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Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

07:32 PM - May 26, 2009 by iamemmittsmith

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# 241 KensaiKatai @ 05/28/09 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWatcher


	You can point to any QB and bring up a game where they played poorly and still won the game from Sammy Baugh, to Johnny Unitas, to Joe Montana. This means nothing. Secondly, Vinatieri did not win all 3 Super Bowls. For starters, a kicker has to be put into position to make the kick. A kicker can't make an 80+ yarder, lol. Brady put him into position to make those kicks. Secondly, the games were TIED in the 2 Super Bowls where the kicks were needed. Thirdly, Super Bowl 39 was not won by a field goal. It was won by 3 points yes, but that's because garbage Dexter Reid gave up a late TD when the Pats were up 24-14. Also, before Moss, Brady had a year where he led the league in TD passes and another where he led the league in passing yards. Game managers never lead the league in anything. To call Brady a game manager is absurd. Your claim doesn't line up with game footage. Trent Dilfer was a game manager. Brady wasn't asked to just not screw it up, he was asked to make clutch throws because that's what he's always been capable of. Super Bowl 36, they could've sat on the ball and went to overtime, even John Madden thought this is what they'd do. They didn't. Instead, Brady (a first-year starter) threw, drove them downfield and put them into position for the winning FG. Super Bowl 38, again, he set the Super Bowl record for completions against one of the leagues best defenses, and plenty of those throws were downfield passes and tight passes. And once again, he threw on a final drive, same outcome. Win. Super Bowl 42, clutch throws again on a final drive and this time it was a TD pass. Eli had his own, but had Eli not we'd still be talking about Brady's final drive. I'm sorry man, but you're just making this stuff up in your head because you hate Tom Brady, but it's not based in fact. Brady has had so many games where he's been called on to make the clutch throws it's hard to keep count now.

i understand what your saying in us not giving him enough credit, but i think your giving him too much..what happens if vinatieri misses...then what??

edit: for the record i'm a brady fan being a michigan lover, but the tuck rule...all this crap with spygate...when the play breaks down he's nowhere to be found..facts are facts..i'd LOVE to see brady on the raiders and see if he would of had any success at all..he was perfect for the system and he did his job..as any good football player should..but he wouldn't be able to do his job in ANY system..like a great player would..that's the point i'm trying to make.

# 242 roadman @ 05/28/09 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KensaiKatai


	i understand what your saying in us not giving him enough credit, but i think your giving him too much..what happens if vinatieri misses...then what?? edit: for the record i'm a brady fan being a michigan lover, but the tuck rule...all this crap with spygate...when the play breaks down he's nowhere to be found..facts are facts..i'd LOVE to see brady on the raiders and see if he would of had any success at all..he was perfect for the system and he did his job..as any good football player should..but he wouldn't be able to do his job in ANY system..like a great player would..that's the point i'm trying to make.

I understand what you are saying, but you can't blame Brady for the Tuck Rule or Spygate. It's just because he is associated with both.

Did Brady make the call? Did he write the rule?

Spygate, that is all on his coach, not Brady.

Plus, we don't know if Brady wouldn't succeed in any other system, that is all pure speculation.

# 243 Obelysk @ 05/28/09 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	To be perfectly honest, I would be a horrible European. I've been there. It's WAY too cold for me. Cool stuff there, lots of history, but I live for the sunshine and there's precious little of it in Europe. Witty banter aside, and back tot he discussion, you and some other posters seem to misunderstand me. I do NOT have an "anti-Brady" bias. Brady is the best at what he does. My bias is against the NFL's rules that produced a fraud like Tom Brady in the first place. If the rules are fair, and offenses have to play on the same level as defenses in the NFL, the Tom Brady's of the world never come into being. He goes into coaching and someone more talented becomes a QB. Unfortunately, offenses are getting a free pass and the result is a bunch of massively overrated system QBs are taking the NFL by storm. Imagine that after the Bulls won their first 2 championships in the 1990s the NBA banned them from dunking and shooting 3 pointers. Not the whole NBA, just the Bulls in order to make it more fair for the rest of the league. Instead of winning 6 championships, now maybe they only win 3. Would you respect the teams that beat the Bulls, knowing that the rules were adjusted just to slow them down? This is EXACTLY what has happened to NFL defenses. They have had their hands tied, and offenses have been given the green light to blatantly cheat in order to succeed. Thus, all of these so called "records" are fake. It would be like allowing offensive players to take steroids, but not defenses. If that happened, would you respect all these passing records? Probably not. So what's the difference between giving someone a chemically induced unfair advantage and giving someone rule based unfair advantage?

You say you have no bais againts Brady yet you call him a "fraud." Look there is ZERO proof that Brady would not succeed if they took away roughing the passer, or the little cushions that the WRS get but that was becuase we beat the snot out of the Colts. I actually agree with you on the stance that the offenses get waaaaaay too much pampering, I am more of a defensive minded person actually and its highly furstrating seeing the amount of bias that offenses get.

# 244 roadman @ 05/28/09 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	To be perfectly honest, I would be a horrible European. I've been there. It's WAY too cold for me. Cool stuff there, lots of history, but I live for the sunshine and there's precious little of it in Europe. Witty banter aside, and back tot he discussion, you and some other posters seem to misunderstand me. I do NOT have an "anti-Brady" bias. Brady is the best at what he does. My bias is against the NFL's rules that produced a fraud like Tom Brady in the first place. If the rules are fair, and offenses have to play on the same level as defenses in the NFL, the Tom Brady's of the world never come into being. He goes into coaching and someone more talented becomes a QB. Unfortunately, offenses are getting a free pass and the result is a bunch of massively overrated system QBs are taking the NFL by storm. Imagine that after the Bulls won their first 2 championships in the 1990s the NBA banned them from dunking and shooting 3 pointers. Not the whole NBA, just the Bulls in order to make it more fair for the rest of the league. Instead of winning 6 championships, now maybe they only win 3. Would you respect the teams that beat the Bulls, knowing that the rules were adjusted just to slow them down? This is EXACTLY what has happened to NFL defenses. They have had their hands tied, and offenses have been given the green light to blatantly cheat in order to succeed. Thus, all of these so called "records" are fake. It would be like allowing offensive players to take steroids, but not defenses. If that happened, would you respect all these passing records? Probably not. So what's the difference between giving someone a chemically induced unfair advantage and giving someone rule based unfair advantage?

So, the system and the rules are unfair to you and Brady is a still a fraud? It's all subjective whether the rules are fair or not. Sounds like your blaming the Tuck Rule and calling out Brady for being a fraud because of the Tuck Rule.

It isn't smash mouth football anymore, that was a different time and a different era. Brady is over-rated because he isn't a QB of yesteryear?

The game changes from decade to decade.

If you don't have an agenda or bias against Brady, knock off the fraud crap.

The system or rules don't suit you, find another sport to rally around, like baseball. There is a game where the rules have never changed and frauds like Paul Molitor , Trever Hoffman, Kent Tukulve, Rollie Fingers, and Bruce Sutter because there never was a DH rule and save specialist didn't come into the 70's.

All the above players are over-rated HOF's (except Tukulve, threw him in there because of the Pirates) that are system players only. They couldn't survive in the Hank Aaron or Babe Ruth, era.

# 245 rbowlden @ 05/28/09 01:37 PM

WOW, no love for my giants!? Jacobs is the only one on the team in the top ten, and he is #9, not looking good...

# 246 Americas Team1 @ 05/28/09 02:21 PM

WTF no Barber?

# 247 Americas Team1 @ 05/28/09 02:22 PM

I think the ratings guys are a bunch of Cowboys haters.

# 248 roadman @ 05/28/09 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	Where did I say anything about the "tuck rule"? Here's my position on the passing rules: 1) Throwing the ball away is cheating. Moreover it's a display of cowardice. Rule should be removed, and intentional grounding should be strictly enforced. This includes throwing the ball at a receiver's feet, and throwing the ball out of the end zone to avoid a sack. 2) Sliding is cowardice. Rule should be removed. 3) The five yard chuck rule is a joke, no one should be running down field unopposed. Pushing, shoving, and the offensive push-off should all be legal. Holding, and hitting someone you're not engaged with (head hunting) are the only things that should be fouls. 4) Cut blocking ACTUALLY IS dangerous and should be banned for safety reasons. 5) Touching the QB's helmet after swatting at his pass should not be a roughing call. 6) Hitting the QB below the waist (new Brady rule) should not be a roughing call. 7) If defensive pass interference is going to be a spot foul, making it a devastating call, then offensive pass interference should be a loss of down penalty making it equally devastating. 8) Enforce the existing rule against pick plays. This rule is on the books, but by edict of the NFL brass it is not enforced. It should be. Pick plays are offensive pass interference, and pass interference is cheating. Will this lower the scoring? Yes, but football was never meant to be a high scoring game. That was a marketing decision made to sell more tickets. If you really want more scoring to make the game more exciting to casual fans, don't make the rules unfair, just make a first down 5 yards instead of 10. Then the scores will be higher, turnovers will be at a bigger premium, and defenses can still play at full speed.

Agree with some, disagree on some as well.

I agree with 3, 4, 5 and 8.

1. Throwing the ball away is not always avoiding the sack, especially close to the goal line. If all receivers are covered, why risk a throw and throw an INT. A mistake laden game becomes a real bore fest. I'd rather watch a 13-10 game, but if I had my choice, I'd rather watch a 28-27 game vs a game with a ton of Int's.

2 and others. We all know why sliding is accepted for the QB. It's to preserve the career of the most marketable position on the team. Don't you think Favre has preserved because of some of these rules? Would you like a Ben R or Peyton Manning become injury riddled if the rules were allowed to not protect them?

I agree to a certain point that the offense has less stringent rules vs defense, but those rules are in place for a reason. The NFL doesn't want the most marketable position on the field to have a short career because of injury issues. The NFL makes more money on a healthy marketable QB vs a injury prone QB.

Don't blame your so called over rated QB's, they play within the rules. Write letters or email Pete Rozelle or Roger Goddell. There is no need to call QB's over rated or frauds because they play within the rules of the game they represent.

# 249 roadman @ 05/28/09 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by totalownership


	Yeah looking kinda rough for us this year. I'm worried all over again for this game though, large ratings discrepancies usually equal arcade play

I disagree with that.

The arcade play was when ratings were closer together and the ratings didn't mean anything. Now, it appears they mean something.

# 250 Broncos86 @ 05/28/09 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by totalownership


	Yeah looking kinda rough for us this year. I'm worried all over again for this game though, large ratings discrepancies usually equal arcade play

Everyone will always and forever complain about the ratings. The players themselves even gripe about wanting more speed, etc. Everybody is a homer and wants to see their team rated well.

I'm rather pleased that a "70" rating is the new "80." Ratings will mean more and have a larger impact. Gaining one point will be more significant.

# 251 Americas Team1 @ 05/28/09 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by totalownership


	you're kidding right?

NO. sry but Romo has better TP then both Warner and Brees.They dropped MB3 from the top ten for Jacobs.(MB3's a Cowboy and jacobs a giant...Witten ONLY a 88 for catching,ONLY a 92 for CIT,ONLY a 75 speed? He should have about 95 catching 96 CIT and about 80 speed.And come on just give D-Ware the 99 he SHOULD have.

# 252 TheWatcher @ 05/28/09 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KensaiKatai


	i understand what your saying in us not giving him enough credit, but i think your giving him too much..what happens if vinatieri misses...then what??

Then they go to overtime. The games were tied each time.

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Originally Posted by KensaiKatai


	edit: for the record i'm a brady fan being a michigan lover, but the tuck rule...all this crap with spygate...when the play breaks down he's nowhere to be found..facts are facts..i'd LOVE to see brady on the raiders and see if he would of had any success at all..he was perfect for the system and he did his job..as any good football player should..but he wouldn't be able to do his job in ANY system..like a great player would..that's the point i'm trying to make.

Then there is no such thing as a great player. This can be said of any player who has ever achieved great things. Keep in mind that the Pats were 0 and 2 and going nowhere with Drew Bledsoe the year Brady took over. The system argument is a dead argument. If it were just the system, Drew Bledsoe should've had like 6 Super Bowl rings. Seriously guys, c'mon.

Secondly, to say he couldn't have succeeded here or there is just empty speculation and it really goes nowhere. All we know is where a player DID play and that should never be held against him. Brady could've easily sucked just like a lot of QB's did in New England, or like other players have in similar system's. Difference with Brady is that he happens to be a great player. System's don't make players, players make systems. If not, then Brock Huard would be on his 5th Super Bowl ring.

# 253 Tampa Bay @ 05/28/09 02:49 PM

I'll definitely be on the strip button when I play against the Vikings and the Niners.

# 254 AlexBrady @ 05/28/09 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	This is a misrepresentation. I said cheating by throwing the ball away and sliding is cowardice. I said no such thing about check downs. In fact, I think a QB who checks down is superior to a gunslinger who jams the ball into coverage. I just don't agree that checking down requires the "heart of a champion". I think that was some rather colorful hyperbole on your part.

Depends on the situation your checking down in. Qbs who always try to jam the ball into coverage never last.

# 255 Broncos86 @ 05/28/09 02:57 PM

If it's in the rules, it's not cheating.
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QBs who do not slide will hear about it from their coaches.

# 256 steelers1 @ 05/28/09 03:04 PM

I agreed with a lot of the stuff Shotgun STyles had said until he said anybody could have replaced Brady (I think he's the one that said that) and throwing the ball away is cheating and all of that.

EVERY QB throws the ball away. And you said throwing the ball at a receivers feet should be illegal? How do you judge whether it was a bad throw or on purpose? The rules have changed and you have to accept that.

Also you said Brady never takes chances... that's really not true. I hold the belief that he is a 'dink-dunk' passer as well, but that's not to say he never throws down the field. Especially in '07. There were several times he would just chuck up a pass to a double covered Moss and pray for the catch (and it worked usually.... see the first half of the 1st Dolphins game that year). You seem to believe that Brady is a short-passer who throws the ball away and avoids contact because he is a coward whereas I just believe the Belichick system is catered to shorter easier throws that depend on YAC (it is really a very good system).

Also in the 2 Super Bowl game winning FG drives. When the game is tied, it would be insane to go deep or go for the TD. You want to get into FG range and run the clock down so that if you miss, they don't have a chance to score and you can go to OT. This has nothing to do with modern defensive rules; this is how you play football. And it does take, to some extent, some heroics and confidence to be able to lead a team to that winning FG. I've never tried to knock Brady for that. He got it done. He didn't need a TD, he needed a FG, and he got his team in position for it.

The only thing is that I do think he seems to get ALL the credit. And I think that his last drives to get into FG range blown out of proportion by many people. The game was tied, so if they don't score, they still have overtime. That's why it's so much more impressive if you are actually losing the game at the time, or even more so if you need a TD to win. If you don't get there, you lose. And we haven't really seen Brady in that situation. In SB 42 his 'woulda been' TD drive wasn't really last minute or anything. It was clutch, no doubt, but I'd like to see him do what Eli had to do or Roethlisberger the next year (I wouldn't actually enjoy it if he did, but I'd like to see if he could do it).

Here's the bottom line from my perspective: I don't like the guy. He is a great QB. He is not the greatest QB, in my opinion. He was clutch in his Super Bowls and is a clutch QB in general, especially in the playoffs, but I don't think he is the clutchest QB, and he really hasn't had the right opportunities to prove that he is. And that's not his fault.

# 257 Broncos86 @ 05/28/09 03:09 PM

I think part of this is Belichick's system. I'm not going to suggest that Brady isn't a good QB, or a great QB. But the system doesn't ask Brady to make a lot of hard plays. As Steelers1 said, it's about YAC.

Look at the Broncos past running game. Every RB was told that you make one cut and then run downhill. The system doesn't ask you to do a lot, in terms of athletics. If you follow the system, and execute the plan, you're not required. Put someone like Barry Sanders in this kind of system, and I doubt you would've seen the sheer brilliance and greatness that we all witnessed. He would've followed the system, and that was that.

This could very well be the case for Brady.

# 258 Tampa Bay @ 05/28/09 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	Yeah, that Brett Favre was a real flash in the pan...

Besides the whole cannon arm thing, Brett was actually known for being very good at taking his check downs and having great accuracy on short throws. He came up in Holmgren's west coast style system.

# 259 Tombstone Jackson @ 05/28/09 03:28 PM

How the hell is Adrian Peterson only 95 speed???????? Nobody can catch him from behind..

That is borderline ******** for him to not have 99 or 100 speed.

69 CAR????? So he is some sort of scat back now that can't handle 25 carries?????

What the hell is wrong with these Madden programmers?

# 260 Tampa Bay @ 05/28/09 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone Jackson


	How the hell is Adrian Peterson only 95 speed???????? Nobody can catch him from behind.. That is borderline ******** for him to not have 99 or 100 speed. What the hell is wrong with these Madden programmers?

I don't think he's faster than Chris Johnson is he? That's the type of speed that gets a coveted 99 now, and 95 speed is probably plenty enough to not get caught from behind in the actual game.

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