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FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

02:46 PM - January 24, 2011 by RaychelSnr

I recentely sat down for a talk with FBGRatings.com's Dan Berens to discuss his site's vision and what's going on over there today. The site is currently working on getting accurate ratings for every player using real hard data converted into the Madden ratings universe. Dan claims that when these numbers are plugged into the game, it plays much better and much closer to real life. Check out the interview below and also check out Dan's website to see what he's got going on!

Interview with Berens on the OS Radio Show on BlogTalkRadio

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# 241 DCEBB2001 @ 07/25/11 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Argooos


	I completely agree. My only concern was that your ratings would be of no use to me as a franchise player. Now I see that the only problem will be that the pre-made draft class players will have some over-inflated stats, yet will be on par with everyone else in terms of their overall rating.

These ratings do offer a different distribution for the OVR rating and the raw attributes (SPD, ACC, AGI, JMP, STR). However, the other ratings are roughly proportional to what Madden offers, so it will play somewhat differently.

# 242 garret2 @ 07/25/11 07:58 PM

are the player's raw, ability ratings strictly tied to combine performance results, like the ones on nfldraftscout.com? thanks!

# 243 DCEBB2001 @ 07/25/11 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by garret2


	are the player's raw, ability ratings strictly tied to combine performance results, like the ones on nfldraftscout.com? thanks!

Yes. In fact, the owners of NFLDS also power my site.

# 244 garret2 @ 07/25/11 11:53 PM

which lifts do you use to calculate strength? just wondering, thanks and great job with the site it looks excellent!!

# 245 DCEBB2001 @ 07/26/11 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by garret2


	which lifts do you use to calculate strength? just wondering, thanks and great job with the site it looks excellent!!

Overall STR is tough to calculate by certain lifts alone. The bench test is more a measure of muscular endurance than a one-rep max test. Fortunetly, I have the 1RMs for bench and squat for most players in the league. Even that does not offer a good enough view at STR though because some players use it differently. Look at Ks and Ps for example. They won't bench a ton, but I guarantee they can out lift some skill players and even have superior leg strength. So I use some different measures to calculate the STR ratings.

# 246 menglish20 @ 07/27/11 11:46 PM

Well, most of the important attributes are up, so I decided to re-rate the Eagles and play around in practice. And I must say, the game plays noticeably smoother. The biggest difference is blocking, especially downfield, and route-running. Everything feels realer. I was a little skeptical when I looked at the OVRs posted on the site. They actually don't reflect the calculated OVRs in Madden (making them not matter, which they shouldn't). I just want to say bravo, and I look forward to trying these in Madden 12.

# 247 DCEBB2001 @ 07/28/11 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by menglish20


	Well, most of the important attributes are up, so I decided to re-rate the Eagles and play around in practice. And I must say, the game plays noticeably smoother. The biggest difference is blocking, especially downfield, and route-running. Everything feels realer. I was a little skeptical when I looked at the OVRs posted on the site. They actually don't reflect the calculated OVRs in Madden (making them not matter, which they shouldn't). I just want to say bravo, and I look forward to trying these in Madden 12.

Yeah those are all preliminary ratings based on scouting data. The attributes will match the overall ratings soon. Glad you enjoy the ratings.

# 248 garret2 @ 07/28/11 01:12 AM

why santana moss only a 61 at catching? thats worse than many running backs. does your scouting data really say his hands are that poor? thanks!

# 249 DCEBB2001 @ 07/28/11 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by garret2


	why santana moss only a 61 at catching? thats worse than many running backs. does your scouting data really say his hands are that poor? thanks!

Yes. The mundane use of his hands is very poor. Think of that not as an overall catch rating, but rather, the mundane use of hands when catching. Once again, these are preliminary, and will be adjusted so don't freak out just yet.

# 250 Argooos @ 07/28/11 01:31 PM

So, I just read through the entire thread (it took a while), and I have to say you're doing some amazing work. Also, I would like to commend you on your incredible patience with some of the comments you have received. You've given people really in-depth and thoughtful answers. Good job sir.

The more I read the more excited I became at the possibility of using these ratings in the next edition of Madden. I will probably try to work out a system for giving new ratings to the rookies as well to make them fit with your system.

I have to say, I am really impressed that you have ratings for a guy like Andy Fantuz, who has never played a single down of professional American football. Ever year I create the Toronto Argonauts, and your website is going to make it so much easier, since you have ratings for half the Argos roster already!

I for one would be fully in favor of a campaign to replace Donny Moore with Dan Berens as the new Ratings Czar

# 251 garret2 @ 07/28/11 07:19 PM

will the player's speeds always be based off their combine 40 time or will they be adjusted closer to "on field" speeds? for example carson palmer is a 78 speed while anquan bolden is a 75.

# 252 Argooos @ 07/28/11 07:22 PM

I believe he uses a combination of 40 times and scouting data to assign speed ratings, but I may be wrong - it might just be 40 times.

# 253 Playmakers @ 07/28/11 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Argooos


	So, I just read through the entire thread (it took a while), and I have to say you're doing some amazing work. Also, I would like to commend you on your incredible patience with some of the comments you have received. You've given people really in-depth and thoughtful answers. Good job sir. The more I read the more excited I became at the possibility of using these ratings in the next edition of Madden. I will probably try to work out a system for giving new ratings to the rookies as well to make them fit with your system. I have to say, I am really impressed that you have ratings for a guy like Andy Fantuz, who has never played a single down of professional American football. Ever year I create the Toronto Argonauts, and your website is going to make it so much easier, since you have ratings for half the Argos roster already! I for one would be fully in favor of a campaign to replace Donny Moore with Dan Berens as the new Ratings Czar

I have had great success with his physical ratings for some of these players in NCAA Football for Classic rosters

I didn't realize he was now inputting skill ratings for most players so i will give those a try aswell and see how they translate to EA's college game.

gameplay is off the hook from what i've seen using this as a base formula for myself....players are truly seperated in abilities and tendencies more now.

# 254 DCEBB2001 @ 07/28/11 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Argooos


	I believe he uses a combination of 40 times and scouting data to assign speed ratings, but I may be wrong - it might just be 40 times.

Correct. Thanks for actually READING THE THREAD!!!

# 255 DCEBB2001 @ 07/28/11 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Argooos


	So, I just read through the entire thread (it took a while), and I have to say you're doing some amazing work. Also, I would like to commend you on your incredible patience with some of the comments you have received. You've given people really in-depth and thoughtful answers. Good job sir. The more I read the more excited I became at the possibility of using these ratings in the next edition of Madden. I will probably try to work out a system for giving new ratings to the rookies as well to make them fit with your system. I have to say, I am really impressed that you have ratings for a guy like Andy Fantuz, who has never played a single down of professional American football. Ever year I create the Toronto Argonauts, and your website is going to make it so much easier, since you have ratings for half the Argos roster already! I for one would be fully in favor of a campaign to replace Donny Moore with Dan Berens as the new Ratings Czar

I cannot thank you enough! Please pass the word on!!!

# 256 DCEBB2001 @ 07/28/11 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Playmakers


	I have had great success with his physical ratings for some of these players in NCAA Football for Classic rosters I didn't realize he was now inputting skill ratings for most players so i will give those a try aswell and see how they translate to EA's college game. gameplay is off the hook from what i've seen using this as a base formula for myself....players are truly seperated in abilities and tendencies more now.

Let me know how that gameplay goes. I would appreciate an in-depth analysis of how it goes so I can make further adjustments if necessary.

# 257 LHSLax_D24 @ 07/29/11 04:06 AM

Why does Carlos Rogers have a 52 catch rating while DeAngelo Hall's is only 44. Rogers can't catch anything to save his life, but Hall catches everything possible.

# 258 DCEBB2001 @ 07/29/11 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by LHSLax_D24


	Why does Carlos Rogers have a 52 catch rating while DeAngelo Hall's is only 44. Rogers can't catch anything to save his life, but Hall catches everything possible.

It has more to do with CTH ability. Just because Hall has more INT's does not always mean he has better hands. Hall has played in more games as a starter and has had more opportunities, thus more INTs.

# 259 chickenhed @ 07/29/11 03:05 PM

I'm having a blast reading through your ratings. They look great! I must admit, I think you may have underrated Adrian Peterson a bit. I agree that he's overrated in the madden franchise, but, for example, I think hes stronger than a 65. I realize you get that number from his combine and pro days, but still. It just feels wrong, the man is huge!

I also think his vision, stiff arm, and trucking should be at least equal to jones-drew.

Either way, I'm just nit picking for the fun of it and to bring up conversation. The ratings are great!

# 260 DCEBB2001 @ 07/29/11 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chickenhed


	I'm having a blast reading through your ratings. They look great! I must admit, I think you may have underrated Adrian Peterson a bit. I agree that he's overrated in the madden franchise, but, for example, I think hes stronger than a 65. I realize you get that number from his combine and pro days, but still. It just feels wrong, the man is huge! I also think his vision, stiff arm, and trucking should be at least equal to jones-drew. Either way, I'm just nit picking for the fun of it and to bring up conversation. The ratings are great!

Is he HUGE compared to an OL that is 6-6, 350? Probably not. He is still only 6-1 220ish and is strong FOR HIS SIZE AND BODY FRAME. He doesn't squat 700+ like some OL/DL so he will not have an STR rating that warrants such a high STR rating. If he was 6-5, 330, then I would up his STR, but since he isn't, he seems about right for this system.

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