Madden 10: Did EA Press Reset? (Joystiq)

[mccullough13]

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[MJenness]

Quote: Originally Posted by THUG-Z

That's the thing I don't understand about EA and the Madden team. Why get angry at reviews and/or people when they are voicing their likes or dislikes about a series that has been problematic yearly? Developers of the Madden series should be mad at themselves for putting out lackluster games yearly. In regard to Maden 09, I don't see how anyone can say it was a good game. That game had so many problems (two major problems stem from Freezing Franchise and unrealistic gameplay) and gave me a headache in 1 month, I got so tired and sold it.

Wow, at least I'm no the ONLY one who thinks this way. I even opened a thread (which was of course closed within minutes) asking WHY Ian decided to duck out of here until release. The comments and criticisms I read were legit....maybe HARSH, but true!

I really don't know what they expected....were we supposed to jizz all over ourselves when we saw these videos?? When, to me, there were SO many glaring issues in a very SHORT video, surely there are many more and larger problems if we saw a full game!

So, now he's (Ian) tucked tail and walked away.....makes NO sense. This is the same man who touted ALL year how we were goona' be blown away this year....HE made these promises, now he's upset because we just don't see much progress.

It's easy to "talk the talk", but now when it's time to "walk the walk", he walks AWAY!

[JEM]

Quote: Originally Posted by MattIntellect

You can't tell me that Madden 09 played like Madden 08. You can't.

I actually thought it was much worse than 08.. Matter of fact I could only stomach 2 weeks of it before I took it back for credit and got The Show. Normally I can make it through 1 or 2 seasons of Madden before being bored stiff / tired of the arcade and unrealistic aspects.

As for Joystiq.. I dont read them but they have said the same thing many here have said.. Maybe the new guys can bring the game back to sim land but I am not getting high hopes as long as Tiburon is involved.. Its time to cut them loose. And the horrible engine they use.. Not a good engine for a next gen Football game.

[Nintari]

Quote: Originally Posted by JEM

I actually thought it was much worse than 08.. Matter of fact I could only stomach 2 weeks of it before I took it back for credit and got The Show. Normally I can make it through 1 or 2 seasons of Madden before being bored stiff / tired of the arcade and unrealistic aspects. As for Joystiq.. I dont read them but they have said the same thing many here have said.. Maybe the new guys can bring the game back to sim land but I am not getting high hopes as long as Tiburon is involved.. Its time to cut them loose. And the horrible engine they use.. Not a good engine for a next gen Football game.

I actually agree about the engine issue. The team isn't really the problem IMO, it's the engine. Take a look at 2k8. It's gameplay is superior to Madden and that's all thanks to VC's engine.

Of course, reinventing a new engine this late in the game would cause some serious issues/hiccups, but it's probably the only way Madden will ever get back to the PS2 games of the past.

[JEM]

Quote: Originally Posted by kjcheezhead

Is protak responsible for wr/db jostling? If it is than this vid is missing 2 major components to the final game imo. That jostling is supposed to help level the playing field so slower but talented dbs can cover a fast wr who is otherwise below avg. Why would ea release this as the first gameplay footage if it is missing such crucial pieces?

Wait a sec... So Pro Tak is just there to cover poor core game design? Makes sense as " Lead Blocker control " was there to try and hide the very very bad line play or a stupid FB who would forget to block.

Looks like people are already falling for the next " Madden Feature " that really isnt a feature but an attempt to hide poor design. Par for the course.

[lgxjames]

ya know ian has a blog about the engine topic, looks like some shud check it out

[shift9k]

Quote: Originally Posted by MJenness

It's easy to "talk the talk", but now when it's time to "walk the walk", he walks AWAY!

wierd isnt it?

[Swingking77]

There really needed to be more customer support as far as patchs went last year. There were so many issues in that game that just didn't work as they should have. From time clock issues, to glarring issues like the QB cheat and FB dives which to this day still run rampant in the games... Freezing! Complete freezing in games, durring loading, and other MAJOR issues last year were a total short comming and really put a nail in the coffin for most people who really did give the game a try... But that was all last year!

I find it odd though that Ian would have left on such short notice. There must have been something said at some point in time which must have struck a nerve. Be it a personal attack or simply people not buying into what he was trying to sell. Maybe there really isn't anything more to say. Nothing with more impact to sell... Maybe what we see is what we get and since there's no more dog and pony show to sell, why keep taking the abuse which will no doubt keep comming. Either way, the end result was the same. He's gone, or so someone has said, since I haven't read anything from him directly on the board...

The one constant that I find funny though is that the entier "wait for it, wait for it" maybe never arrived. And now that something that they thought was going to be huge, like Co-Op, has fallen on the floor with a thud, it's time to bail out... I'm not saying that's the case, but everytime that something new comes out about the game, something touted as being huge in their eyes came out, people took it as nice to have this year, but not something that really makes that much of a big deal in the end. I tend to agree with whom ever said increase the production cycle. Add a year, giving more time to develop stuff that matters. Heck you could even charge for the new years DLC rosters if you need that much money. But at the very least, give us a game that works. Playing a busted game with two people at once just means that two more people are going to be mad when it freezes or if they get screwed over by cheap plays...

Thus far, I'm excited. It LOOKS great. It looks like things are headed in the right direction. Playing it will be the determining factor, I think for most people. People should rent it first, and play it for a solid week. Based on what you see, you should then decide to buy it or pass on it... The Gamespots aren't even giving out extra stuff for pre-orders of Madden anymore, so why bother. By it on merit. Not out of compulsion.

This year, however, as a strategy I've heard from several sources, the complaints about Madden will not be headed only to EA's customer service, but to the NFL, it's an official NFL product and as such, they must be held accountable for the products they licence. At the very least, we have two years. This one, the next one, and then pending a new deal, 2012... Just in time for the world to end...