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MLB 11 The Show - Overall Team Rankings

03:08 PM - March 1, 2011 by tigertown

Team Overall Rankings

1st Red Sox
2nd Yankees
3rd Giants
4th Rangers
5th Phillies
6th Tigers
7th White Sox
8th Cardinals
9th Rockies
10th Braves
11th Dodgers
12th Reds
13th Rays
14th Jays
15th Brewers
16th A�s
17th Twins
18th Orioles
19th Cubs
20th Padres
21th Mets
22th Marlins
23rd Nationals
24th Angels
25th Diamondbacks
26th Pirates
27th Astros
28th Mariners
29th Indians
30th Royals

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# 61 BatsareBugs @ 03/01/11 07:13 PM

How exactly are the Giants over-rated? I don't have the game in front of me but I can guess their overalls and see why they would be considered "very good".

Starting 5:
Tim Lincecum A+
Matt Cain A
Jonathan Sanchez B+
Madison Bumgarner B
Barry Zito B

Bullpen:
Brian Wilson A+
Sergio Romo B
Dan Runzler B
Javier Lopez B-
Ramon Ramirez B-
Jeremy Affeldt C+
Santiago Casilla C

Position Players:
Buster Posey A-
Pablo Sandoval A-
Aubrey Huff B+
Andres Torres B
Freddy Sanchez B
Cody Ross B
Aaron Rowand B-
Pat Burrell B-
Mark DeRosa C+
Travis Ishikawa C+
Miguel Tejada C+
Eli Whiteside C-

I don't see a team with a lot "stand-outs" at the position player side of things, but rarely do you get a team that can field players in the B-range overall. You can disagree with me and think that because of the lack of A's and the presence of C's should lower them, but I guarantee other teams ranked around them have similar if not bigger holes.

*Overall takes the last three years, weighted.

# 62 BatsareBugs @ 03/01/11 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Goose26


	Apparently someone at SCEA had a bad experience at a Twins game or something, because the 17 ranking is ludicrous. They are ARGUABLY the favorite to win the AL Central again, and lost nothing but a couple of bullpen guys, which was somewhat offset by getting Joe Nathan back this spring. There is no reason they should be ranked outside of the top 10.

Yay, there's complete bias against the Twins, that's why they don't have a Twin on the cover. Oh wait.

# 63 dickey1331 @ 03/01/11 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Socalbias


	Not to sound like a prick because I do agree with you, but then im disappointed with the attribute's of the angels. Extremely under-rated, and im not saying that because I am a fan. Its plain obvious on who is coming back from injury and who we acquired in the offseason. Rangers lose Lee & Harden (two allstars) and get an injured brandon webb and they are so high.

lol Harden didnt do anything last year. We also got Beltre who is much better defensively than young and a very good hitter.

# 64 BatsareBugs @ 03/01/11 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dickey1331


	lol Harden didnt do anything last year.

Harden = Webb. Brandon Webb was a premier pitcher pitching in an extreme hitter's park for his career. He'll definitely be a B at worse.

# 65 Mabster @ 03/01/11 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rag3vsW0rld


	Yay, there's complete bias against the Twins, that's why they don't have a Twin on the cover. Oh wait.

Well played.

# 66 Vanman2425 @ 03/01/11 07:24 PM

The Twins pitching staff is very sketchy. They have two number 2 starters and 3 back of the rotation guys, on most good teams. They lost 4 guys in the bullpen that they have to replace, and Nathan is 38 coming off Tommy John and is not a lock by any means to return to form at that age. I don't think their ranking is that out of line.

# 67 dickey1331 @ 03/01/11 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rag3vsW0rld


	Harden = Webb. Brandon Webb was a premier pitcher pitching in an extreme hitter's park for his career. He'll definitely be a B at worse.

I'd take Webb over Harden and I think he will be much better then what Harden did last year.

# 68 brinks @ 03/01/11 07:29 PM

On the topic of the Giants, what the heck happened to Pablo Sandaval last season? Good God, he was bad. I don't know how you develop a rating for a guy like that. He goes from a true plus hitter and below average defender, to an average hitter and an average defender.

# 69 bwiggy33 @ 03/01/11 07:29 PM

I have no problem with the Twins being that low. That's what happens every year. Then come time when they actually play the games instead of looking at them on paper, they always find a way to win the Central. IMO the reason for the low rating in The Show is Joe Mauer is the only superstar on the team. Morneau is close to Superstar but since he got hurt last year I'm sure the ratings are a little low for him. The Twins pitching staff lacks a glorified ace. Pavano and Liriano are really good pitchers but are not superstars like Lincecum, Lee, Halladay etc. Then there is a pretty big drop off from those two. Duensing, Baker, Blackburn, and Slowey are all mysteries. You never really know what your going to get. Duensing pitched great last year but it doesn't mean he will be the same this year. Overall 17 is a little low for the Twins but I honestly think their roster on paper doesn't look that great. If there was a rating in The Show for "getting the job done" the Twins would probabaly be somewhere in the top 5 overall.

On a side note I've always wondered who on the Twins roster scares a fan of another team. Of course this excludes Mauer and Morneau. I've just really never thought of anyone on the Twins roster being scary to face except for those two.

# 70 Raskal @ 03/01/11 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by brinks


	On the topic of the Giants, what the heck happened to Pablo Sandaval last season? Good God, he was bad. I don't know how you develop a rating for a guy like that. He goes from a true plus hitter and below average defender, to an average hitter and an average defender.

He had a divorce and was over weight. All signs point to a good bounce back year, we'll see.

# 71 berenjena @ 03/01/11 07:34 PM

I'm sure the cpu does the team ratings according to each player attributes on the entire team, so it doesn't matter if your team made the playoff last season or blah blah blah.

my only gripe are the angels? why are they so low?

the rangers are sweeping the floor with them in Franchise/season mode.

# 72 tyler289 @ 03/01/11 07:36 PM

How are the Marlins lower than the Mets? The Mets and Nats will be fighting for 5th place all year long.

# 73 bellz666 @ 03/01/11 07:44 PM

No way the Rangers rate higher than the Phils....and I HATE the Phils.

# 74 pittsburgher86 @ 03/01/11 07:50 PM

26 for my Pittsburgh Pirates!! Thats exciting! lol. So, yes, this list looks good for the most part. The Tigers may be too high though. Now all I need is to see the top ten at each position and I will be happy. Tuesday can't get here fast enough.

# 75 Socalbias @ 03/01/11 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by berenjena


	I sure the cpu does the team ratings according to each player attributes on the entire team, so it doesn't matter if your team made the playoff last season or blah blah blah. my only gripe are the angels? why are they so low? the rangers are sweeping the floor with them in Franchise/season mode.

I totally agree. Can someone please tell me how the Orioles, Cubs, Padres, Mets, Marlins & Nationals are better than them?

I understand the twins, A's and everyone higher being able to argue for being above the angels but COMMON!! really?

# 76 BatsareBugs @ 03/01/11 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler289


	How are the Marlins lower than the Mets? The Mets and Nats will be fighting for 5th place all year long.

Marlins vs. Mets
Position-by-Position

Starters:
C: Buck B > Thole C+
1B: G. Sanchez B = Davis B
2B: Infante B > Castillo B-
SS: Ramirez A+ > Reyes A-
3B: Dominguez C < Wright A+
LF: Morrison C+ < Bay B
CF: Coghlan B = Beltran B
RF: Stanton B- < Pagan B

Marlins
Bench:
C: Baker C
1B: Helms C+
2B: Bonifacio C+
OF: Peterson C
OF: Cousins C

Mets
C: Paulino C
1B: Murphy C+
SS: Hernandez C
OF: Hairston C+
OF: Duda C

Rotation:
Marlins:
1. Johnson A
2. Nolasco B
3. Vasquez B
4. A. Sanchez B
5. Volstad C+

Mets:
1. Santana B+
2. Pelfrey B-
3. Niese C+
4. Dickey C+
5. Mejia C+

Bullpen:
Marlins:
1. Nunez A-
2. Hensley B+
3. Webb B-
4. Choate C+
5. Mujica C+
6. Dunn C
7. Badenhop C-

Mets:
1. Rodriguez A
2. Acosta B
3. Parnell B-
4. Carrasco B-
5. Misch C+
6. Buchholz C
7. Perez C-

The Marlins have the better upcoming young talent, but they've yet to reach their potenial. The Mets currently have a better starting 8. The benchs and bullpens are even, but the Marlins obviously have a better rotation.

# 77 DJ @ 03/01/11 08:00 PM

For the most part I'd say the ratings are good. Nice to see the Rockies in the Top-10 and the Mets are properly (tough to swallow, I know Knight) rated at 21st, and that could be lower after the Opening Day rosters are released and Santana is off the roster.

I think Houston is underrated, though.

# 78 Dogslax41 @ 03/01/11 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rag3vsW0rld


	How exactly are the Giants over-rated? I don't have the game in front of me but I can guess their overalls and see why they would be considered "very good". I don't see a team with a lot "stand-outs" at the position player side of things, but rarely do you get a team that can field players in the B-range overall. You can disagree with me and think that because of the lack of A's and the presence of C's should lower them, but I guarantee other teams ranked around them have similar if not bigger holes. *Overall takes the last three years, weighted.

Exactly...all the reasons that you just listed are why I said it seemed in my opinion like they are slightly over rated.

Also I think that some of your predictions are a bit high. Zito a B...maybe 3 years ago. Posey and Sandoval may be A prospects but havent done near enough the last two years to warrant A-. Posey may be close but Sandoval no way. Posey hasnt even had a full year yet, it was close getting 400 ABs but still didnt sniff the RBI totals you woudl expect from an A-. SAndoval had one strong year and one (last year) lukewarm. Ross a B...only in the playoffs last year (he is a mid 250s hitter that will stretch to get 50 RBIs again. Not saying these guys arent good but the real reason some of these seem high is because if Posey and Sandoval are A-s then Pujols couldn't even be listed on the scale.

#3 is not a spot for a "Very Good" team given the Rangers and Phils are below them. I would have put the Giants in with teams 5-8. Like I said at #3 in my opinion they are overrated.

# 79 BatsareBugs @ 03/01/11 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogslax41


	Exactly...all the reasons that you just listed are why I said it seemed in my opinion like they are slightly over rated. Also I think that some of your predictions are a bit high. Zito a B...maybe 3 years ago.

Okay, Zito is a B-, 9-12, 4.15 ERA, 1.34 WHIP. He's not as bad as most fifth starters and probably better than Joe Blanton. You're severely underrating him if you think otherwise.

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	Posey and Sandoval may be A prospects but havent done near enough the last two years to warrant A-. Posey may be close but Sandoval no way. Posey hasnt even had a full year yet, it was close getting 400 ABs but still didnt sniff the RBI totals you woudl expect from an A-. SAndoval had one strong year and one (last year) lukewarm.

They are no longer prospects, but you're severely over-rating one year's effect on a player. Sandoval was arguably one of the best hitters coming out of the NL West. One year does not drop him from an A- to a B- or whatever. RBIs is a poor measure of a player's overall, considering that clutch as a rating does not affect overall as much as contact or power. As for Posey, sure you think he's rated too high too early, but that didn't stop SCEA's rating system from giving Matt Wieters that treatment a year earlier. At least Posey has proven his rating.

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	Ross a B...only in the playoffs last year (he is a mid 250s hitter that will stretch to get 50 RBIs again. Not saying these guys arent good but the real reason some of these seem high is because if Posey and Sandoval are A-s then Pujols couldn't even be listed on the scale.

Pujols is a sure fire A+, no argument and irrelevant. Ross maybe Ross is a B-. Like I said, I don't have the game in front of me, but before last season Ross was a average hitter with good power.

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	#3 is not a spot for a "Very Good" team given the Rangers and Phils are below them. I would have put the Giants in with teams 5-8. Like I said at #3 in my opinion they are overrated.

That's your opinion. Frankly, it's pointless to argue about this because you'll have people editing their own rosters anyways. You edit one player and it affects that team's ranking in comparison to other teams.The Rangers lost Cliff Lee to the Phillies. Both teams have tremendous offensive talent, but both teams bullpens don't match up with San Francisco. The Phillies have the best rotation of the three.

Whatever, everyone already has their pitchforks and will ignore any objectivity.

# 80 WatchdogXC @ 03/01/11 08:20 PM

I agree with what was stated earlier that the Twins should be a little higher. I would not be surprised at all to see them win the AL Central again. I knew my Indians would be low, but I didn't think they'd be that low! haha I got my work cut out for me.

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