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FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

02:46 PM - January 24, 2011 by RaychelSnr

I recentely sat down for a talk with FBGRatings.com's Dan Berens to discuss his site's vision and what's going on over there today. The site is currently working on getting accurate ratings for every player using real hard data converted into the Madden ratings universe. Dan claims that when these numbers are plugged into the game, it plays much better and much closer to real life. Check out the interview below and also check out Dan's website to see what he's got going on!

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# 261 Argooos @ 07/29/11 05:10 PM

I think people are too used to ratings where the ratings scale is self-contained with in each position. Like the guy who thought Vick should be a 99 speed because he is the fastest QB. It's so refreshing to have ratings that are actually realistic, but it's going to take some people some time to get used to.

# 262 jorge380 @ 07/29/11 05:17 PM

Will you have ratings for old players?

# 263 chickenhed @ 07/29/11 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Argooos


	I think people are too used to ratings where the ratings scale is self-contained with in each position. Like the guy who thought Vick should be a 99 speed because he is the fastest QB. It's so refreshing to have ratings that are actually realistic, but it's going to take some people some time to get used to.

I agree with that completely. I wasn't comparing peterson to an offensive lineman. My comparison, for comparison's sake that is, was to jones-drew mainly. At the very least, I would think Peterson is one of the physically stronger RBs in the league, and seeing Jones-drew have more str than him seemed odd thats all.

Same goes for his stiff arm and trucking. Both, to me as a casual fan, would seem to me that peterson would have the edge. But to each his own!

# 264 iBlievN5 @ 07/29/11 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	It has more to do with CTH ability. Just because Hall has more INT's does not always mean he has better hands. Hall has played in more games as a starter and has had more opportunities, thus more INTs.

No, really Carlos Rogers is known for his startling ability to drop balls. See: Colts game last year... or nearly any game he's ever played. Hall has good hands, which is why he has more picks.

# 265 ltzraymond @ 07/29/11 07:54 PM

Terrell Thomas is a far better player than Aaron Ross, yet Thomas is a 76 while Ross is a 77. What's up with that?

# 266 DCEBB2001 @ 07/29/11 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jorge380


	Will you have ratings for old players?

No sorry this is for current players only.

# 267 DCEBB2001 @ 07/29/11 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chickenhed


	I agree with that completely. I wasn't comparing peterson to an offensive lineman. My comparison, for comparison's sake that is, was to jones-drew mainly. At the very least, I would think Peterson is one of the physically stronger RBs in the league, and seeing Jones-drew have more str than him seemed odd thats all. Same goes for his stiff arm and trucking. Both, to me as a casual fan, would seem to me that peterson would have the edge. But to each his own!

I guess all you need to see is this vid for that Jones-Drew vs. Peterson STR issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvUEgjqKLFA

He's 5-07 and 208 and is far more compact and is built like a brick. Peterson is strong, but a bit more strung out. Drew is like a human wrecking ball.

# 268 DCEBB2001 @ 07/29/11 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by iBlievN5


	No, really Carlos Rogers is known for his startling ability to drop balls. See: Colts game last year... or nearly any game he's ever played. Hall has good hands, which is why he has more picks.

You are going to have to back that statement up with some evidence before buy it. Do you have video that shows all of his dropped INTs? Or stats for it?

Getting picks is more than just having good hands. It's also about being in position to outplay a WR and get to the ball. Could be a factor in this case.

# 269 DCEBB2001 @ 07/29/11 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ltzraymond


	Terrell Thomas is a far better player than Aaron Ross, yet Thomas is a 76 while Ross is a 77. What's up with that?

Opinion. Back it up with some evidence. Thomas plays RCB and Ross is the backup LCB so they play different positions. In addition, Ross is the better technical player with better man coverage abilities. Thomas plays too far off of receivers which allows him to cleanly get beaten on receptions. As a nickle DB, Ross only allowed one TD all season, coming off of an early foot injury. And remember, sometimes the best players don't always start...just a fact of football.

# 270 garret2 @ 07/29/11 08:54 PM

dcebb, do you have the scale available that you use to assign position specific skill ratings? for example, if ronde barber is hypothetically average in man coverage but above average in zone coverage, what ratings would he get in those two categories (ex: 70-80 in man and 80-90 in zone)? basically, do you have the template that shows what position specific ratings you would consider "average" for each position?

# 271 sebennayx @ 07/29/11 09:03 PM

I've been watching this develop for a while now, and I love the work! It really is fantastic to see this all developing, and can't thank you enough for the work you put in.

That said...why are Asomugha and Revis' Juke ratings (90) considered "elite", and 5 points higher than Adrian Peterson (85)?

# 272 LHSLax_D24 @ 07/29/11 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	It has more to do with CTH ability. Just because Hall has more INT's does not always mean he has better hands. Hall has played in more games as a starter and has had more opportunities, thus more INTs.

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Originally Posted by iBlievN5


	No, really Carlos Rogers is known for his startling ability to drop balls. See: Colts game last year... or nearly any game he's ever played. Hall has good hands, which is why he has more picks.

iBlievN5 has got it right. Trust me, I've watched every 'Skins game for at least the 3 years and Rogers cannot catch.

# 273 DCEBB2001 @ 07/29/11 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by garret2


	dcebb, do you have the scale available that you use to assign position specific skill ratings? for example, if ronde barber is hypothetically average in man coverage but above average in zone coverage, what ratings would he get in those two categories (ex: 70-80 in man and 80-90 in zone)? basically, do you have the template that shows what position specific ratings you would consider "average" for each position?

There is a template, but it is not publicly available.

# 274 LHSLax_D24 @ 07/29/11 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	You are going to have to back that statement up with some evidence before buy it. Do you have video that shows all of his dropped INTs? Or stats for it? Getting picks is more than just having good hands. It's also about being in position to outplay a WR and get to the ball. Could be a factor in this case.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...-dropped-picks

I appreciate your work. I really do, but I just feel Rogers' catch rating is too high (or Hall's is too low

# 275 DCEBB2001 @ 07/29/11 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sebennayx


	I've been watching this develop for a while now, and I love the work! It really is fantastic to see this all developing, and can't thank you enough for the work you put in. That said...why are Asomugha and Revis' Juke ratings (90) considered "elite", and 5 points higher than Adrian Peterson (85)?

Because those two CBs are great hip swivel. Peterson is a bit more linear of a runner and does not require the COD that those two CBs have shown in coverage or when returning INTs or kicks. Look at Peterson's AGI rating based off of the cone drill. He does not have elite hips.

# 276 DCEBB2001 @ 07/29/11 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LHSLax_D24


	http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...-dropped-picks

A good article, but the scouting data disagrees for now. We'll see if anything changes.

# 277 DCEBB2001 @ 07/29/11 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LHSLax_D24


	iBlievN5 has got it right. Trust me, I've watched every 'Skins game for at least the 3 years and Rogers cannot catch.

My data disagrees...

# 278 LHSLax_D24 @ 07/29/11 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	My data disagrees...

Okay, fine. I respect that. And I really appreciate your work!

# 279 DCEBB2001 @ 07/29/11 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LHSLax_D24


	Okay, fine. I respect that. And I really appreciate your work!

Please keep in mind that all the position specific ratings are preliminary...which you would have known if you would have read a few pages back when I first posted the scouting data being added to the site. All these numbers will change.

# 280 sebennayx @ 07/29/11 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	Because those two CBs are great hip swivel. Peterson is a bit more linear of a runner and does not require the COD that those two CBs have shown in coverage or when returning INTs or kicks. Look at Peterson's AGI rating based off of the cone drill. He does not have elite hips.

I don't doubt that agility or hip swivel is involved, however Agility is a different stat than Juke Move. Chad Greenway has a higher agility than AD, but if you saw his interception a couple years back when he hilariously attempted a Juke Move on the defenders before bringing him down, it becomes clear the Juke Move is not his forte (and probably why his Juke is so low!). I'm not sure what more goes into the particular skill ratings, I just don't understand how a corner (elite in his job) has an "elite" number, and a significantly higher number, in a category that AD has shown in highlight reel after highlight reel.

Thanks for the quick reply btw.

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