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MLB 11 The Show - Overall Team Rankings

02:08 PM - March 1, 2011 by tigertown

Team Overall Rankings

1st Red Sox
2nd Yankees
3rd Giants
4th Rangers
5th Phillies
6th Tigers
7th White Sox
8th Cardinals
9th Rockies
10th Braves
11th Dodgers
12th Reds
13th Rays
14th Jays
15th Brewers
16th A�s
17th Twins
18th Orioles
19th Cubs
20th Padres
21th Mets
22th Marlins
23rd Nationals
24th Angels
25th Diamondbacks
26th Pirates
27th Astros
28th Mariners
29th Indians
30th Royals

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# 121 Mabster @ 03/02/11 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by smearz


	The fact that Uribe was game 6 savior and Renteria was WS MVP is proof that they had the mojo working overtime.

Exactly, they lost nobody of consequence except the two people that gave major contributions to them winning the Series.

# 122 smearz @ 03/02/11 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mabster


	Exactly, they lost nobody of consequence except the two people that gave major contributions to them winning the Series.

So without Uribe and Renteria, you think the Giants will make the playoffs this year?
I'm just saying, they barely snuck in last year. Do Uribe and Renteria make that big of a difference throughout the year? Probably not.

Really, you can't be mad at a game for ranking the World Series champs high on the list.
But if I was a Giants fan, I'd be a little frustrated that the Yankees and Red Sox were ranked higher.

# 123 EnigmaNemesis @ 03/02/11 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by B-Man1985


	Red Sox bullpen is horrible and they didn't upgrade...Yankees have 1 ace...1....forget about their bullpen which will be coming out in the 4th most of the time...

Just curious. Do follow anything outside of Philly baseball? Because that statement is very naive.

# 124 berenjena @ 03/02/11 12:42 PM

Again, the rankings are not based on what teams did last year. They are based on the calculation of ratings of each player on every position on each team.

There is not such rating or attributes as "magic" or "ora".

count on what they did on the Regular Season... Last 3 years.

# 125 berenjena @ 03/02/11 12:46 PM

"Red Sox bullpen is horrible and they didn't upgrade...Yankees have 1 ace...1....forget about their bullpen which will be coming out in the 4th most of the time..." - B-Man1985

and the homer comment of the year goes to...

# 126 smearz @ 03/02/11 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by berenjena


	Again, the rankings are not based on what teams did last year. They are based on the calculation of ratings of each player on every position on each team. There is not such rating or attributes as "magic" or "ora". count on what they did on the Regular Season... Last 3 years.

I get how they rate teams, thanks, but what attribute puts the Giants at a realistic 3rd ranking?
They have a great rotation and bullpen, but team speed, defense, and offense are average at best.
And taking the last three years into consideration, you would think the Giants would fall a lot lower.
So maybe winning the World Series has something to do with them being 3rd?
And with that reasoning, why not just rank them 1st?

# 127 ronzie @ 03/02/11 12:52 PM

The Twins moved back what, 5 spots from last year? The only players the Twins lost is JJ Hardy (who is average at best and didn't have a good ranking in last years game anyway) and they also lost two bullpen pitchers who have been steadily going downhill the past few years. We have a two closers, one who is decent and the other one of the best in the game today. We have Morneau back from injury and before his injury he was doing amazing. We also gained a good infielder in Nishioka from Japan. Other than that, we didn't lose anyone and we finished the AL Central 6 games ahead of Detroit. Wow, talk about getting the shaft.

# 128 smearz @ 03/02/11 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ronzie


	The Twins moved back what, 5 spots from last year? The only players the Twins lost is JJ Hardy (who is average at best and didn't have a good ranking in last years game anyway) and they also lost two bullpen pitchers who have been steadily going downhill the past few years. We have a two closers, one who is decent and the other one of the best in the game today. We have Morneau back from injury and before his injury he was doing amazing. We also gained a good infielder in Nishioka from Japan. Other than that, we didn't lose anyone and we finished the AL Central 6 games ahead of Detroit. Wow, talk about getting the shaft.

Yeah, you guys and Marlins fans should be upset more than anyone else.

# 129 ronzie @ 03/02/11 12:56 PM

Sorry, they finished 6 games ahead of Chicago... Detroit was 13 games back. Go Detroit, I'm sure your ranking is well deserved... *sarcasm implied*

# 130 ronzie @ 03/02/11 01:17 PM

I know how they do the rankings. That's why I am upset. We didn't lose anyone worth mentioning and we had some players improve from previous years plus we added Nishioka, who is a great infielder and a good hitter. The Twins have been consistent the past few years so your argument regarding this is in my opinion is invalid.

# 131 Dog @ 03/02/11 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jd369


	This post is hilarious! Ill give you that Doc and Lee will make it 7 most games, but you are seriously over valuing oswalt who averaged 6.6 innings last year and hamels who was one game over .500 and avereaged 6.3 innings. yeah those 2 are gonna go 7 almost every game. and you think anyone in the league is scared of conteras and madson? ROFL!

Contreras no, Madson yes.

Also, If you are really taking into account Hamels record, the whole post is irrelevant. Felix Hernandez was "one game over .500" too..

# 132 Dogslax41 @ 03/02/11 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by juicer420


	After reading through this thread, it seems to me that the people calling the Giants "over-rated" are fans of the Phillies and Braves or have Socal or LAX in their name. Hmmmm....

It seems like the only ones saying they are not are Giants fans.

I havent seen anyone saying the Giants aren't a good team but I think anyone other than Giants fans and probably even some Giants fans would agree that when ranked on pure talent (which these rankings represent) and not taking into account the intangible "magic" that a team may have or not have from season to season the Giants would not be a top 3 team this year or even honestly at the end of last year despite winning it all.

# 133 Dog @ 03/02/11 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jd369


	felix hernandex plays for the sucky mariners, not the "juggernaut all mighty" philadelphia phillies! and I guess Im not scared of madson cause I usually only see him when he plays the braves. his 6 something ERA against last year isnt all that imposing.

Trust me, Madson is a great setup guy, and will most likely jump ship and be a good closer for another team when his contract ends. And I don't have the stats in front of me, but I'm pretty sure Hamel's average run support was the same if not lower than Felix's. Not saying he is on the same level as Felix, but he certainly isn't as low as you are saying he is.

# 134 Dog @ 03/02/11 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jd369


	And I dont think hamels is a scrub, but he is not an ace, he is a slightly above average pitcher, so this whole "4 aces" thing is a crock. I could tag the braves with the same title if I was as dilusional as some of the phils fans that I read posts on, but I know the braves dont have anywhere close to 4 aces. they do have an excellent pitching staff though, so the "4 aces" fans shouldnt expect to run away with the division this year.

The Phillies top 4 are in the top 22 overall in Pitcher WAR in the entire MLB since 2008.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...on1=2008&ind=0

And in the top 14 overall for WHIP since 2008:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...on1=2008&ind=0

Looks like 4 aces to me.

# 135 Dogslax41 @ 03/02/11 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jd369


	And I dont think hamels is a scrub, but he is not an ace, he is a slightly above average pitcher, so this whole "4 aces" thing is a crock. I could tag the braves with the same title if I was as dilusional as some of the phils fans that I read posts on, but I know the braves dont have anywhere close to 4 aces. they do have an excellent pitching staff though, so the "4 aces" fans shouldnt expect to run away with the division this year.

I think Hamels is a bit more than a slightly better than average pitcher. He is not an ace by any stretch but 80% of teams would love to have him as their #2 let alone their #4. I think that Philly fans are going to miss Werth far more than they think they are. Having that right handed power bat hitting just under .300 and right around 100 RBIs protecting left handed Howard and Utley was a big component of their offense.

# 136 etched Chaos @ 03/02/11 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jd369


	And I dont think hamels is a scrub, but he is not an ace, he is a slightly above average pitcher, so this whole "4 aces" thing is a crock. I could tag the braves with the same title if I was as dilusional as some of the phils fans that I read posts on, but I know the braves dont have anywhere close to 4 aces. they do have an excellent pitching staff though, so the "4 aces" fans shouldnt expect to run away with the division this year.

Um, what? You do realise that last year Hamels was 7th for WAR for pitchers, not to mention he was top ten for alot of his peripherals. If he was a Brave (thank god he isn't) he'd be your defacto ace and you'd be shouting it from the rooftops.

# 137 Dog @ 03/02/11 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jd369


	That list shows exactly why this WAR "stat" is stupid. It only values how good you are based on who would replace you if you went down. It does nothing to show actual value to the overall game. Wandy Rodriguez has a higher WAR than Chris Carpenter. going by this "stat" would mean that Wandy would be more sought after than Carpenter if both were on the market.

So what is your defense of the WHIP leaders then?

# 138 smearz @ 03/02/11 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jd369


	That list shows exactly why this WAR "stat" is stupid. It only values how good you are based on who would replace you if you went down. It does nothing to show actual value to the overall game. Wandy Rodriguez has a higher WAR than Chris Carpenter. going by this "stat" would mean that Wandy would be more sought after than Carpenter if both were on the market.

JD, you seem like a bitter Braves fan. What happened last year when the Braves came into Philly with a chance to close the gap and try to take back first place? And in the first game of the series, what happened against Cole Hamels? How 'bout 1 run on 6 hits in 8 innings. And Hamels won his 5th straight start, all while allowing 1 run or fewer and going at least 6 innings in those 5 starts. That doesn't sound slightly above average to me.

# 139 Dog @ 03/02/11 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jd369


	see my above post about WAR, its a useless "stat". Tim hudson is the braves ace, he would be even if hamels was a brave, which I also thank god he is not. hudson last year was more comparable to halladay than he was hamels, the only thing he lacks is he is not a high strikeout pitcher.

So let's use WHIP -

Whoa, looks like Hamels has a lower WHIP than Hudson every year

..And a lower opposing AVG

..And a much higher K/9 IP

Pretty comparable ERA, though..

# 140 etched Chaos @ 03/02/11 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jd369


	see my above post about WAR, its a useless "stat". Tim hudson is the braves ace, he would be even if hamels was a brave, which I also thank god he is not. hudson last year was more comparable to halladay than he was hamels, the only thing he lacks is he is not a high strikeout pitcher.

Useless how? Its useless because it doesn't skew to your opinion? WAR is a great way to outline the complete contrbution of a player to a team, it doesn't tell a false story likes wins which rely on variables the pitcher cannot control or has no bearing on (run support is the main example).

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