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Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

07:32 PM - May 26, 2009 by iamemmittsmith

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# 181 KensaiKatai @ 05/27/09 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PGaither84


	Those who know me, know I am a big Tom Brady fan... and I honestly think they mixed Manning and Brady's ratings up. Manning should have higher THP and THAD. Tommy should have higher THAS and THAM. Tom should have 92 THP, or 90 after the injury. I thought that in 07 he should have capped out at the 94-96 range, not at 99. He is known for his ability to put the ball where he wants to, and he throws near perfect short and medium passes. He can throw a good deep ball, but Moss is just as much the reason there were so many deep completions. I am surprised Westbrook is so overrated, Frank gore is slightly underrated [his trucking should be a lot higher and elusive a tad lower. carry just right until he shows he can hold on to the ball.] I am upset that Vernon Davis didn't make the top 10 [concidering Z. Miller did...] and wish there was a better break down defensively. At leat all Line, all LBs, and all secondary.

+2 these ratings are just all around wrong..i hope it's just a glitch in the matrix..

# 182 PantherBeast_OS @ 05/27/09 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by celg35


	I'm a huge patriots fan, but i don't see brady's arm strength greater than manning or Big Ben. ummm

I hate when they try to make brady look better then he is. Brady and manning is on the same level playing feild.

# 183 Obelysk @ 05/27/09 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Derrville


	i think the rating system is too heavily based on TP, if they move Brady's TP down his rating will be down and that just cant happen with the almighty Brady.

The man has earned the rating, although I can't say the same for the throwing power, but is accuracy is kind of low.

# 184 kjcheezhead @ 05/27/09 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	Greg Jennings? Really? BETTER than Terrell Owens? REALLY? No one past Moss on your list is better than T.O. Roddy White is a one year wonder, and does not belong on this list.

This year, right now? Yes I would say Greg Jennings is better. IF TO is better than every one than Moss, why did Dallas cut him? Why did the small market team with the least money to spend on FAs get him?

# 185 steelers1 @ 05/27/09 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Obelysk


	Interesting because the Steelers had 506 passing attempts compared to their 460 rushing attempts. Dink and dunk huh? in 2007 Brady was 2nd with Passes over 40 yards (behind Farve) and 1st with passes of over 20 yards. Okay may be its not fair since all we did in 2007 was pass right? Lets look at other years shall we? In 2006 when Brady had Cadwell and Gaffney as his #1 and #2 WRs he was 8th in passes of over 20 yards (manning 4th) and 8th in passes of over 40 yards (Manning 14h). 2005, Brady was 6th in passes of over 20 yards (Manning 1st) and 4th in passes of over 40 yards (Manning was 15th). Again in 2004 Brady was 6th in passes of over 20 yards (Manning 1st) and 5th in passes of over 40 yards (Manning 4th). I am sorry that is not "dinkin and dunkin." As far as pressure they are good but yes when the pocket completely collapses they are not nearly as effective, but I do have to say that our line is not as good as people think. After Brady went down our oline procedeed to give up the most sacks in the league, coinciden? Or did Brady make them look better than they are? Manning also playe all of his home games in a dome, and 1 more against the Texans, that is a total of 9 games in a dome while Brady played only 1 (in Indy) in a dome. Brady also did it against better defenses than Manning did:

First off, I wasn't saying anything about domes, or defenses Manning/Brady played. I was saying how Brady was still in the game and throwing when he shouldn't have been, and while Manning was guilty of that at times in 04, wasn't nearly as bad about it. However, I will say Brady didn't have to play in much bad weather. He did against the Jets and went 14-27 for 140 yards with a pick. I feel like weather and defenses were somewhat of a non factor.

As for the Steelers throwing more than running last year... yeah that is true. And the past two years they have been trying a different scheme (Bruce Arians the new OC... who I hate). But if you watched the games, you will see they still tried (usually unsuccessfully) to run the ball in the games. The majority of those pass attempts were on 3rd downs and in 4th quarters. It was just in the case of 5 games last year, the Steelers had to throw a LOT do to not being able to run and losing. Roethlisberger threw between 39 and 41 passes (excluding sacks) against the Jags (had to lead last minute drive as well and played from behind all night), Colts (Roethlisberger had 2 awful picks that forced the Steelers into a failed last minute drive that ended with a hail mary being picked off in the endzone), SD (this was a legit pass first offensive gameplan), Ravens (last minute drive), and Titans (played from behind and lost). The other 11 games of the year Roethlisberger attempted 26.4 passes per game (including sacks).

I still stand behind the dink and dunk statements. 20+ and 40+ yard passes aren't always through the air. And yeah, Brady did throw quite a few bombs to Moss that year. That is basically the first time in his career he had done so. But even then, that whole season was the definition of dink-dunking. Except he had good receivers this year, and masters of YAC (Faulk, Welker). I'd always been interested in that subject and last year I wanted to prove to myself that the Pats were a din-dunk team. I set up a spreadsheet and used Yahoo sports stats (they're the only ones I've found with receiver YAC) and came up with the 'air yards' for various QBs in seasons:

Tom Brady 2007-6.97 air yards/completion
Roethlisberger 2007-7.52 air yds/completion
P Manning 2007-7.2 air yds/completion
P Manning 2004-8.27 air yds/completion
Culpepper 2004-6.27 air yds completion

(those are the ones I did back then, and I would almost guarantee that Brady in 2007 had a personal career high in air yards. Also I know Roethlisberger had better stats his first couple years for sure, but I did these in 07 and wanted to compare the current stats). As you can also see, Culpepper was a dink-dunker too when he threw 40+ TDs.

# 186 steelers1 @ 05/27/09 05:40 PM

I went back to see Brady's air yards/completion throughout his career, and I was actually wrong. He had one year (2004) where he had a higher air yds/comp than he did in 07. This was a simple copy paste thing so I could have had an error somewhere in here. This is also the numbers for the teams as a whole, so it includes the few passes not thrown by Brady in the said seasons. Anyway, here are the numbers by year.

year-air yards/completion
2001-5.31
2002-4.76
2003-6.34
2004-7.23
2005-6.66
2006-5.56
2007-6.97

When you're not even throwing the ball more than 6 yards down the field (on average), it's a lot easier to get good completion %s and low INTs. I'm not saying he's not a great QB, but he is overrated. You really have to dig into stats to get a true picture.

# 187 nepatriotsfan @ 05/27/09 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	Again, you really need to watch the film. There is nothing special about throwing the ball to HBs who are wide open in prevent defenses. It's not like Brady was having to thread the needle. Now mind you, you would have an argument if Brady had EVER won a crucial game himself. BUT HE HASN'T! When Brady needs a TD, he can't do it. He couldn't do it in the playoffs against INDY in 2006, and he couldn't do it in the SB against the Giants in 2007. Why? Because he needed more than 3 points. What was the result? He threw a pick against Indy and couldn't even get past mid-field against the Giants. Brady = Hype Film = Fact

so your basically saying any qb that drives their team into field goal range so the kicker can do what he is paid to do isnt crucial cause that is ridiculous

# 188 Obelysk @ 05/27/09 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by steelers1


	I went back to see Brady's air yards/completion throughout his career, and I was actually wrong. He had one year (2004) where he had a higher air yds/comp than he did in 07. This was a simple copy paste thing so I could have had an error somewhere in here. This is also the numbers for the teams as a whole, so it includes the few passes not thrown by Brady in the said seasons. Anyway, here are the numbers by year. year-air yards/completion 2001-5.31 2002-4.76 2003-6.34 2004-7.23 2005-6.66 2006-5.56 2007-6.97 When you're not even throwing the ball more than 6 yards down the field (on average), it's a lot easier to get good completion %s and low INTs. I'm not saying he's not a great QB, but he is overrated. You really have to dig into stats to get a true picture.

Sorry but how exactly are you getting these numbers? You said you did the math yourself right? Where did you get "air yards" from?

# 189 steelers1 @ 05/27/09 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Obelysk


	Sorry but how exactly are you getting these numbers? You said you did the math yourself right? Where did you get "air yards" from?

It's not complicated. Yahoo sports has all the Receiving stats for each team including the average YAC for each receiver. I use those numbers to get total YAC, subtract that from total passing yards, and divide by number of receptions. Here is an example for the air yards using a single receiver (Wes Welker 2007).
112 rec 1175 yds, 5.7 YAC avg.

5.7 YAC avg * 112 rec = 638 total YAC
1175 total yards - 638 YAC = 537 air yards
537 air yards/112 rec = 4.79 air yards/completion

I basically do that but use the whole set of receivers for a given year.

# 190 Candyman5 @ 05/27/09 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by iBlievN5


	I agree with your general arguement but I never understand rating players against the HOF. Those players don't play in todays NFL and Madden shouldn't consider them. Madden should be based of the players we see today. 99= best at position and bet in the NFL. It can be a couple of players at the same position. Portis has shown no breakaway speed since gaining weight.

If that is the case then lets talk about Westbrook, He has only been in the top 5 rushing yards like twice (Yes 2007 and 2006) and in them years he had 90 rec and 77 rec. If he doesn't catch balls out of the back field, he doesn't get rushing yard. I am tired of Biased Philly fans wanting him to have ratings like he has had past years. He is not very leathal running the ball and never really was. He is a threat to defenses because of the options that Westy gives the offense in how to use him. Ocassionally he can get some big runs, but that is occasionally. Exactly like Reggie Bush.

Stats: Last Year: 936 rushing yards w/ 54 rec for 402 yards.

I mean the games I have watched of philly (Unfortunately alot since I live in WV) he has had his big run games after he is used in the passing. If a team shuts down his passing aspect then he cant do anything.

# 191 Obelysk @ 05/27/09 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by steelers1


	It's not complicated. Yahoo sports has all the Receiving stats for each team including the average YAC for each receiver. I use those numbers to get total YAC, subtract that from total passing yards, and divide by number of receptions. Here is an example for the air yards using a single receiver (Wes Welker 2007). 112 rec 1175 yds, 5.7 YAC avg. 5.7 YAC avg * 112 rec = 638 total YAC 1175 total yards - 638 YAC = 537 air yards 537 air yards/112 rec = 4.79 air yards/completion I basically do that but use the whole set of receivers for a given year.

I am sure you take into account 3rd string TEs and RBs and 5th WRs as well right?

# 192 steelers1 @ 05/27/09 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NovaStar


	No, you need to watch the film. How many qb's in the superbowl have led their team to game winning drives? In the five situations that Brady has participated in, he has won 3 and lost 2. The 3 would consist of 3 Superbowl rings of course, and the two would be the final game of an 18-0 season, in the superbowl with appoximately a minute and some change on the clock. The other would be on the road, with inferior receivers against on paper, a vastly superior team. A year inwhich it was a miracle that they even got to the AFC championship game, let alone having an opportunity to win it. The fact that they got that far is a bigger testimony to Brady's greatness, as opposed to your short sighted perception, attempting to spin it as a weakness. Rings= champion 3rings = greatness greatness = Brady Get your math game tight!

Saying Brady is great in his wins is completely understandable, and it's not his fault that he only needed FGs to win the Super Bowls. But defending him in his losses is a bit much. He threw a redzone pick against Denver that Champ Bailey returned 100 yards back to the Pats 1 yard line in the Divisional Round in 2006 which pretty much sealed the game for Denver, he threw a game losing INT to the Colts (and don't even try to say the Colts were vastly superior... they had a HORRIBLE defense that season, although they tightened up in the playoffs) and the Super Bowl he actually did have a go ahead TD to Moss, but left too much time on the clock. But Brady is also very lucky. I remember a game against the Chargers in the playoffs where Brady threw a pick and the defender fumbled it and the Pats recovered and then they went down the field to get the score and win the game. And as far as luck, the tuck rule is obviously the first thing you think of. And this is completely leaving out Spygate...

# 193 steelers1 @ 05/27/09 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Obelysk


	I am sure you take into account 3rd string TEs and RBs and 5th WRs as well right?

I used every single receiver that caught a pass in each respective season and used Excel to calculate the numbers. They are correct. I'm an engineer and I'm more than capable of performing simple arithmetic. If you want to do it yourself, just use this website and change the years to get the numbers you want.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nwe/stats

# 194 Sanchez_Mareno @ 05/27/09 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexBrady


	Lol, I'll give you some of my real observations after watching much Brady gametape from 06 and 07 (since he reached his peak during those years). It won't include the copout phrase "HE IS A SYSTEM QB"! His weaknesses are as follows: -He will throw off his back foot and his ball will sail high -He is terrible at throwing on the run or when he is forced left -His accuracy in the middle portion of the field is mediocre -He tends to throw late over the middle and will force passes over the middle that just are not there -Leadfooted and not a running threat -Has a hitch in his delivery

Im sure Wes Welker would disagree

# 195 PGaither84 @ 05/27/09 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by shotgun styles


	Again, you really need to watch the film. There is nothing special about throwing the ball to HBs who are wide open in prevent defenses. It's not like Brady was having to thread the needle. Now mind you, you would have an argument if Brady had EVER won a crucial game himself. BUT HE HASN'T! When Brady needs a TD, he can't do it. He couldn't do it in the playoffs against INDY in 2006, and he couldn't do it in the SB against the Giants in 2007. Why? Because he needed more than 3 points. What was the result? He threw a pick against Indy and couldn't even get past mid-field against the Giants. Brady = Hype Film = Fact

Normally I like what you have to say [even if I don't agree] shotgun styles, but this... this was bad.

You really need to slow down and check your facts before you post things like this. The fact of the matter is that Brady drove his team down for a TD on his final "real" drive. Then, Manning took over and the Giants coverted a 4th and 1, a 3rd and long, got lucky twice that he wasn't picked, had the David Tyree catch, and finished with a great TD to Plex. Brady took over with under 40 seconds and one time out. Oh, and he threw two strikes to Moss in stride that MOSS failed to catch. he then got sacked and had a last second lob hail marry play. If Moss catches EITHER of those two bombs the past can take the final Time out and try for the tie. I have the superbowl and the prior year's AFC championship game of VHS and I watch them from time to time... heartbreaking.

In the AFC championship game you are also ignoring how sloppy both teams played. In that game I saw not only did one Offensive lineman recover a fumble for a TD, but it happened twice in that game [once for each team]. Also, with an 18 point lead at the half, Indy played VERY well and burned the life out of the clock in the comback to tire out the D. No excuses, Indy played great. Tom did his job and his recivers failed him several times [which is why they spent big money and trades for Stallworth, Welker and Moss.] Brady, however did throw that pick at mid field, and the Colts rightfully took that game. However, this isn't a failure of Tom, but a great game and great COMBACK by Manning and the Colts. When Manning played Brady in the post season the prior two times, Manning threw 4 and 3 picks respectively and those games weren't even competative.

Over and over again Tom can manage a game and run that offense. People like to watch Manning throw bombs for big gain, and are bored by Brady's dump off passes and big formations ran by NE. The point in the end is to win the game, not please the crowd. Brady knows how to win [but you cannot win them all (would the dolphins have won 18+ in a row?)].

Given the history, I would rather have Tom Brady than Manning. The primary reason is that manning gets arrogant and over-thinks himself. How many times have we seen Manning make terrible mistakes to cost his teams games when things are tough compared to coming through? [to be fair these last 3 years he has truely matured and has changed that] compare to Tom Brady who knows how to maintain a close game and control the tempo and finds ways to win more often than he doesn't.

You liek stats? tell me how many TD/INTs Brady and Manning have thrown in the Post season and the Superbowl [seperatly] and tell me who has played better in the post season in general? Manning is a FANTASTIC QB, no doubt, but he is a great regular season, fantasy football star. Brady is a winner.

# 196 jbooc13 @ 05/27/09 07:08 PM

Antonio gates and witten should have the same speed 80. jackson and westbrook should both be at 90. philip rivers should the 4th or 5th best quarterback. wheres eli ?

# 197 jbooc13 @ 05/27/09 07:10 PM

Antonio gates and witten should have the same speed 80. jackson and westbrook should both be at 90. philip rivers should the 4th or 5th best quarterback. wheres eli ? tomlinson should have 100 carry.out of all 16 games he didn fumble once.

# 198 PGaither84 @ 05/27/09 07:18 PM

I think the other problem is the concept of what does "overrated" mean? Giving Tom Brady a 97THP is overrated, giving Manning higher TAS and TAM than tom makes him "overrated." However, saying Brady and Manning are equally great QBs and amoung the best in the NFL is "overrating" Brady is ignorant.

People want to hate on a player just becasue they beat you, or some other reason. One friend of mine was talking about how he hates Brady becasue "all he does is throw short passes." Later he tells me how much he likes Chad Pennington... Yeah, he is a Steelers fan. I'm sure those AFC championship games losses and the whooping NE put on Pitt in 07 have nothing to do with him thinking Brady is overrated and hating him

Colts fan watching Indy lose to SD, and NE over and over again in the post season after a great regular season year after year breads resentment [and not and honest break down of the opposition.]

The fact of the matter is that players like McNabb, Manning and other make consistant mistakes that cost their teams games just like Romo and others. Brady get lucky [eveyone knows that], but it isn't just luck that wins games for NE. In fact there was a clip I saw on ESPN where Brady said "I'd rather be lucky than good," with a smile on his face.

As a football fan I just love to watch Colts/Pats games becasue you KNOW it will be a good one no matter what becasue you are watchign the best in the league.

# 199 steelers1 @ 05/27/09 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by celg35


	this is a ridiculous debate about tom brady....he is the best QB in football............you have to be an ignorant to see otherwise. he has all the tools and he has the most important tool....his football iQ. this argument is just nonsense......he reached his peak in 06-07???????? what, when he broke the touchdown record............name a qb who is better...............guess what you...............are wrong....................

That's your opinion. A person isn't ignorant just because they think that Peyton Manning or even Drew Brees is a better QB. I know a lot of people who believe that Brady is the product of a system. They will all say he is a great player, but they saw how Cassel did and think that if a guy who hasn't started a game since high school can put up numbers like that, it says more about the coach than the player.

# 200 Broncos86 @ 05/27/09 07:24 PM

This is just speculation, but seeing how Matt Cassel did last year, does anyone ever question if Brady could be as effective on another team? For me, Peyton Manning could be plugged into any offense and succeed. He will find a way to succeed. I'm not convinced Brady is the same. For the same reason I believe that Matt Cassel will be a dud in KC.

The same could be said for several ex-Broncos RBs who tried to go elsewhere, after having success in Denver, and turned in subpar performances. Yes, a player must execute, this much is true. But I've seen enough evidence to suggest that some players are a one-system kind of player.

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