Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

[Americas Team1]

Quote: Originally Posted by totalownership

you're kidding right?

NO. sry but Romo has better TP then both Warner and Brees.They dropped MB3 from the top ten for Jacobs.(MB3's a Cowboy and jacobs a giant...Witten ONLY a 88 for catching,ONLY a 92 for CIT,ONLY a 75 speed? He should have about 95 catching 96 CIT and about 80 speed.And come on just give D-Ware the 99 he SHOULD have.

[TheWatcher]

Quote: Originally Posted by KensaiKatai

i understand what your saying in us not giving him enough credit, but i think your giving him too much..what happens if vinatieri misses...then what??

Then they go to overtime. The games were tied each time.

Quote: Originally Posted by KensaiKatai

edit: for the record i'm a brady fan being a michigan lover, but the tuck rule...all this crap with spygate...when the play breaks down he's nowhere to be found..facts are facts..i'd LOVE to see brady on the raiders and see if he would of had any success at all..he was perfect for the system and he did his job..as any good football player should..but he wouldn't be able to do his job in ANY system..like a great player would..that's the point i'm trying to make.

Then there is no such thing as a great player. This can be said of any player who has ever achieved great things. Keep in mind that the Pats were 0 and 2 and going nowhere with Drew Bledsoe the year Brady took over. The system argument is a dead argument. If it were just the system, Drew Bledsoe should've had like 6 Super Bowl rings. Seriously guys, c'mon.

Secondly, to say he couldn't have succeeded here or there is just empty speculation and it really goes nowhere. All we know is where a player DID play and that should never be held against him. Brady could've easily sucked just like a lot of QB's did in New England, or like other players have in similar system's. Difference with Brady is that he happens to be a great player. System's don't make players, players make systems. If not, then Brock Huard would be on his 5th Super Bowl ring.

[shotgun styles]

Quote: Originally Posted by AlexBrady

Its all about honor with Shotgun Styles, if you make the smart play and check down to a back then you are a coward. Why would you check down when you could force a pass between two linebackers on the intermediate level? Genious (sarcasm). Why make the safe and smart throw when you could make the difficult and stupid throw? If its intercepted then at least I did it with honor. What a crock.

This is a misrepresentation. I said cheating by throwing the ball away and sliding is cowardice. I said no such thing about check downs. In fact, I think a QB who checks down is superior to a gunslinger who jams the ball into coverage. I just don't agree that checking down requires the "heart of a champion". I think that was some rather colorful hyperbole on your part.

[Tampa Bay]

I'll definitely be on the strip button when I play against the Vikings and the Niners.

[AlexBrady]

Quote: Originally Posted by shotgun styles

This is a misrepresentation. I said cheating by throwing the ball away and sliding is cowardice. I said no such thing about check downs. In fact, I think a QB who checks down is superior to a gunslinger who jams the ball into coverage. I just don't agree that checking down requires the "heart of a champion". I think that was some rather colorful hyperbole on your part.

Depends on the situation your checking down in. Qbs who always try to jam the ball into coverage never last.

[Broncos86]

1:) If it's in the rules, it's not cheating.
2:) QBs who do not slide will hear about it from their coaches.

[steelers1]

I agreed with a lot of the stuff Shotgun STyles had said until he said anybody could have replaced Brady (I think he's the one that said that) and throwing the ball away is cheating and all of that.

EVERY QB throws the ball away. And you said throwing the ball at a receivers feet should be illegal? How do you judge whether it was a bad throw or on purpose? The rules have changed and you have to accept that.

Also you said Brady never takes chances... that's really not true. I hold the belief that he is a 'dink-dunk' passer as well, but that's not to say he never throws down the field. Especially in '07. There were several times he would just chuck up a pass to a double covered Moss and pray for the catch (and it worked usually.... see the first half of the 1st Dolphins game that year). You seem to believe that Brady is a short-passer who throws the ball away and avoids contact because he is a coward whereas I just believe the Belichick system is catered to shorter easier throws that depend on YAC (it is really a very good system).

Also in the 2 Super Bowl game winning FG drives. When the game is tied, it would be insane to go deep or go for the TD. You want to get into FG range and run the clock down so that if you miss, they don't have a chance to score and you can go to OT. This has nothing to do with modern defensive rules; this is how you play football. And it does take, to some extent, some heroics and confidence to be able to lead a team to that winning FG. I've never tried to knock Brady for that. He got it done. He didn't need a TD, he needed a FG, and he got his team in position for it.

The only thing is that I do think he seems to get ALL the credit. And I think that his last drives to get into FG range blown out of proportion by many people. The game was tied, so if they don't score, they still have overtime. That's why it's so much more impressive if you are actually losing the game at the time, or even more so if you need a TD to win. If you don't get there, you lose. And we haven't really seen Brady in that situation. In SB 42 his 'woulda been' TD drive wasn't really last minute or anything. It was clutch, no doubt, but I'd like to see him do what Eli had to do or Roethlisberger the next year (I wouldn't actually enjoy it if he did, but I'd like to see if he could do it).

Here's the bottom line from my perspective: I don't like the guy. He is a great QB. He is not the greatest QB, in my opinion. He was clutch in his Super Bowls and is a clutch QB in general, especially in the playoffs, but I don't think he is the clutchest QB, and he really hasn't had the right opportunities to prove that he is. And that's not his fault.

[Broncos86]

I think part of this is Belichick's system. I'm not going to suggest that Brady isn't a good QB, or a great QB. But the system doesn't ask Brady to make a lot of hard plays. As Steelers1 said, it's about YAC.

Look at the Broncos past running game. Every RB was told that you make one cut and then run downhill. The system doesn't ask you to do a lot, in terms of athletics. If you follow the system, and execute the plan, you're not required. Put someone like Barry Sanders in this kind of system, and I doubt you would've seen the sheer brilliance and greatness that we all witnessed. He would've followed the system, and that was that.

This could very well be the case for Brady.