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Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

04:26 PM - May 28, 2009 by Brnto4life

Joystiq has posted another Madden NFL 10 article, this one titled Madden 10: Did EA press reset?

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	"Frazier, Cummings and the rest of the staff are frustrated by the repetitive criticisms lobbed at Madden. Frazier vehemently defended the integrity of this team, if not the integrity of EA Sports' exclusive right to use NFL licenses. "We found out about it the same day everyone else did," Frazier said of the deal. "I get that concern." But Frazier was quick to point out that EA has invested more money in Madden this year than any previous year, suggesting that at no level in the company is there a push to ease back on development initiative in the wake of diminished competition. "EA isn't trying to get lazy with this franchise," Frazier insisted. EA isn't trying to get overly ambitious either."

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# 121 Bgamer90 @ 05/29/09 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SAMKAVELI NFL FOOTBALL


	you know what forget it. you can all continue to be salves keep thinking the corperation care about you. your 666 chips(mark of the beast) are all most ready continue to live in your fantasy land your masters created for you. you have been warned sheep, your living in the last days yasha(Jesus) is coming back soon enjoy your life or whats lift of it. oh yeah EA is apart of this NWO as well not only them but Hollywood, The President, Police, Military, Music Industry, the public school/college/university system all the Celebrates, Politicians hell even the pope LOL and most of the world leaders all under 666 the roll of masons/Lucifer no one is on your side LOL. the matrix is not just a movie, repent now Satan is ready to reveal this is his world soon. good day sheep.

# 122 coogrfan @ 05/29/09 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SAMKAVELI NFL FOOTBALL


	you know what forget it. you can all continue to be salves keep thinking the corperation care about you. your 666 chips(mark of the beast) are all most ready continue to live in your fantasy land your masters created for you. you have been warned sheep, your living in the last days yasha(Jesus) is coming back soon enjoy your life or whats lift of it. oh yeah EA is apart of this NWO as well not only them but Hollywood, The President, Police, Military, Music Industry, the public school/college/university system all the Celebrates, Politicians hell even the pope LOL and most of the world leaders all under 666 the roll of masons/Lucifer no one is on your side LOL. the matrix is not just a movie, repent now Satan is ready to reveal this is his world soon. good day sheep.

Well, that was...interesting.

# 123 SAMKAVELI NFL FOOTBALL @ 05/29/09 07:09 PM

If you believe in god read your bible it confirms the events of the last days. were leaving in them right now today, don't trust any of the corporations/government etc etc trust in Jesus Christ he is the way. don't go to church they will not drop this truth cause much like EA they just want your money. repent the lord is upon us, the dollar will collapse the economy is fulling by design so then y'all will be welling to take the chip you have no one on your side because they(Illuminati)kills them before they can expose this Malcolm x, MLK ,JFK, Lincoln even Tupac(many others) was killed for trying to expose the plain.

this tread can be locked now.

# 124 CreatineKasey @ 05/29/09 09:21 PM

I liked the fresh opinion. I've been tricked by the hype machine too many times to discount critical articles like this.

I do think EA tried to discredit their opinion by pointing out their misrepresentations, which were fairly insignificant in my opinion. The message is still the same - they weren't very impressed.

The guys who don't accept criticism always come out of the woodworks in these threads and start bashing the website... just funny to me

. It's okay not to agree guys... part of life. Doesn't make them wrong, doesn't make you wrong.

The review probably doesn't apply too closely to us. From his casual sports gamer perspective, not much impresses him so far. That's' fine. I really think us hardcore gamers are in for a treat with this technology. It improves finer parts of the game, which we notice.

# 125 SouthernBrick @ 05/29/09 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SAMKAVELI NFL FOOTBALL


	you know what forget it. you can all continue to be salves keep thinking the corperation care about you. your 666 chips(mark of the beast) are all most ready continue to live in your fantasy land your masters created for you. you have been warned sheep, your living in the last days yasha(Jesus) is coming back soon enjoy your life or whats lift of it. oh yeah EA is apart of this NWO as well not only them but Hollywood, The President, Police, Military, Music Industry, the public school/college/university system all the Celebrates, Politicians hell even the pope LOL and most of the world leaders all under 666 the roll of masons/Lucifer no one is on your side LOL. the matrix is not just a movie, repent now Satan is ready to reveal this is his world soon. good day sheep.

Get a life (Whats left of it).

# 126 Cnada @ 05/30/09 01:13 AM

I really think that for madden to really begin to revolutionize it needs a two year development cycle. Being here at OS with daily interaction with the developers does make us bias and if you look at its from outsides perspective they are absolutely right. Heres what to do!

1. Release a new madden every 2 years!!

Pros -> More time leads to much more thought out and bigger features, atm big ticket items like pro-tak get split into sections to be developed in a 1 year cycle

-A free roster update for the second year would make fans feel rewarded for waiting 2 years and increasing replay ability

Cons -> Half the profit! Hence throwing this idea out the window no EA executive would have the guts to make that decision

2. 2 Development team like Call of duty

Pros -> More innovation every year, able to add true Sequel like features

Cons -> Higher cost

Who said a revolution of madden was easy? These are just big ideas IF they really want to think big! Take madden to a new level

# 127 HealyMonster @ 05/30/09 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SAMKAVELI NFL FOOTBALL


	you know what forget it. you can all continue to be salves keep thinking the corperation care about you. your 666 chips(mark of the beast) are all most ready continue to live in your fantasy land your masters created for you. you have been warned sheep, your living in the last days yasha(Jesus) is coming back soon enjoy your life or whats lift of it. oh yeah EA is apart of this NWO as well not only them but Hollywood, The President, Police, Military, Music Industry, the public school/college/university system all the Celebrates, Politicians hell even the pope LOL and most of the world leaders all under 666 the roll of masons/Lucifer no one is on your side LOL. the matrix is not just a movie, repent now Satan is ready to reveal this is his world soon. good day sheep.

Im concerned that this guy has been lurking here since 2006 and this is the first Ive seen him

.......wipes profile of all personal info..........

anyways, I really really wish people would wait until E3 until they pass judgement. I have been a madden basher, Ive cursed them and yada yada yada, Ian has earned his shot and i think we should give it to him. "his shot" is not a 2 minute video and Joystiq seems to want to know what they are talking about more than they actually know what they are talking about. my opinion of course.

# 128 mccullough13 @ 05/30/09 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SAMKAVELI NFL FOOTBALL


	If you believe in god read your bible it confirms the events of the last days. were leaving in them right now today, don't trust any of the corporations/government etc etc trust in Jesus Christ he is the way. don't go to church they will not drop this truth cause much like EA they just want your money. repent the lord is upon us, the dollar will collapse the economy is fulling by design so then y'all will be welling to take the chip you have no one on your side because they(Illuminati)kills them before they can expose this Malcolm x, MLK ,JFK, Lincoln even Tupac(many others) was killed for trying to expose the plain. this tread can be locked now.

http://www.bidstrup.com/bible.htm

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/

# 129 lgxjames @ 05/30/09 02:38 PM

ya know ian has a blog about the engine topic, looks like some shud check it out

# 130 shift9k @ 05/30/09 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MJenness


	It's easy to "talk the talk", but now when it's time to "walk the walk", he walks AWAY!

wierd isnt it?

# 131 Swingking77 @ 05/30/09 02:49 PM

There really needed to be more customer support as far as patchs went last year. There were so many issues in that game that just didn't work as they should have. From time clock issues, to glarring issues like the QB cheat and FB dives which to this day still run rampant in the games... Freezing! Complete freezing in games, durring loading, and other MAJOR issues last year were a total short comming and really put a nail in the coffin for most people who really did give the game a try... But that was all last year!

I find it odd though that Ian would have left on such short notice. There must have been something said at some point in time which must have struck a nerve. Be it a personal attack or simply people not buying into what he was trying to sell. Maybe there really isn't anything more to say. Nothing with more impact to sell... Maybe what we see is what we get and since there's no more dog and pony show to sell, why keep taking the abuse which will no doubt keep comming. Either way, the end result was the same. He's gone, or so someone has said, since I haven't read anything from him directly on the board...

The one constant that I find funny though is that the entier "wait for it, wait for it" maybe never arrived. And now that something that they thought was going to be huge, like Co-Op, has fallen on the floor with a thud, it's time to bail out... I'm not saying that's the case, but everytime that something new comes out about the game, something touted as being huge in their eyes came out, people took it as nice to have this year, but not something that really makes that much of a big deal in the end. I tend to agree with whom ever said increase the production cycle. Add a year, giving more time to develop stuff that matters. Heck you could even charge for the new years DLC rosters if you need that much money. But at the very least, give us a game that works. Playing a busted game with two people at once just means that two more people are going to be mad when it freezes or if they get screwed over by cheap plays...

Thus far, I'm excited. It LOOKS great. It looks like things are headed in the right direction. Playing it will be the determining factor, I think for most people. People should rent it first, and play it for a solid week. Based on what you see, you should then decide to buy it or pass on it... The Gamespots aren't even giving out extra stuff for pre-orders of Madden anymore, so why bother. By it on merit. Not out of compulsion.

This year, however, as a strategy I've heard from several sources, the complaints about Madden will not be headed only to EA's customer service, but to the NFL, it's an official NFL product and as such, they must be held accountable for the products they licence. At the very least, we have two years. This one, the next one, and then pending a new deal, 2012... Just in time for the world to end...

# 132 roadman @ 05/30/09 03:03 PM

I must have missed the news that Madden 10 is out in the stores already.

Ian's not going anywhere except for E3.

There were 5 or 6 people that were banned at OS within 24 hrs. I think Ian will return when the dust settles.

# 133 spankdatazz22 @ 05/30/09 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nintari


	I actually agree about the engine issue. The team isn't really the problem IMO, it's the engine. Take a look at 2k8. It's gameplay is superior to Madden and that's all thanks to VC's engine. Of course, reinventing a new engine this late in the game would cause some serious issues/hiccups, but it's probably the only way Madden will ever get back to the PS2 games of the past.

It's the teams that have created these game engines though. Tiburon has been developing Madden for umpteen years now; the game has gone in the direction they've chosen to take it. And this year we've heard repeatedly how great the new technologies are that they're developing. If we're still able to look at older and/or last gen games as equal or better at this point, then they deserve to be clowned.

# 134 bkrich83 @ 05/30/09 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SAMKAVELI NFL FOOTBALL


	as jack Nicholson joker said If you gotta go out Go out with a BANG HAHA tjizzle keep laughing homie this site has to much dickriding for a greedy company like EA.

If you want to go out with a bang, at least come up with some original material. You're just recycling the same old crap we've heard for the last 3 years

# 135 roadman @ 05/30/09 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22


	It's the teams that have created these game engines though. Tiburon has been developing Madden for umpteen years now; the game has gone in the direction they've chosen to take it. And this year we've heard repeatedly how great the new technologies are that they're developing. If we're still able to look at older and/or last gen games as equal or better at this point, then they deserve to be clowned.

To be fair, don't you think we should make the determination after 10 is out.

Plus, the mantra that Ian stated in February, What you see on Sunday, Ian clarified he meant not everything will be in 10. He said he meant 10 and beyond.

Justified or not, I think people are putting too much expectations on Madden 10 surpassing or equaling last gen games. It will take more than one development cycle to equal or surpass last gen games.

# 136 Sauk @ 05/30/09 10:27 PM

To be honest I think someone was on some serious stuff

# 137 spankdatazz22 @ 05/30/09 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	To be fair, don't you think we should make the determination after 10 is out. Plus, the mantra that Ian stated in February, What you see on Sunday, Ian clarified he meant not everything will be in 10. He said he meant 10 and beyond. Justified or not, I think people are putting too much expectations on Madden 10 surpassing or equaling last gen games. It will take more than one development cycle to equal or surpass last gen games.

I agree w/you, no one should be making any definitive determinations until they've played the game. But we're basically doing no more than what's been done the past 5-6months - commenting on the information set before us. Imo if they're going to sit back and soak up the praise for early information, then it only seems fair that they'd accept criticism of early information. As far as expectations, I think they have no one to blame but themselves imo. They were playing the hype game building expectations, instead of taking the less glorious route of trying to manage them (expectations).

Imo expectations should be high - they're the only NFL game available. And they've placed themselves in the position where they will be the only one for a long time. And it hasn't been one development cycle, it's been five - it's not like they're doing some sort of MVP-like reboot; they're building on work that's been done previously. I've read some people saying '10 is "a good start" - which sounds familiar, because people were saying the same thing about '09, when Phil Frazier was supposed to bring last gen greatness and usher in a new era. It was probably said in '08 also. It seems every year someone's saying the reset button was hit and it's a new beginning. C'mon - saying people shouldn't expect Madden to equal or surpass last gen games 5yrs into next gen is having REALLY low expectations. Would we be willing to hold other developers to that same low expectation?

# 138 roadman @ 05/31/09 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22


	I agree w/you, no one should be making any definitive determinations until they've played the game. But we're basically doing no more than what's been done the past 5-6months - commenting on the information set before us. Imo if they're going to sit back and soak up the praise for early information, then it only seems fair that they'd accept criticism of early information. As far as expectations, I think they have no one to blame but themselves imo. They were playing the hype game building expectations, instead of taking the less glorious route of trying to manage them (expectations). Imo expectations should be high - they're the only NFL game available. And they've placed themselves in the position where they will be the only one for a long time. And it hasn't been one development cycle, it's been five - it's not like they're doing some sort of MVP-like reboot; they're building on work that's been done previously. I've read some people saying '10 is "a good start" - which sounds familiar, because people were saying the same thing about '09, when Phil Frazier was supposed to bring last gen greatness and usher in a new era. It was probably said in '08 also. It seems every year someone's saying the reset button was hit and it's a new beginning. C'mon - saying people shouldn't expect Madden to equal or surpass last gen games 5yrs into next gen is having REALLY low expectations. Would we be willing to hold other developers to that same low expectation?

I agree with some of this and some of it, I don't agree with.

I'm not sure where you are coming from that they were soaking up the praise for early information. I think there is some assumption on that part. I don't think the CD people went down to praise the Madden team.

As far as expectations are, everyone's expectations are at a different level. What works for you might not work for me. To put everyone in the same boat is a bit of a stretch. I still have 09, but haven't completed a season. It's boring as hell to play, but I keep it because my son loves to beat his old man. My expectations are better and improved game play, better defined pocket and greatly improved presentation. Those are the major factors for me. I still have 2k5 on the shelf and still dig it out.

Bottom line, I want Madden 10 to be much better and improved over Madden 09. I know other people keep the 2k series in mind and that is fine, but I don't. I'm aiming high, but not allowing myself to become disappointed if it doesn't have everything in but the kitchen sink. I refer back to what Ian said in February and most people must have missed this.

Everything you see on Sunday, will be seen in Madden. He immediately followed that up with Madden 10 and beyond.

Spank, I'm pretty sure you know by now I'm giving Ian and crew the benefit of the doubt at this stage. It seems other people don't want to do that and that is fine. I'll still have my son to have grudge matches with to justify my spending of $60.00 if that is ok with others.

# 139 spankdatazz22 @ 05/31/09 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	I'm not sure where you are coming from that they were soaking up the praise for early information. I think there is some assumption on that part. I don't think the CD people went down to praise the Madden team.

I didn't mention the CD team at all; wasn't thinking of them. I haven't followed the game religiously over the past 5 months, but it seems there's been little effort to level people's expectations. All the "Ian's a god!", "You guys are on fire!", "I'm gonna name my firstborn after you!" threads that proliferated over the months... there seemed to be no effort to dampen people's expectations on their part. Some have been proclaiming the game will be great for months now, just based off the hype. So imo they were just soaking it up since they were here all the time. Which is why it looks like a punk move on their part if they decide they can't be here if people aren't praising every piece of information they put out. Imo it's probably not a good idea for a dev to be so intimate with the fanbase anyway, because of the possibility of misunderstandings, or disappointment expressed that could lead to hurt feelings.

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Originally Posted by roadman


	As far as expectations are, everyone's expectations are at a different level. What works for you might not work for me. To put everyone in the same boat is a bit of a stretch. I still have 09, but haven't completed a season. It's boring as hell to play, but I keep it because my son loves to beat his old man. My expectations are better and improved game play, better defined pocket and greatly improved presentation. Those are the major factors for me. I still have 2k5 on the shelf and still dig it out.

Agreed. But whether intended or not, their community involvement approach this year increased the level of interest in this year's game and the overall expectation level. Imo it was intentional, because the general perception of the game is that it's been disappointing. I think it's that disappointment that has caused people to cite 2K5/2K8/old Maddens; the more they disappoint the more people long for alternatives. Exclusivity wouldn't be as much of an issue as it is if the games Tiburon were producing were good/great. Some like to act as if it's some huge group of disgruntled 2K fans that will never like Madden, when it's Madden fans that have become more disenchanted with the product imo.

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Originally Posted by roadman


	Bottom line, I want Madden 10 to be much better and improved over Madden 09. I know other people keep the 2k series in mind and that is fine, but I don't. I'm aiming high, but not allowing myself to become disappointed if it doesn't have everything in but the kitchen sink. I refer back to what Ian said in February and most people must have missed this. Everything you see on Sunday, will be seen in Madden. He immediately followed that up with Madden 10 and beyond. Spank, I'm pretty sure you know by now I'm giving Ian and crew the benefit of the doubt at this stage. It seems other people don't want to do that and that is fine. I'll still have my son to have grudge matches with to justify my spending of $60.00 if that is ok with others.

I've said it many times - Madden 09>08>07>06. At the very least, I would think '10 would be an improvement over '09, that's not much of an expectation at all. The problem Tiburon faces is that the game has consistently improved over it's previous version and yet many still have a sort of "meh" feeling towards the game. That's not "all 2K fans hating". There are lots of Madden (and general football fans) that are disappointed in the game too.

# 140 Swingking77 @ 05/31/09 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	Justified or not, I think people are putting too much expectations on Madden 10 surpassing or equaling last gen games. It will take more than one development cycle to equal or surpass last gen games.

Really though... Is this not the saddest statement ever made by anyone about anything. Imagine if everything in life were like that. It will take years to get back to where we were over half a decade ago... And in the computer industry, where advancements are made every six months, that's like 12 advancements ago, using technology which couldn't even function to the level the tech of today can. I can see us now in 2050 or what ever, having to unplug from the matrix just so that we can go back and play working game of football on the PS2.

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