07:32 PM - May 26, 2009 by iamemmittsmithMadden 2010 News Post
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As far as westbrook and people not being able to cover him that is not because of his speed but rather because of how quickly he can start and stop and how quickly he can reach that speed.
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Glorious Arc @ 06/05/09 02:42 AM
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Anyway, the only area where I think he is greatly overrated out of what I have seen so far is speed. He is not a top back in terms of speed, more in the upper portion of average. He looks fast because of his great acceleration where he hits top speed so quickly allowing him to cover those first 15 or 20 yards faster than most players around him.
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One more thing on brady leading the league in yards once and tds once before having moss, I will point out both of those were the lowest league leading numbers for those stats since tom started. Actually it is the lowest yards total to lead the league since 1997 and the lowest td total to lead since 92. From the 98 season forward an average of 2.55 players topped toms league leading yard total each year and an average of 2.73 players topped his league leading TD total. It wasn't that he had great years, just that the league average was down.
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Micheal Turner and Tony Gonzalez, I think i might actually play with the falcons this year.
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adembroski @ 06/05/09 09:16 PM
I find this thread shocking. Truly shocking.
Regarding the various QB arguments, I'm going to ignore all of them but the Brady vs. Manning one, because it's the only valid one. There are two starting QBs in the league right now that are no-questions-asked first ballot Hall of Famers, and neither of them wear a nameplate that reaches their shoulders.
"Clutch throws"? Easy answer to that; it doesn't matter how you win, only that you win. And Tom Brady has done more of that than any other QB in the league right now. If not for David Tyree, we wouldn't be having this argument. Back around '98, there was a young QB in the league that people thought was the next Joe Montana. His name was Jake Plummer. And he got that reputation on the basis that he was pulling off miracle comeback wins late in games with regularity... what people failed to realize at that time was that Jake Plummer was the primary reason the team was trailing at that time.
Tom Brady doesn't have a library of game winning last second pin-point touchdowns on his resume because he hasn't needed to make them. He doesn't let the team get in a position where he has too. If you doubt his ability to make plays when they're necessary, see all of his Superbowl victories (including the loss, which he was not responsible for... in fact, he was the reason the game was close).
I saw someone put together a nice little scouting report of all the things Tom Brady does poorly. It was almost entirely inaccurate... except the part about having trouble throwing while running left (which is a common trait, I have noticed, among right handed QBs). Tom Brady doesn't have to make a lot of throws on the run or under pressure because he knows how to make little adjustments in the pocket... one step right, one step up... he feels it. He knows when it's time to get rid of the ball. Much like Montana.
Tom Brady is not Joe Montana, but he's the closest thing you youngans will ever see. It's deceptive... he's so good, he doesn't even look that good. He just picks you apart yard by yard, and you never even think he's having that great of a game until it's over and you've gotten your *** handed too you.
Now, as far as Manning... Manning's a lot more like a Marino or an Aikman than Montana. Still a great QB though, and he does it the way Marino did... with great pocket sense and timing. He doesn't have the footwork of a Tom Brady, but he's got a great release.
As for ratings... Manning has the stronger arm, but Brady's more accurate to all levels. Brady has outstanding technique, so he can air it out pretty good, but he doesn't have the laser Manning does (Brady is a pretty good case study of why I think there should be Throwing Range and Throwing Velocity ratings rather than just Throwing Power). Of course, Manning has some release issues, so his balls tend to come out like wounded ducks. He still manages to put them where they belong, but they'll flutter a bit on the deep throws... hence, while Manning has the stronger arm, Brady is the more accurate deep passer. Which is more valuable on the deep throws is debatable, as Mannings get there a lot quicker.
Brady has better touch as well. This is often a byproduct of accuracy. Guys with good accuracy tend to have good touch... might be the other way around, not sure of the causation, but there's definitely a coloration.
Overall, I have a hard time not giving them pretty equal ratings. He's more accurate, slightly more mobile, and has a tighter throw. Manning has great command of the playbook and the field, feels the rush perhaps a bit better, gets the ball out quicker, and has a stronger arm. If leadership, clutch play, and touch were rated in Madden, Brady would take it.
Regarding the various QB arguments, I'm going to ignore all of them but the Brady vs. Manning one, because it's the only valid one. There are two starting QBs in the league right now that are no-questions-asked first ballot Hall of Famers, and neither of them wear a nameplate that reaches their shoulders.
"Clutch throws"? Easy answer to that; it doesn't matter how you win, only that you win. And Tom Brady has done more of that than any other QB in the league right now. If not for David Tyree, we wouldn't be having this argument. Back around '98, there was a young QB in the league that people thought was the next Joe Montana. His name was Jake Plummer. And he got that reputation on the basis that he was pulling off miracle comeback wins late in games with regularity... what people failed to realize at that time was that Jake Plummer was the primary reason the team was trailing at that time.
Tom Brady doesn't have a library of game winning last second pin-point touchdowns on his resume because he hasn't needed to make them. He doesn't let the team get in a position where he has too. If you doubt his ability to make plays when they're necessary, see all of his Superbowl victories (including the loss, which he was not responsible for... in fact, he was the reason the game was close).
I saw someone put together a nice little scouting report of all the things Tom Brady does poorly. It was almost entirely inaccurate... except the part about having trouble throwing while running left (which is a common trait, I have noticed, among right handed QBs). Tom Brady doesn't have to make a lot of throws on the run or under pressure because he knows how to make little adjustments in the pocket... one step right, one step up... he feels it. He knows when it's time to get rid of the ball. Much like Montana.
Tom Brady is not Joe Montana, but he's the closest thing you youngans will ever see. It's deceptive... he's so good, he doesn't even look that good. He just picks you apart yard by yard, and you never even think he's having that great of a game until it's over and you've gotten your *** handed too you.
Now, as far as Manning... Manning's a lot more like a Marino or an Aikman than Montana. Still a great QB though, and he does it the way Marino did... with great pocket sense and timing. He doesn't have the footwork of a Tom Brady, but he's got a great release.
As for ratings... Manning has the stronger arm, but Brady's more accurate to all levels. Brady has outstanding technique, so he can air it out pretty good, but he doesn't have the laser Manning does (Brady is a pretty good case study of why I think there should be Throwing Range and Throwing Velocity ratings rather than just Throwing Power). Of course, Manning has some release issues, so his balls tend to come out like wounded ducks. He still manages to put them where they belong, but they'll flutter a bit on the deep throws... hence, while Manning has the stronger arm, Brady is the more accurate deep passer. Which is more valuable on the deep throws is debatable, as Mannings get there a lot quicker.
Brady has better touch as well. This is often a byproduct of accuracy. Guys with good accuracy tend to have good touch... might be the other way around, not sure of the causation, but there's definitely a coloration.
Overall, I have a hard time not giving them pretty equal ratings. He's more accurate, slightly more mobile, and has a tighter throw. Manning has great command of the playbook and the field, feels the rush perhaps a bit better, gets the ball out quicker, and has a stronger arm. If leadership, clutch play, and touch were rated in Madden, Brady would take it.
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Tombstone Jackson @ 06/05/09 09:22 PM
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Do us all a favor and never log into this site again..
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adembroski @ 06/05/09 10:17 PM
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Anyways, I hate to inform you, but every NFL team and quarterback play with the same rules, and those rules have been fairly consistent since 1978. Other quarterbacks are unable to match Manning and Brady's accomplishments with the same rules, and in most cases until the last 2 years, better talent around them than Brady.
Tom Brady is NOT the reason the patriots kept their last super bowl close. When the "Most prolific" offense in history musters 14 points you can't possibly say that he was the reason they were in it til the end. It was their defense. I simply stopped reading your post after that because your logic fails.
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cowboyscowboys @ 06/05/09 10:35 PM
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Glorious Arc @ 06/05/09 11:37 PM
@ adembroski
I almost agree with you on all accounts with your post about Brady VS Manning. I feel that Manning is more accurate in the middle range then Brady but otherwise Brady is slightly more accurate on shorter and longer passes. But both of them are so close to each other in accuracy its only a 1-3 point difference. The only reason why they may have brought Brady down was because he was hurt.
On my arguement with Russel and Brady I was taking the strongest arm currently in the NFL and comparing what he can do IRL and what Brady can do IRL. I was then saying comparing how they would perform in the game.
Its obvious the Russel has a MUCH stronger arm then brady(5-10 points stronger). Yet so many homers think Brady should be in a 2-3 point range of Russels arm.
Russel has a one in a billion arm. That is right...Not million but billion. I may be overstating it a little but I hope that gets reflected in Madden as such. No one in the league is currently in 5-10 yards of how far Russel can throw and only a couple are clsoe to how much zip he can put on the ball. I will be slightly upset if I use him and I cant throw the ball 70-80 yards.
I almost agree with you on all accounts with your post about Brady VS Manning. I feel that Manning is more accurate in the middle range then Brady but otherwise Brady is slightly more accurate on shorter and longer passes. But both of them are so close to each other in accuracy its only a 1-3 point difference. The only reason why they may have brought Brady down was because he was hurt.
On my arguement with Russel and Brady I was taking the strongest arm currently in the NFL and comparing what he can do IRL and what Brady can do IRL. I was then saying comparing how they would perform in the game.
Its obvious the Russel has a MUCH stronger arm then brady(5-10 points stronger). Yet so many homers think Brady should be in a 2-3 point range of Russels arm.
Russel has a one in a billion arm. That is right...Not million but billion. I may be overstating it a little but I hope that gets reflected in Madden as such. No one in the league is currently in 5-10 yards of how far Russel can throw and only a couple are clsoe to how much zip he can put on the ball. I will be slightly upset if I use him and I cant throw the ball 70-80 yards.
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