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NBA Live 10 Patch #2 Available For 360 & PS3, Post Impressions Here

09:50 AM - December 8, 2009 by Steve_OS

The second patch for NBA Live 10 is now available for 360 and PS3 owners. Please post your impressions here.

This quote from blackflash83, NBA Live Community Manager.

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	"The second title update will address a lot of the bugs that came from the first update as well as address the three point issue that has been plaguing online play. The online fatigue issue will also be fixed as well. It will also look to address some of the freezing issues that some of you have run into as well."

EDIT: Adding what the patch addresses:

-Addressed goaltending issue to ensure that when a goaltending foul is received while blocking a dunk that the correct points are allocated.
-Addressed an issue ensuring that Ranked Online match forced to have fatigue set on.
-Fine tuned 3 point % completion rates to reduce the likelihood of successes to more realistic values
-Addressed an Injury Removal issue, where adding inured players to the starting lineup and attempting to sub them off was unsuccessful.

With the three point issue, the team worked to make the three point percentage more realistic based on tuning the shot release, defender proximity, player skill and distance from the basket. This was a key issue that the community asked be addressed and the development team took the extra time to ensure that three point shooting is more realistic.

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# 201 Benicio10 @ 12/14/09 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by joker


	You didnt play a good cheeser . Its hard to defend when BIBBY sprints to the corner or uses many pick n rolls to free up space ....THe magnetic force between defender and on ball is killing it because the corner 3 is very effective . We can try it if you like ? This is my first game with the patch and i quit after i did this ....Also , i have another video on pick n rolls where the space is there when the pick gets set , all you do is sprint to open space and again THE MAGNETIC force SPACE that is from the defender and ball handler is too much resulting money 3's

this is sad news ... we need an explanation from EA on what exactly was fixed with the 3pt issue?

It's embarrassing that in 2009, in the 5th version of NBA Live on next gen, 3 pointers are money every time ... and they couldn't fix the issue in a patch that was released for this purpose.

If that doesn't spell bad development, I don't know what does. We deserve better.

# 202 Stumbleweed @ 12/14/09 02:20 PM

Had 3 very fun online games against randoms yesterday. Dunno if I lucked out and got 3 simish guys or what, but they were solid games, no 3PT craziness, and some of the most fun games I've had against randoms in any b-ball game. They were the first games since getting the new patch.. haven't tried offline yet. But yeah, feels good to me, I still love this game against another user.

# 203 blues rocker @ 12/14/09 02:22 PM

Shame on you, EA for making a game that allows this kind of ridiculous cheese. It must be some kind of "hot spot" that allows Bibby to make any shot from that area of the court. The whole concept of "hot spots" is just dumb and should not factor into shot success. Shot success should only be determined by if the shooter is open. If there is a defender on the shooter, he should not be able to hit ridiculous cheese 3's like that.

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Originally Posted by joker


	You didnt play a good cheeser . Its hard to defend when BIBBY sprints to the corner or uses many pick n rolls to free up space ....THe magnetic force between defender and on ball is killing it because the corner 3 is very effective . We can try it if you like ? This is my first game with the patch and i quit after i did this ....Also , i have another video on pick n rolls where the space is there when the pick gets set , all you do is sprint to open space and again THE MAGNETIC force SPACE that is from the defender and ball handler is too much resulting money 3's

# 204 ehh @ 12/14/09 02:27 PM

Joker, is that is you as the Hawks and the Thunder as the CPU right? I believe it's a red circle and a blue circle if it's online hum v hum. If it's hum vs cpu what level/sliders are you on?

Glad to hear the PS3 patch is out today since I'll be out of town on business Tues-Fri.

# 205 Stumbleweed @ 12/14/09 02:29 PM

Heh, the one positive in that video is that in Live you can actually dribble under control to the corner and quickly and easily shoot a three without toeing the line or doing some ridiculous animation. Heh, I guess I've been lucky, I haven't run into any of that since a few weeks after release playing randoms... my Live games against humans are almost always a lot of fun. The few times someone has been chucking up threes, it was normally with Kobe and they mostly missed.

# 206 toine2983 @ 12/14/09 02:47 PM

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	Addressed an Injury Removal issue, where adding inured players to the starting lineup and attempting to sub them off was unsuccessful.

I'm still having this problem post patch.

# 207 blues rocker @ 12/14/09 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by joker


	Ya thats me as the hawks but i play far from that style but just recently one of my close friend told me that when i do pick n rolls to get open , all i have to do is sprint to a hotspot and shoot which is just killing it for us.

Hey EA - please get rid of "hot spots." This whole concept that a player can shoot a higher percentage from a special "hot spot" (whether he is contested or not) is just stupid. Shot success should not change depending on whether or not a player is standing on a "MAGICAL hot spot." This is basketball, not Lord of the Rings - There should be no place for magic in a basketball game.

# 208 ataman5 @ 12/14/09 03:10 PM

Joker, i try to understand you, but the point you state and how you state is interesting and kinda make no sense to me sorry, you play against cpu, you use bibby all quarter long and cheese by yourself, and then come here complain about it, isn't it?

And when people come here and see this video of yours they start thinking that it's human vs human on online but it's not actually.

Although what you wanna show is ok, how you show doesn't prove anything at all except making some people mind confused about the patch etc.

Although i didn't have the patch, i can come up with lots of arguments as it's the first quarter of the game, fatigue is nowhere near to get in effect, and Bibby can start on fire or Thunders d hasn't adjusted to the way Bibby plays out, and the fact that it's not human against you so that one can realize quickly what you do are all come to my mind in the first place.

You maybe right(i hope not) but the way you show it, and its quantity is not satisfying and proving anything, except to flare this thread.

# 209 Stumbleweed @ 12/14/09 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by blues rocker


	Hey EA - please get rid of "hot spots." This whole concept that a player can shoot a higher percentage from a special "hot spot" (whether he is contested or not) is just stupid. Shot success should not change depending on whether or not a player is standing on a "MAGICAL hot spot." This is basketball, not Lord of the Rings - There should be no place for magic in a basketball game.

Except that some guys are extremely efficient from one spot or another and horrible from other areas... it's a real phenomenon (the NBA wouldn't track Hot Spot data otherwise)... they just need to figure out a way for the game to reduce the effectiveness based on whether their feet are set, how contested the shot is, etc. -- seems like that sort of thing matters very little in Live. Being able to actually view the Hot Spots would be a good thing as well... that allowed people to see where they could exploit the shooting %s in the past, but if they made the necessary changes to the DNA calculations or whatever it is to affect the %s when contested, etc., the system will be great for Live 11.

# 210 carnalnirvana @ 12/14/09 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blues rocker


	Hey EA - please get rid of "hot spots." This whole concept that a player can shoot a higher percentage from a special "hot spot" (whether he is contested or not) is just stupid. Shot success should not change depending on whether or not a player is standing on a "MAGICAL hot spot." This is basketball, not Lord of the Rings - There should be no place for magic in a basketball game.

i will agree tha shot success should not be boosted by a sweet spot

but ea cant control a person from shooting 50 three point shots, thats abuse not a glitch play better people

every game can become a cheese fest if you play garbage people and how about playing better defense i didnt see a lot of contesting going on

# 211 blues rocker @ 12/14/09 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Stumbleweed


	Except that some guys are extremely efficient from one spot or another and horrible from other areas... it's a real phenomenon (the NBA wouldn't track Hot Spot data otherwise)... they just need to figure out a way for the game to reduce the effectiveness based on whether their feet are set, how contested the shot is, etc. -- seems like that sort of thing matters very little in Live. Being able to actually view the Hot Spots would be a good thing as well... that allowed people to see where they could exploit the shooting %s in the past, but if they made the necessary changes to the DNA calculations or whatever it is to affect the %s when contested, etc., the system will be great for Live 11.

I know that in real life players shoot better from certain areas of the court - but it's not because their abilities increase in that area - it's just because they prefer to shoot from that area - so if you a are playing Live and you shoot from a "non hot spot" you should still be able to make the shot if you are open.

Hot spots are just ridiculous in my opinion. I don't have time to memorize what areas of the court I can shoot from with every player in the game. Bottom line - if the player is a good shooter, and he's open, he should make the shot - "magical hot spots" should not be a factor.

# 212 carnalnirvana @ 12/14/09 03:32 PM

after the patch the double a player works better no longer do players just spectate when they double a player

also a box & 1 works great against 1 player abusers i wish the online players luck i know its hard finding honest competition

where can i see a player's hot sopt???? i could find it in live 09 not 10 ????

# 213 jrose57 @ 12/14/09 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by joker


	Ataman, This is what i see online and i was testing it offline so i can record it for you guys because its not like im going to sit there and wait for a cheeser to get online and then press record. This game i did a video was right after the patch and my first game offline !! Bibby is a good player but when do you see him taking backstep 3's or shooting with hand in his face and scoring 60 % of the time like that ? You see in NBA, he gets a lot of picks to get open and EVEN with that , he wont shoot that good .... Fatigue has no say in this because in ranked 5 minute games, the starters dont get tired to take them out because fatigue is not corresponding to the minutes of a game .....Only time fatigue really works is when you play 9 minute to 12 minute quarters where you have to actually sub out. What if i showed you a video with MO williams launching away and scoring 30 a game without even getting lebron involved ? I have another vid for now that im about to post with atlanta and you be the judge if the 3 pt glitch is fixed. How can we fix this ? HOTSPOTS is killing the game but we cant take that out because in nba there are players who go to their spots to launch away.... Maybe increasing or making it easier to close down CORNER 3's ? For me its hard to defend a PG that is sprinting left to right or attacking the basket without holding down R1 but when i do hold R1 and they sprint to the corner , they are creating so much space that its late for me to get there ...If the perimeter defense would close down ball handler faster , maybe that can help but then again the spacing would go away which we need.

ADD HEDO TURK THERE!!! well i play offline, and i use the raptors, the guy don't miss, you don't have to run plays, dont have to use bosh, you can use evans, amir johnson, turk, wright, banks and simply give it to turk to run behind 3 pt line and shoot every posession, you will probably score 7-8/10, WTF IS GOING ON!!!

# 214 blues rocker @ 12/14/09 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jrose57


	ADD HEDO TURK THERE!!! well i play offline, and i use the raptors, the guy don't miss, you don't have to run plays, dont have to use bosh, you can use evans, amir johnson, turk, wright, banks and simply give it to turk to run behind 3 pt line and shoot every posession, you will probably score 7-8/10, WTF IS GOING ON!!!

I think it is being caused by the stupid hot spots. EA needs to fix this so that if you are closely guarding a player, you can make him miss even if he's on a hot spot. It seems like good defense has no effect if the shooter is standing on his hot spot - this is ridiculous.

# 215 mvb34 @ 12/14/09 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by joker


	You didnt play a good cheeser . Its hard to defend when BIBBY sprints to the corner or uses many pick n rolls to free up space ....THe magnetic force between defender and on ball is killing it because the corner 3 is very effective . We can try it if you like ? This is my first game with the patch and i quit after i did this ....Also , i have another video on pick n rolls where the space is there when the pick gets set , all you do is sprint to open space and again THE MAGNETIC force SPACE that is from the defender and ball handler is too much resulting money 3's

Poor defense on you!!!

# 216 jrose57 @ 12/14/09 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blues rocker


	I think it is being caused by the stupid hot spots. EA needs to fix this so that if you are closely guarding a player, you can make him miss even if he's on a hot spot. It seems like good defense has no effect if the shooter is standing on his hot spot - this is ridiculous.

this is just stupid, these things might look minor or little, but they acutaly make the whole game unplayable!!! I WAS SO HAPPY AFTER GETTING THE PATCH AND NOW REALISE I CAN'T MISS WITH HEDO!!!

# 217 ataman5 @ 12/14/09 03:51 PM

All right i know what you mean pretty well, i've seen a lot cheesers taking Mo and Nash all game long launching treys from the corner and other places as well, i'm not saying it doesn't exist at all.

But EA or any other company won't be able to stop cheese as long as the human players have set of minds just abusing games in ways they can so, i believe hot spots should be there, or else a player like Bruce Bowen a spot up jumper mean nothing to us for years.

You know there are strategies in a bball game like you can let Kobe whatever he can do on the court but don't let any other teammates of him to get anything, etc. So i start finding users cheesing in that way pretty easy to get over, bcs all they know is limited to that 3pt shot trick, that's all, so you don't need to guess of what that player is capable of when all he does jacking up treys. If you be calm and try to go deep with the way this game plays you'll be satisfied a lot believe me. You gotta adjust your d and you'll find your solutions.

PS: All my statements are based on patch #1, and i believe or want to believe patch #2 on the 3 pt cheese is in a way a ''little'' better as they stated. And being just a little bit better makes my day.

# 218 Ballatician @ 12/14/09 04:11 PM

Not making excuses but I've actually seen Bibby get that hot IRL. Man I use to hate that little beige so and so. Anyways thats why I don't play online because I would get frustrated playing against someone like that. But the real question is can someone win with one person taking all the shots? I wouldn't be mad if a cheeser launched 100 3s a game as long as he still lost because he didn't use real basketball fundamentals. Now like I said I play offline but I would say set your matchups to play tight on Bibby. When I played against the Mavs Dirk was killing me with the jumpers. I started played him tight and Pau shut him down for 2 quarters. Unfortunately he got hot in the fourth but hey that's what star players do. Try full court press, traps and double teams also. I mean in the end really its still a video game and can't be perfect.

Last thing I don't mind hot spots. I've played against some dudes who could not miss on certain spots on the court hand in their face or not. It's uncanny. I just wish live would bring back the button that showed you where your hot spots are. They also need to bring back hitting triangle for replays. I miss that little feature. And is it me or are the big players using a more variety of post moves and the perimeter players are using more dribble moves than before the patch?

# 219 Pared @ 12/14/09 04:16 PM

Guys, if it's an issue with the game, it's an issue with the game. Move on.

Don't take up another 4-5 pages going back and forth on the issue like you did early on in this thread.

# 220 Benicio10 @ 12/14/09 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pared


	Guys, if it's an issue with the game, it's an issue with the game. Move on. Don't take up another 4-5 pages going back and forth on the issue like you did early on in this thread.

If it's an issue with the game it needs to be examined in detail so that we can provide better feedback to the developers.

And this is the most appropriate place to discuss this issue since it relates to the recent patch that was supposed to fix it.

We're trying to identify what this patch actually fixed, and right now we're confused.

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