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F1 2010 Impressions (PS3, 360, PC)

11:54 AM - September 21, 2010 by bluengold34_OS

With today being the North American release date (and Steam ), lets use this topic for impressions for all 3 platforms. Please limit this to impressions and questions about the game.

UPDATE: Apparently the console version is not being released until tomorrow or even as late as Thursday for some. For those who purchased the PC version off of steam, it has been released and will be unlocked within 2.5 hours to play. I have the game already downloaded on my system, just waiting for the unlock. I will do my best with impressions as soon as the game is unlocked on my PC.

Game: F1 2010Reader Score: 8.5/10 - Vote Now
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# 281 bluengold34_OS @ 09/29/10 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lakers 24/7


	The game is a lot of fun online, but unfortunately it doesn't seem populated at all. I've yet to get a race with anymore than 6 drivers. I don't get it because a lot of the bugs are strictly SP issues, so you'd think a lot of people would be racing MP instead.

I think all people see are the negative post about the game, and that has a lot of people holding off on buying the game until they see what type of patch CM releases. It's doing pretty well as far as sales go, but I think it would have done a lot better had the game not had so many issues obviously. This title may not be perfect right now, but if they patch it correctly, you will see a lot of people coming back to it.

PC version

Once they patch it, and you start seeing these incredible mods rolling out, you will start to see a large community racing this title. I am literally blown away by the mods out already( yes I keep talking about them ) and it will only get better.

# 282 BIG CAROLINA @ 09/29/10 10:07 PM

Hey Lakers 24/7 What platform are you on? If you are on the 360 leave me your GT so I can link up with you online or anyone else who plays on the 360 can add me or leave your GT here.

On a different note, this game is far from unplayable...One thing I have learned is to stay away from the Codemaster forums(that place is one big negative mess right now).

It seems like guys are just looking for the bugs instead of finding ways to enjoy it (especially if you plan on keeping the game).

# 283 lnin0 @ 09/29/10 11:51 PM

I'd be up for some online although I am horrible

360 :: Lnin0

# 284 slimm31 @ 09/29/10 11:52 PM

Im playing on the 360 and unless it has something to do with the length of the races, i havent seen most of the bugs mentioned. Are they mostly for PC or am i not racing long enough. I race on 30-50% in career. I have seen plenty of AI crashes, i have seen sector times during races, and i have not had the pit stop bug happen to me ....yet lol. Just wondering if maybe they rushed one version and not the other??

# 285 Sundown2600 @ 09/30/10 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Lakers 24/7


	NCAA 11 feels even more rushed and flawed IMO. Can't play a football game in which the defense is nonexistent among all of the other issues. You say there's no strategy in F1, but there's no strategy in NCAA either because the AI play calling is so terrible. You're also very restricted in what you can do strategy wise anyway. No shells, no shading inside/outside, no matchup assignments, can't bluff formations, etc. But, hey people still enjoy that appearantly, so the same can be said for F1 2010, it's all a matter of perspective.

Point taken but NCAA has been patched several times and the slider adjustments help it out a lot. There are issues on defense especially with zone coverage, but it's hard compare some of those issues with the issues in F1 2010.

*AI cars not pitting. I mean come on seriously.

*AI cars not fully affected by fuel sim in less than 100% races distances.
(ex: only 50% fuel at 50% race distance while the user is scaled at 100%)

*Incorrect sector times. (In F1 time is everything. In any form of motor sport tbh)

* AI rubber banding. (I've seen it)

Just the AI cars not pitting is comparable to the fatigue glitch in NCAA 10 last year. That was a game killer for me so I guess your right about a matter of perspective. Maybe I'm more anal about F1 and you would be more so about football who knows.

And it's not a coincidence that most of the ppl who are really loving this game are playing a lot online. More power to them and I'm happy that they are enjoying the title. I just refuse to bust my tail for whatever race distance I choose to race and have the car I've been fighting with the whole time decide not to pit for new tires without paying a penalty. That's not F1. I'm optimistic about the patch but I feel I have the right to voice my disappointment.

# 286 bluengold34_OS @ 09/30/10 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundown2600


	I'm optimistic about the patch but I feel I have the right to voice my disappointment.

Absolutely you do, thats what these forums are for bro. You shouldn't feel the need to apologize about being upset towards the game. It's not like your being belligerent or rude towards other people....you just have real issues with the game.

No worries!

# 287 Kully @ 09/30/10 10:13 AM

Looks like the realistic sun mod is out: http://www.virtualr.net/f1-2010-real...-1-0-released/

# 288 bluengold34_OS @ 09/30/10 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kully


	Looks like the realistic sun mod is out: http://www.virtualr.net/f1-2010-real...-1-0-released/

Thanks Kully, this is one of the mod's that I have been waiting to hit. This guy did a great job on this!

# 289 BIG CAROLINA @ 09/30/10 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bluengold34_OS


	Absolutely you do, thats what these forums are for bro. You shouldn't feel the need to apologize about being upset towards the game. It's not like your being belligerent or rude towards other people....you just have real issues with the game. No worries!

Thank you for saying that blue. Some tend to forget that with an impression forum there will be positive and negative impressions. No one is trying to make others not enjoy a game by giving a negative opinion (I see that alot in the Show forums) of a game, they are stating how they feel about it that is all.

# 290 Chaos81 @ 09/30/10 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kully


	Looks like the realistic sun mod is out: http://www.virtualr.net/f1-2010-real...-1-0-released/

That looks so much better in my opinion. I got jumped on on another forum prior to release for saying I didn't like how the game looked. Guess I'm not the only one who felt that way with all the visual mods.

Thanks for the link. I'm currently waiting on the patch, but it's nice to know that something like this will be avaliable for when that happens.

# 291 RunN1st @ 09/30/10 01:36 PM

PC Version:

Bob and I jumped in last night to try an online race and he was getting horrible lag. We tried about 4 different times to race but decided to quit out and jumped on rFactor F1 to get our fix!

Seems that online is a bit spotty. We've had nights where everything is fine and nights such as last night, where folks simply drop out because of the unbearable lag.

What's weird is that I've even seen lag when racing offline against ghosts in Time Trial mode. It's not a big deal to have lag against ghosts since collisions are off but it seems weird to have lag when racing against a ghost.

# 292 Sundown2600 @ 09/30/10 03:43 PM

Apparently Codemasters have issued a statement in response to consumer concerns about the game.

Hi everyone.

As you are aware work is on-going towards a patch for the game, and we will release details on this as we move through the patch creation process. Your constructive feedback has been invaluable in helping us both identify and work to resolve issues with the game, and we appreciate your detailed posts.

Some of the identified issues have led (understandably) to people making assumptions about the game that are not accurate, so we felt that in order to reassure you and explain better the process which we are going through at the moment, we’d address a few common queries, in particular relating to AI. In putting this post together, we spoke to various people from across the development team, including the leads and specialists who are working directly on addressing the issues that have been raised.

The AI system implemented in F1 2010 is very complex, and is certainly not scripted in any way. Every AI driver is trained with a series of race behaviours such as overtaking, defending a position and slipstreaming etc. On top of these behaviours we have a unique set of characteristics. These characteristics are defined per driver so you’ll notice some subtle differences. Some drivers are better at race starts or are better at overtaking (they look for narrower gaps), or are better in the rain, or are more aggressive, or are better around certain race tracks. We also have a system which can make certain drivers have a particularly good or bad race depending on a number of factors. All of this driver variance is of course combined with the cars themselves also having varying levels of performance.

It’s also important to note that in order to make the tracks as richly detailed as they are, we use far more textures than the consoles can physically hold. As with many games, we actively stream in and out textures based on the position of the player. This, plus the fact we don't simulate many visual effects on the far side of the track from the player - a "level of detail” system employed to save valuable processor time - would mean there would be a significant pop or delay if we were to allow you to switch cameras between drivers on track.

Practice & Qualifying AI
In practice & qualifying (P&Q) there are two fundamental issues which have meant that we had to make some implementation decisions for the AI in F1 2010. These two issues are our jump-to-sector feature and the fast-forward feature that is available on the car monitor in the garage.

The jump-to-sector feature necessarily simulates teleporting a car instantly to a position while the fast-forward feature allows the player to speed up time. The latter prevents us from simulating the actual AI travelling around the track 100% of the time as we cannot accurately simulate 24 cars where we have accelerated the passage of time by as much as a factor of 30. An F1 car can move at over 200mph. With 30 times speedup, we cannot simulate car physics at 6000+mph without losing some fidelity. F1 cars obviously cannot move this fast. We therefore implemented a system whereby the AI times in such circumstances are calculated based on a ‘football management” style simulation model. Using this model all of the race factors, such as the car, driver, weather, tyres, engine, track conditions, traffic are all taken into account and a lap time is produced. These generated times are well considered and guided by a huge amount of data; they are not randomly generated. Nevertheless they remain simulated approximations using this model.

For P&Q sessions we spent a long time experimenting with flipping back and forth between this simulated system and actual AI physical timing, as the fast-forward is engaged and disengaged, but it lead to the potential for subtle exploits which we were not comfortable with. Therefore all AI times in these P&Q sessions use this simulation method.

Race AI
As none of the above feature restrictions are relevant in the race itself, we DO NOT use any other systems in the race other than the AI cars all physically driving the race just as the player does. Other factors also contribute to the AI lap times and the variation in their race pace. These include race start behaviours, their ultimate race pace which takes into account elements such as fuel and tyre degradation, weather, conserving / cooling engines etc, their in and out laps in the pit stop phase and their finishing pace.

We have seen several email and forum threads which suggest that an AI car’s performance is determined by where they are positioned currently in the race, or where they are in relation to the player which absolutely isn’t the case.

Based on some of the feedback we’ve received we are looking into the variation of AI race pace, as well as working hard to address as many of the following issues as possible in the upcoming patch, which aren’t AI specific but are adding to the assumptions that we are using fake or scripted AI:

Pit Stop
Several pit stop issues have been reported;
The AI not making a mandatory pit stop during a dry race of 20% or more
The player being forced to wait in the pits before being released
The player or AI cars becoming stuck in the pit lane
The use of flashback breaking the AI pit strategies
We’re currently investigating each of these issues and recognise that these would have a significant impact on the way that the race pans out. As ever with fixing these issues it’s a case of finding out how to repeat the problem so that we can track the issues down and fix them.

Split times
A few of you have correctly spotted that the race leader isn’t always the quickest on the first lap of the race. This is an issue whereby the start line is resetting the AI lap timings rather than everyone’s time being taken from when the start lights go out, which of course should be the case on the first lap.

It’s important to also note that the lap times displayed on screen in F1 2010 are compared to the gap to the leader, rather than being split times to the car in front or behind. They are calculated on the time difference within sectors, on a lap by lap basis. For example, the players lap and individual split times on any given lap is compared to the race leader only.

Track reset
There are a few videos and threads where the AI have been seen to spin off and then teleport around the track. Again this isn’t an intentional component of the AI systems. We have a retrieval system that will reset cars to the track if they manage to get out of the world which is intended for use in a number of scenarios such as violent collisions. In these cases it appears that this retrieval system has fired off by mistake.

Race engineer speech
There are a few issues whereby the information which the race engineer is feeding you in relation to gaps to the car in front seems to be at odds with what is happening in the race. Again this isn’t tied into the AI at all. It’s purely speech logic and triggers.

Fuel simulation and tyre degradation
This has been implemented for both players and AI cars. We’ll investigate the drop offs and see if the numbers need tweaking as part of the patch.

As ever your feedback really helps us track down these issues so many thanks to everyone who has taken the time to post up as many details as you have. We have already made significant advances against some of the issues thanks to those of you who have contributed a clear and comprehensive account of problems. We will let you know the full details of what the patch will include and when you can expect it as soon as possible.

Rest assured that we do read the forums and your feedback is extremely important to us.

I applaud them for responding to many of the issues and concerns and I am optimistic about the patch, but I do feel some of the answers were of the PR variety. The omission of split times to the car in front and behind is just mind boggling as the split time to the leader does not help you at all if you are racing guys in the midfield for points. They also denied any form of AI 'scripting' and rightfully so because to do so would be counterproductive to their own aims. Personally I am still on the fence with that issue, so I will leave it alone. Also the explanation for simulated Practice and Qualy times I found very curious as the use of accelerated time in practice and qualy in much older F1 games always seemed to work just fine. Also, if track detail and pretty graphics prevent them from using a decent replay system I say give us a slightly uglier game.

It does look as if all pit stop issues with be addressed. That will help out tremendously in single player mode. Thoughts and opinions on this?

Source: Official statement from the Codemasters team Forum Community Representative
http://community.codemasters.com/for...-response.html

# 293 RunN1st @ 09/30/10 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundown2600


	Thoughts and opinions on this?

Codemasters has a solid reputation with the racing community. Bundle that with the fact that folks have been waiting for an F1 Sim for quite sometime and you can see why this title outsold Halo: Reach.

Speaking frankly, testers should have caught many of the issues already found by the community. Some titles that have hosted open/private betas seem to have less bugs when they are released. Let's hope they consider some type of beta group for future releases to ensure bugs are identified early on.

We'll see if folks hold on to the game until a patch is released but from what I've seen in some forums that's not likely.

# 294 Bahnzo @ 09/30/10 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RunN1st


	Speaking frankly, testers should have caught many of the issues already found by the community. Some titles that have hosted open/private betas seem to have less bugs when they are released. Let's hope they consider some type of beta group for future releases to ensure bugs are identified early on.

I applaud them for acknowledging the issues with the game, but the proof will come with a patch. I'll reserve judgement until then...there are sure to be some things that can't be addressed with a patch.

I find it hard to believe they didn't know some of these issues before release however. It again comes down to publishers caring more about hitting their release date than actually releasing a quality game. This relying on patches has become a crutch.

# 295 lnin0 @ 09/30/10 05:16 PM

Good response. It was nice the did address some concerns directly as most developers just give a blanket statement. Nobody is going to go line by line through the complaints and promise anything they are not sure they can deliver.

Two things I took away.

Wasn't it obvious to everyone that the P&Q times were simmed due to the accelerate time and skip to track features? I never really doubted the races were 'real' like others nor did I doubt the P&Q was simmed. It seems the game has some bugs but the forums posters screaming about the sky is falling have misread them and blown them way out of proportion. Saddly getting a lot of people to buy in.

He addressed the 'split times' but made no mention of changing this to an accumulated gap time instead. I don't even think 'to the leader' would be an issue as long as they were feeding us accumulated gap time and not just a lap by lap gap.

If you cross the line with a total 14.5 second gap to the leader and the guy above you is 12.0 and the guy below 17.1 - that isn't hard to figure in your head. It is impossible when they are just feeding you +/- fractions of a second per lap and expect you to add yours up over a 30+ lap race not to mention adding up the competition for comparison. If they want to give a current lap S1 and S2 comparison fine; but when we cross the start/finish it needs to give us the total accumulated gap - to the leader or those around us, it doesn't matter.

The other night I was following someone and was lapping slower than them but the splits were just giving me +2 seconds or so a lap. Late in the race my engineer said "so and so is 30 seconds ahead, push it". On screen I was shown +2 seconds. We need that total gap time way more often than the engineer feeds it to us.

# 296 Chaos81 @ 09/30/10 06:21 PM

# 297 DarthRambo @ 09/30/10 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JMD


	I'm not sure what system you have the game for but the above info is incorrect as far as the 360 goes.. With the 360 version of the game you can set the car damage under Difficulty Settings. I'm playing with the A.I. on Amateur and I can set the damage to - OFF , VISUAL ONLY , or FULL. Also I have not had any issues with pit stops. Also i love racing games, and this game is an excellent racing game. 9 out of 10.

WOW, just noticed this thanks! I've been playing with "Reduced" rules and flags, "Tyre Simulation" OFF, and "Fuel Simulation" OFF, as well as "Car Damage simulation" VISUAL ONLY!!

Turning these things on to realistic, on and full makes this game much more realistic! I've already been having a blast, can't wait to play now, think I'll start my career over again hahaha

I'm on the PS3 btw...

# 298 Lakers 24 7 @ 10/01/10 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BIG CAROLINA


	Hey Lakers 24/7 What platform are you on? If you are on the 360 leave me your GT so I can link up with you online or anyone else who plays on the 360 can add me or leave your GT here. On a different note, this game is far from unplayable...One thing I have learned is to stay away from the Codemaster forums(that place is one big negative mess right now). It seems like guys are just looking for the bugs instead of finding ways to enjoy it (especially if you plan on keeping the game).

I'm on the PC. Hopefully things pickup though, once the patch comes out I'm sure people will give it another chance.

Also just found out that race2play.com will be hosting F1 2010 seasons so that should be worth checking out.

# 299 Behindshadows @ 10/01/10 07:04 AM

Yeah I just installed the tracks mods and the realistic lighting and sun mod....loving the PC version even more...amazing difference...

Will post a video tomorrow of it for everyone else to see...

Also installed the team Mercedes realistic mod...car looks nice...about to install that new camera mod where you can see almost the whole cockpit.

# 300 bonannogiovanni @ 10/01/10 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaos81

LOL wtf1.com!!!!

This game has the most limited replay system of any sports racing game, that baffles me.I mean Forza 3 has full replays, but does it look inferior graphically?

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