06:17 AM - July 27, 2010 by buddy321813
The Madden NFL 11 demo is available now for 360 and later today for the PS3. Please post your impressions here.
Madden NFL 11 News Post
06:17 AM - July 27, 2010 by buddy321813The Madden NFL 11 demo is available now for 360 and later today for the PS3. Please post your impressions here.
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# 363
nightofshadow @ 07/27/10 06:39 PM
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LOL They call the play for you, but you still have to execute the play and that still takes skill. Now the top madden players will use GameFlow but the will use GamePlan to make it there own. Best thing about GameFlow is when u use your headset and the coach is in you ear giving you the play. I kinda felt like Manning for a min.
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nightofshadow @ 07/27/10 06:43 PM
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I thought Manning disconnected his headset and did his own thing? 
I am looking forward to trying Gameflow, it looks like it could be fun if done correctly. How long does it take to set up your own gamplan?
Can someone please check to see if Two Player coop is available in the Demo?
I am stuck at work and won't get to try this for another 5 hours.
I am looking forward to trying Gameflow, it looks like it could be fun if done correctly. How long does it take to set up your own gamplan?
Can someone please check to see if Two Player coop is available in the Demo?
I am stuck at work and won't get to try this for another 5 hours.
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# 367
sparkyiii2k @ 07/27/10 06:44 PM
Armageddon is fast approaching August 13 let the countdown begin run Ian run
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# 369
SeventhWard @ 07/27/10 06:46 PM
My initial impression based on the DEMO is that Madden 11 has been improved in a few departments - but OVERALL, made WEAKER than last year's game and while some additions are nice, that Tiburon SLOPPINESS that I hate so much is back once again.
Weaker
Too much emphasis has been placed on "making the game easier" and I come away feeling like the rest of the game has suffered because of it. For the guys who like GameFlow, great. I never felt Madden needed to be made 'more accessible' but if the act of "calling plays" was the last hurdle to get you into the Madden saddle, welcome aboard.
From a very MACRO point of view - GameFlow 'feels' like a corporate directive to get "dad" to try Madden, even though "dad" plays Nintendo Wii. The true gamers play this version. I know JOHN MADDEN himself suggested this GameFlow change and the team has gone a long way to convince us that this is more realistic, but I truly appreciate the ability to disable the feature. Thanks. That's good design.
I feel like I had to DISABLE things to play the game the way I wanted to play it. Disable GameFlow. Disable Auto Sprint. Disable Auto Strafe. KUDOS to Tiburon - giving us the option to turn new things OFF is smart.
Sloppier
I've said all year that I welcome the addition of Gus Johnson. He has the POTENTIAL to elevate Madden's presentation to a new level. However, Madden 11 has the SAME sequencing as Madden 10 and EVERY Madden game before it. It's time for something new. The sequencing/programming approach is outdated. We can hear the edits and the biggest gripe is inconsistency in performance. Gus brings a lot of emotion, but when he EXCITEDLY SCREAMS a players name, followed by a very mundane "gains 2 on the play" - you lose me.
If that's not bad enough - Cris Collinsworth still calls Gus Johnson "Tom" on a number of occasions. Are you kidding me, guys? Commentary is a "Back of the Box" feature this year, and there isn't the follow-through to EDIT the Collinsworth audio to reflect it? That's bad, man.
It's a simple operation - you hire an editor to come in, open ALL of the Collinsworth audio and cut out all references to "Tom". He can do it in a 10 hour session. Two days at the most. Want to really be thorough and do it right? You either hire Collinsworth to re-record those "Tom" lines with a new "Gus" or even CHEAT and get a few takes of Collinsworth saying "Gus" for you to edit in. To just leave it as "Tom" screams sloppy. Did you guys think we wouldn't notice? Did you guys think we wouldn't care?
I want to love the new lighting - but I can't because it's INCOMPLETE. To incorporate "new lighting" that STILL ISN'T PROGRESSIVE is another questionable design decision that hurts the game as a whole.
I've personally gotten on the Creative Director and the Art Director's case via Twitter about it. I've been polite at times and borderline rude. What saddens me is that the origination of that idea should NOT be coming from a vocal fan - you would think the Art Director would be handling that kind of stuff already.
What makes the Lighting gripe worse is that NCAA 11, which shares the same engine, HAS a progressive lighting solution. Instead of borrowing it - the Madden team leaves it out completely.
Granted, this IS the DEMO and there's lots of little positive additions to make things nicer than Madden 10 - but it pains me to say that this looks like another year of missed opportunities.
-SeventhWard
Weaker
Too much emphasis has been placed on "making the game easier" and I come away feeling like the rest of the game has suffered because of it. For the guys who like GameFlow, great. I never felt Madden needed to be made 'more accessible' but if the act of "calling plays" was the last hurdle to get you into the Madden saddle, welcome aboard.
From a very MACRO point of view - GameFlow 'feels' like a corporate directive to get "dad" to try Madden, even though "dad" plays Nintendo Wii. The true gamers play this version. I know JOHN MADDEN himself suggested this GameFlow change and the team has gone a long way to convince us that this is more realistic, but I truly appreciate the ability to disable the feature. Thanks. That's good design.
I feel like I had to DISABLE things to play the game the way I wanted to play it. Disable GameFlow. Disable Auto Sprint. Disable Auto Strafe. KUDOS to Tiburon - giving us the option to turn new things OFF is smart.
Sloppier
I've said all year that I welcome the addition of Gus Johnson. He has the POTENTIAL to elevate Madden's presentation to a new level. However, Madden 11 has the SAME sequencing as Madden 10 and EVERY Madden game before it. It's time for something new. The sequencing/programming approach is outdated. We can hear the edits and the biggest gripe is inconsistency in performance. Gus brings a lot of emotion, but when he EXCITEDLY SCREAMS a players name, followed by a very mundane "gains 2 on the play" - you lose me.
If that's not bad enough - Cris Collinsworth still calls Gus Johnson "Tom" on a number of occasions. Are you kidding me, guys? Commentary is a "Back of the Box" feature this year, and there isn't the follow-through to EDIT the Collinsworth audio to reflect it? That's bad, man.
It's a simple operation - you hire an editor to come in, open ALL of the Collinsworth audio and cut out all references to "Tom". He can do it in a 10 hour session. Two days at the most. Want to really be thorough and do it right? You either hire Collinsworth to re-record those "Tom" lines with a new "Gus" or even CHEAT and get a few takes of Collinsworth saying "Gus" for you to edit in. To just leave it as "Tom" screams sloppy. Did you guys think we wouldn't notice? Did you guys think we wouldn't care?
I want to love the new lighting - but I can't because it's INCOMPLETE. To incorporate "new lighting" that STILL ISN'T PROGRESSIVE is another questionable design decision that hurts the game as a whole.
I've personally gotten on the Creative Director and the Art Director's case via Twitter about it. I've been polite at times and borderline rude. What saddens me is that the origination of that idea should NOT be coming from a vocal fan - you would think the Art Director would be handling that kind of stuff already.
What makes the Lighting gripe worse is that NCAA 11, which shares the same engine, HAS a progressive lighting solution. Instead of borrowing it - the Madden team leaves it out completely.
Granted, this IS the DEMO and there's lots of little positive additions to make things nicer than Madden 10 - but it pains me to say that this looks like another year of missed opportunities.
-SeventhWard
Just played the demo after waiting 8 hours for it to download...
I agree with others that the strategy pad is going to take some getting used to, I would like to see them patch the game so the CPU does not snap the ball as quicky. Towards the end of the game I got pretty quick at making adjustments and still didn't have time to make more than one.
Personally I like the challenge presented by Gameflow. I think we all have a tendancy to lean on our money plays and Gameflow takes that out of the equation to some degree. I prefer to play on all-pro and Gameflow is one way to increase the difficutly, much like Valdarez's "ask madden" challenge in his slider thread last year.
I was able to get 2 sacks in both games I played, they didn't come easy but I was able to get them. I like how they now show a big hit on the QB in instant replay. I was able to run the ball very well as the Jets and not so well as the Colts which seems authentic. I also like the way receivers seem much more tuned in to finding a gap in zone coverage.
The lighting, sound and stadium environment are all a big improvement. Peyton Manning finally has a neck and a helmet that fits his head. I'm hoping that some of the silence that occured between plays was a product of the demo (limting the size).
Great demo, excited for the real thing!
I agree with others that the strategy pad is going to take some getting used to, I would like to see them patch the game so the CPU does not snap the ball as quicky. Towards the end of the game I got pretty quick at making adjustments and still didn't have time to make more than one.
Personally I like the challenge presented by Gameflow. I think we all have a tendancy to lean on our money plays and Gameflow takes that out of the equation to some degree. I prefer to play on all-pro and Gameflow is one way to increase the difficutly, much like Valdarez's "ask madden" challenge in his slider thread last year.
I was able to get 2 sacks in both games I played, they didn't come easy but I was able to get them. I like how they now show a big hit on the QB in instant replay. I was able to run the ball very well as the Jets and not so well as the Colts which seems authentic. I also like the way receivers seem much more tuned in to finding a gap in zone coverage.
The lighting, sound and stadium environment are all a big improvement. Peyton Manning finally has a neck and a helmet that fits his head. I'm hoping that some of the silence that occured between plays was a product of the demo (limting the size).
Great demo, excited for the real thing!
# 372
phillysouljah @ 07/27/10 06:58 PM
Gus Johnson calls Leonhard "Lester" 
I'm assuming that will be fixed.
I'm assuming that will be fixed.
The posts are going so fast, I think my post is buried so I will ask again.
The part I am asking about is "but because of the inability to adjust human sliders". Is this just a demo thing? Or is it going to be this way also in the final retail version as well? If I remember correctly, it was something like this in Madden 09 as well where you could only adjust one set of sliders (can't remember if it was the cpu or human).
The part I am asking about is "but because of the inability to adjust human sliders". Is this just a demo thing? Or is it going to be this way also in the final retail version as well? If I remember correctly, it was something like this in Madden 09 as well where you could only adjust one set of sliders (can't remember if it was the cpu or human).
# 374
KensaiKatai @ 07/27/10 07:05 PM
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I was so gassed when Skyboxer and Ezio posted that link too, trying to imply that we could change it back to the old way...They need to patch this the way they patched Fight Night 4 with the button controls for jabbing, etc. Besides with the eternal optimists, there is going to be a huge community backlash.
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For a madden veteran, it is very obvious that they added the strategy pad to combat their sloppy a.i. and the cheesers. So they take control AWAY from us in order to make up for the ineptitude as far as the game's ai? BRILLIANT!
I will play the retail before making any other judgements, this is obviously a watered down version and i don't think it's fair to make a comparison to NCAA yet. Rest assured, i won't be just looking at 'video' to make my final purchasing decision. I love to micromanage and NCAA seems to have the one up there this year, and the strategy pad is making this a no go for me day 1 for the first time since 1993 when i was 10 years old.
edit: it has nothing to do with 'getting used to' if i could make an analogy it's like playing a piano, try playing 32nd notes on 1 key then try playing 32nd notes on two keys. The latter is a lot easier. Taking away half the controller for presnap adjustments is not intuitive, it's counterproductive and cumbersome.
# 375
permanent1 @ 07/27/10 07:05 PM
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Gameflow is a little more realistic and based on what an NFL coaching staff does. They prepare for a game and usually map out anywhere between 15-30 plays with various formations and use that gameplan on game day. In theory, Gameplan setup is basically making you take certain plays to formulate that weekly gameplan like an NFL team. These are the plays they would have worked on the most in practice and should be used. NFL teams sometimes will break away from that gameplan which is why you can choose to do so in the game.
To me, that's pretty realistic based on real life football practice and weekly planning. I just hope it isn't extremely time consuming on a game to game basis. Sometimes I only have time to play one game a day.
Now, for the love of GOD, can someone please tell me if you can do two player coop in the demo?!
To me, that's pretty realistic based on real life football practice and weekly planning. I just hope it isn't extremely time consuming on a game to game basis. Sometimes I only have time to play one game a day.
Now, for the love of GOD, can someone please tell me if you can do two player coop in the demo?!
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Collingsworth calling Gus Tom is in the demo, but not in the final build. Ian mentioned this on Twitter a few days ago.
Also, I'm 48 yrs old, probably more than double the age of some people on here, and I'm having no problems with strategy pad. I stumbled a few times out of the gate, but if I can handle it, every one else should be able to handle it.
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Can't find it either
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They flew out to his house last year during the 1st weekend of games.
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