Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

[Ewing]

Somebody is going to have to explain to me how Reggie Wayne is better than Calvin Johnson.

[steelers1]

Quote: Originally Posted by Obelysk

Interesting because the Steelers had 506 passing attempts compared to their 460 rushing attempts. Dink and dunk huh? in 2007 Brady was 2nd with Passes over 40 yards (behind Farve) and 1st with passes of over 20 yards. Okay may be its not fair since all we did in 2007 was pass right? Lets look at other years shall we? In 2006 when Brady had Cadwell and Gaffney as his #1 and #2 WRs he was 8th in passes of over 20 yards (manning 4th) and 8th in passes of over 40 yards (Manning 14h). 2005, Brady was 6th in passes of over 20 yards (Manning 1st) and 4th in passes of over 40 yards (Manning was 15th). Again in 2004 Brady was 6th in passes of over 20 yards (Manning 1st) and 5th in passes of over 40 yards (Manning 4th). I am sorry that is not "dinkin and dunkin." As far as pressure they are good but yes when the pocket completely collapses they are not nearly as effective, but I do have to say that our line is not as good as people think. After Brady went down our oline procedeed to give up the most sacks in the league, coinciden? Or did Brady make them look better than they are? Manning also playe all of his home games in a dome, and 1 more against the Texans, that is a total of 9 games in a dome while Brady played only 1 (in Indy) in a dome. Brady also did it against better defenses than Manning did:

First off, I wasn't saying anything about domes, or defenses Manning/Brady played. I was saying how Brady was still in the game and throwing when he shouldn't have been, and while Manning was guilty of that at times in 04, wasn't nearly as bad about it. However, I will say Brady didn't have to play in much bad weather. He did against the Jets and went 14-27 for 140 yards with a pick. I feel like weather and defenses were somewhat of a non factor.

As for the Steelers throwing more than running last year... yeah that is true. And the past two years they have been trying a different scheme (Bruce Arians the new OC... who I hate). But if you watched the games, you will see they still tried (usually unsuccessfully) to run the ball in the games. The majority of those pass attempts were on 3rd downs and in 4th quarters. It was just in the case of 5 games last year, the Steelers had to throw a LOT do to not being able to run and losing. Roethlisberger threw between 39 and 41 passes (excluding sacks) against the Jags (had to lead last minute drive as well and played from behind all night), Colts (Roethlisberger had 2 awful picks that forced the Steelers into a failed last minute drive that ended with a hail mary being picked off in the endzone), SD (this was a legit pass first offensive gameplan), Ravens (last minute drive), and Titans (played from behind and lost). The other 11 games of the year Roethlisberger attempted 26.4 passes per game (including sacks).

I still stand behind the dink and dunk statements. 20+ and 40+ yard passes aren't always through the air. And yeah, Brady did throw quite a few bombs to Moss that year. That is basically the first time in his career he had done so. But even then, that whole season was the definition of dink-dunking. Except he had good receivers this year, and masters of YAC (Faulk, Welker). I'd always been interested in that subject and last year I wanted to prove to myself that the Pats were a din-dunk team. I set up a spreadsheet and used Yahoo sports stats (they're the only ones I've found with receiver YAC) and came up with the 'air yards' for various QBs in seasons:

Tom Brady 2007-6.97 air yards/completion
Roethlisberger 2007-7.52 air yds/completion
P Manning 2007-7.2 air yds/completion
P Manning 2004-8.27 air yds/completion
Culpepper 2004-6.27 air yds completion

(those are the ones I did back then, and I would almost guarantee that Brady in 2007 had a personal career high in air yards. Also I know Roethlisberger had better stats his first couple years for sure, but I did these in 07 and wanted to compare the current stats). As you can also see, Culpepper was a dink-dunker too when he threw 40+ TDs.

[NovaStar]

Quote: Originally Posted by shotgun styles

Well now you're changing the argument. Brady has NOT won a SB with Moss, he was statistically successful though. There is a difference between being statistically successful and winning. Tom was a winner when he played the game-manager role. Now that he wants to be the stat king, he's not winning rings. Perhaps he should go back to letting his kicker win games and then taking credit after the fact...

There you go adding words again. I never said Brady won a SB with Moss, I said he was successful with Moss (18-0). That is more successful with Moss than Culpepper had ever been.

Also, I am sorry, I miss understood you, I didn't realize that you were from Europe. See, in America when we say football we mean NFL, not soccer. In soccer kicking is the most important thing that a player can do. In the NFL, in big games, under pressure against the best defenses, the qb that has the gift is able to drive his team down the field and place them into scoring position, against the clock and against all odds to put a kicker (not soccer) into position to when the game. Brady skills, no, no, champion skills.

How did you become a Steeler fan? watching the nfl on the tele in liverpool? To you, I would say go Manchester!

[shotgun styles]

Quote: Originally Posted by NovaStar

There you go adding words again. I never said Brady won a SB with Moss, I said he was successful with Moss (18-0). That is more successful with Moss than Culpepper had ever been. Also, I am sorry, I miss understood you, I didn't realize that you were from Europe. See, in America when we say football we mean NFL, not soccer. In soccer kicking is the most important thing that a player can do. In the NFL, in big games, under pressure against the best defenses, the qb that has the gift is able to drive his team down the field and place them into scoring position, against the clock and against all odds to put a kicker (not soccer) into position to when the game. Brady skills, no, no, champion skills. How did you become a Steeler fan? watching the nfl on the tele in liverpool? To you, I would say go Manchester!

Again, you really need to watch the film. There is nothing special about throwing the ball to HBs who are wide open in prevent defenses. It's not like Brady was having to thread the needle.

Now mind you, you would have an argument if Brady had EVER won a crucial game himself. BUT HE HASN'T!

When Brady needs a TD, he can't do it. He couldn't do it in the playoffs against INDY in 2006, and he couldn't do it in the SB against the Giants in 2007. Why? Because he needed more than 3 points. What was the result? He threw a pick against Indy and couldn't even get past mid-field against the Giants.

Brady = Hype

Film = Fact

[steelers1]

I went back to see Brady's air yards/completion throughout his career, and I was actually wrong. He had one year (2004) where he had a higher air yds/comp than he did in 07. This was a simple copy paste thing so I could have had an error somewhere in here. This is also the numbers for the teams as a whole, so it includes the few passes not thrown by Brady in the said seasons. Anyway, here are the numbers by year.

year-air yards/completion
2001-5.31
2002-4.76
2003-6.34
2004-7.23
2005-6.66
2006-5.56
2007-6.97

When you're not even throwing the ball more than 6 yards down the field (on average), it's a lot easier to get good completion %s and low INTs. I'm not saying he's not a great QB, but he is overrated. You really have to dig into stats to get a true picture.

[nepatriotsfan]

Quote: Originally Posted by shotgun styles

Again, you really need to watch the film. There is nothing special about throwing the ball to HBs who are wide open in prevent defenses. It's not like Brady was having to thread the needle. Now mind you, you would have an argument if Brady had EVER won a crucial game himself. BUT HE HASN'T! When Brady needs a TD, he can't do it. He couldn't do it in the playoffs against INDY in 2006, and he couldn't do it in the SB against the Giants in 2007. Why? Because he needed more than 3 points. What was the result? He threw a pick against Indy and couldn't even get past mid-field against the Giants. Brady = Hype Film = Fact

so your basically saying any qb that drives their team into field goal range so the kicker can do what he is paid to do isnt crucial cause that is ridiculous

[NovaStar]

Quote: Originally Posted by shotgun styles

Again, you really need to watch the film. There is nothing special about throwing the ball to HBs who are wide open in prevent defenses. It's not like Brady was having to thread the needle. Now mind you, you would have an argument if Brady had EVER won a crucial game himself. BUT HE HASN'T! When Brady needs a TD, he can't do it. He couldn't do it in the playoffs against INDY in 2006, and he couldn't do it in the SB against the Giants in 2007. Why? Because he needed more than 3 points. What was the result? He threw a pick against Indy and couldn't even get past mid-field against the Giants. Brady = Hype Film = Fact

No, you need to watch the film. How many qb's in the superbowl have led their team to game winning drives? In the five situations that Brady has participated in, he has won 3 and lost 2. The 3 would consist of 3 Superbowl rings of course, and the two would be the final game of an 18-0 season, in the superbowl with appoximately a minute and some change on the clock. The other would be on the road, with inferior receivers against on paper, a vastly superior team. A year inwhich it was a miracle that they even got to the AFC championship game, let alone having an opportunity to win it. The fact that they got that far is a bigger testimony to Brady's greatness, as opposed to your short sighted perception, attempting to spin it as a weakness.


Rings= champion

3rings = greatness

greatness = Brady

Get your math game tight!

[Obelysk]

Quote: Originally Posted by steelers1

I went back to see Brady's air yards/completion throughout his career, and I was actually wrong. He had one year (2004) where he had a higher air yds/comp than he did in 07. This was a simple copy paste thing so I could have had an error somewhere in here. This is also the numbers for the teams as a whole, so it includes the few passes not thrown by Brady in the said seasons. Anyway, here are the numbers by year. year-air yards/completion 2001-5.31 2002-4.76 2003-6.34 2004-7.23 2005-6.66 2006-5.56 2007-6.97 When you're not even throwing the ball more than 6 yards down the field (on average), it's a lot easier to get good completion %s and low INTs. I'm not saying he's not a great QB, but he is overrated. You really have to dig into stats to get a true picture.

Sorry but how exactly are you getting these numbers? You said you did the math yourself right? Where did you get "air yards" from?