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Madden NFL 10 Video: Pro-TAK Animation System

08:01 PM - May 6, 2009 by backbreaker

Look at Maximum tackle and the suddenness in which the tackler arrives and the wealth of options in this system. The tackler comes to tackle not engage in a line dance. I know I don't know all the features to Pro Tak, when it comes to the actual tackle, but when you see this video, of ESPN NFL 2K5 tackle options you will understand why I critisize the grabbing for grabbing sake.

In 2k5 you could initiate the tackle with a wrap or a hit. I also like which wasn't mentioned in the video, you can choose whether or not you should wrap high or low by flicking the right stick up for high wrap tackle and flicking down for low wrap tackle and the next defender(s) attacks the ball carrier.

I'm not hating, I actually like the idea, I just want it to be aggressive and violent as it should be its a collision sport not contact and racing up to a ball carrier just to hold onto him just for looks, just doesn't look good.

http://xboxmovies.teamxbox.com/xbox/...aximum-Tackle/

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# 421 AC IS ART @ 05/12/09 10:43 PM

^What he said. Since the 07 season its been optional for teams to use initials.

# 422 J-Unit40 @ 05/12/09 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoChris


	Wow...looks even better in HD!!

Damn straight! That looked pretty awesome! Nice job Ian and Co.

# 423 MattIntellect @ 05/13/09 01:07 AM

Ian said that they were just showing off the technology, but it would be better tuned before released.

# 424 Candyman5 @ 05/13/09 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ShimSham


	Ian, when will we see some Packers players. Killing me over here. All these videos and I've still got nothing.

No Vikings Footage either...lol.

# 425 PantherBeast_OS @ 05/13/09 02:23 AM

Yea ian has already said that want be a problem. Some of you worry a little to much sometime. Just chill out. I know the past few years has been crappy and all not that good. But Ian is in charge and he is doing a great job with the community. So I am not worrying at all.

# 426 statum71 @ 05/13/09 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pantherbeast


	Yea ian has already said that want be a problem. Some of you worry a little to much sometime. Just chill out. I know the past few years has been crappy and all not that good. But Ian is in charge and he is doing a great job with the community. So I am not worrying at all.

We're just talking about how we see the game pre-release. We're not losing sleep or nothing.

Not that kinda worry.

# 427 R9NALD9 @ 05/13/09 03:32 AM

As excited as I am about Madden 10, I'm with you on this one.

It seems to me that Pro-Tak is overdone at this point, and what scares me the most is this gang tackling, it seems to me from the videos we have seen (I know it's a work in progress) that gang tackling happens waay to forced and not natural at all.

# 428 Bgamer90 @ 05/13/09 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by R9NALD9


	As excited as I am about Madden 10, I'm with you on this one. It seems to me that Pro-Tak is overdone at this point, and what scares me the most is this gang tackling, it seems to me from the videos we have seen (I know it's a work in progress) that gang tackling happens waay to forced and not natural at all.

Debug setting for pro-tak is up for marketing to make it more noticeable.

Saying this is getting as tiring as explaining to people why madden can't use ESPN in game presentation...

# 429 Behindshadows @ 05/13/09 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by blackngoldfan


	Lol @ Ian takin' a little jab at 2k at the end of the vid.

Didn't hear him say anything about 2k. I heard him mention that too many animations or longer animations would cause you to lose control of the player and not be able to move another direction. Where did he say,"Just like in 2k games?" Just not hearing that.

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Originally Posted by Valdarez


	Yeah, that's also an admission that their animations look better too. So far Madden has had neither, and the animations / rendering is still off even in Madden '10 (not to mention the lack of momentum in the game). They still have several revisions before they match 2K on that front. When I no longer see jerky/stilted movement, isntant direction/speed changes (which may be fixed), and can see/feel a players momentum during a play, then Madden will be on the same level in those areas.

OMG! Something might have been said about 2ksports and here you are to the rescue!!! Obviously the comment must have been true about 2ksports games, in which they are, I've loss counts on how many times I've lost control my RB or Receiver due to animations not allowing me to change moves. Not to mention in NBA 2k9 where I've constantly done stupid layups or up and under moves that I didn't command!

But again we know who you work for!

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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22


	lol it's two years old. And unlicensed. If that's the case then it's a sad because it should've long been a distant memory given the situation. Really it's going to be unfair to Madden to directly compare the games; sort of like a 25yr-old Lebron bragging that he beat a 45yr-old Michael Jordan. He's supposed to. But if he didn't, it'd look bad on LeBron. And if it was a jab at Ortiz I don't understand that either - people seem to forget every next gen EA sports game struggled in their first 1-2 next gen iterations, not just Madden. And they all were working from "new technology". I don't think that was a David Ortiz decision to go that route/start from scratch; I'd assume it was whoever was over top of them that made the decision to develop the games in that manner. I'm not a Ortiz apologist by any stretch but Madden was the one EA sports title that was a launch game. So he didn't even benefit from additional development time that the others did (all just imo). Even the devs themselves have said in retrospect it would've been smarter to take the route The Show and NBA2K did in terms of upgrading. As far as control goes, we won't know until we play M10 but I don't think you should have total control of the player. I understand they want to get away from the tugboat-like responsiveness of Madden last gen, but the answer isn't giving players total control of their movement imo. It's not good to be locked into overly drawn out animations anymore than it is to be able to have lightning-quick responsiveness to move in any direction. People should have to judiciously use turbo/acceleration and have to pay for attempting to over-pursue, or run as fast as you can and change direction. We'll see how it plays out though

It was only a matter of time, someone chimes in negative words toward 2ksports and V and S to the rescue. Sorry he never said a word about 2k in that video. Now in his blog, he does have post complimenting 2k, but I'm sure you guys over looked that. Due to the fact that most cops go by planted evidence instead of what's really there.

# 430 J-Unit40 @ 05/13/09 07:03 AM

BS - I'm diggin the badges you made up.

# 431 spankdatazz22 @ 05/13/09 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Behindshadows


	It was only a matter of time, someone chimes in negative words toward 2ksports and V and S to the rescue. Sorry he never said a word about 2k in that video. Now in his blog, he does have post complimenting 2k, but I'm sure you guys over looked that. Due to the fact that most cops go by planted evidence instead of what's really there.

And sadly you didn't debate a single thing I said (kinda funny though). Just fyi, I was responding to someone else's post.

Not to mention I did post earlier in this thread regarding the video if I recall. Instead of catching feelings about what I said in my second post, why not explain why you thought what I said was wrong

# 432 Behindshadows @ 05/13/09 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22


	And sadly you didn't debate a single thing I said (kinda funny though). Just fyi, I was responding to someone else's post. Not to mention I did post earlier in this thread regarding the video if I recall. Instead of catching feelings about what I said in my second post, why not explain why you thought what I said was wrong

Wasn't catching feelings, just giving you and V a hard time. It's all out of fun man...But you guys are die-hard 2k don't be denying that though. V denies it and lies through his teeth, but I know you'll admit it.

I saw you spraying the logic on in your post as well, but you didn't chime in, until someone said,"Ian is talking smack about 2k". And you came running! lol..

Either way I'm just messing with you man....and keep the badge...lol

# 433 RGiles36 @ 05/13/09 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by R9NALD9


	It seems to me that Pro-Tak is overdone at this point, and what scares me the most is this gang tackling, it seems to me from the videos we have seen (I know it's a work in progress) that gang tackling happens waay to forced and not natural at all.

You shouldn't be worried boss. Back at CD, one of my critiques was that we didn't see 3-4 man gang tackles enough. It felt like 3+ man gang tackles were supressed as it was a new feature and they didn't want to over use it. My rebuttal is if the tech is there and the situation is applicable, use it. I think we should often see 3-4 men swarming in to make the play especially when running the ball. Now when you start talking 5+, then of course you don't want to see that so often. But 3-4 men tackles are seen if not often, then consistently in the NFL. This is why it's good that they're adding variety to the type of gang tackles.

# 434 RGiles36 @ 05/13/09 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22


	Instead of catching feelings about what I said in my second post, why not explain why you thought what I said was wrong

I know what you said is not directed at me but I wanted to comment. Most importantly, I don't feel your flat out wrong for what you said. In fact, I read alot of your posts and enjoy pretty much all of them. I just want to comment on the below:

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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22


	lol it's two years old. And unlicensed. If that's the case then it's a sad because it should've long been a distant memory given the situation. Really it's going to be unfair to Madden to directly compare the games; sort of like a 25yr-old Lebron bragging that he beat a 45yr-old Michael Jordan. He's supposed to. But if he didn't, it'd look bad on LeBron.

I hesitated in commenting b/c then I know it leaves the door open for me to criticized as coming to Tiburon's defense. But I just don't agree with the logic. I'm sure that you, me, and everyone else has criticized EA for their shotty OL/DL play over the past few years if not longer. As we're all aware, 2K is the measuring stick in this area. Well now they're (EA) taking steps to address it, and then comes the 'well it's about time' sentiments. Do you see what I'm getting at here? It's bad enough that Madden went so long without addressing this area. We criticized them unmercifully for ignoring this core component of football. And now that they are recognizing that it needs an overhaul and taking the steps to improve it, we belittle them for drawing a comparison to 2K (the measuring stick) and trying to surpass them. The important thing to me is that they're addressing it; not that it's taken too long for EA to catch up.

A lot of people don't recognize this now, but I've always been a HUGE 2K fan. NFL2K5 (I still play almost daily), APF2K, NBA2K (a fave), you name it, I've probably played it. But improvement is improvement in my eyes.

# 435 Badboy49er @ 05/13/09 10:20 AM

Behindshadows love the badges LOLOL

# 436 TheWatcher @ 05/13/09 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Behindshadows


	Didn't hear him say anything about 2k. I heard him mention that too many animations or longer animations would cause you to lose control of the player and not be able to move another direction. Where did he say,"Just like in 2k games?" Just not hearing that. OMG! Something might have been said about 2ksports and here you are to the rescue!!! Obviously the comment must have been true about 2ksports games, in which they are, I've loss counts on how many times I've lost control my RB or Receiver due to animations not allowing me to change moves. Not to mention in NBA 2k9 where I've constantly done stupid layups or up and under moves that I didn't command! But again we know who you work for! It was only a matter of time, someone chimes in negative words toward 2ksports and V and S to the rescue. Sorry he never said a word about 2k in that video. Now in his blog, he does have post complimenting 2k, but I'm sure you guys over looked that. Due to the fact that most cops go by planted evidence instead of what's really there.

Classic

# 437 JB0B0 @ 05/13/09 10:55 AM

is it me or do the gang tackles all look the same when its 3+ defenders tackling the ballcarrier? on the bright side, game looks good, keep it up

# 438 roadman @ 05/13/09 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by rgiles36


	I hesitated in commenting b/c then I know it leaves the door open for me to criticized as coming to Tiburon's defense. But I just don't agree with the logic. I'm sure that you, me, and everyone else has criticized EA for their shotty OL/DL play over the past few years if not longer. As we're all aware, 2K is the measuring stick in this area. Well now they're (EA) taking steps to address it, and then comes the 'well it's about time' sentiments. Do you see what I'm getting at here? It's bad enough that Madden went so long without addressing this area. We criticized them unmercifully for ignoring this core component of football. And now that they are recognizing that it needs an overhaul and taking the steps to improve it, we belittle them for drawing a comparison to 2K (the measuring stick) and trying to surpass them. The important thing to me is that they're addressing it; not that it's taken too long for EA to catch up.

This is the paragraph I wanted to quote. I've been trying to say this, but you summed it up much better than I did.

Thank you.

# 439 Bgamer90 @ 05/13/09 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Unit40


	BS - I'm diggin the badges you made up.

I am too

# 440 Bgamer90 @ 05/13/09 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgiles36


	I hesitated in commenting b/c then I know it leaves the door open for me to criticized as coming to Tiburon's defense. But I just don't agree with the logic. I'm sure that you, me, and everyone else has criticized EA for their shotty OL/DL play over the past few years if not longer. As we're all aware, 2K is the measuring stick in this area. Well now they're (EA) taking steps to address it, and then comes the 'well it's about time' sentiments. Do you see what I'm getting at here? It's bad enough that Madden went so long without addressing this area. We criticized them unmercifully for ignoring this core component of football. And now that they are recognizing that it needs an overhaul and taking the steps to improve it, we belittle them for drawing a comparison to 2K (the measuring stick) and trying to surpass them. The important thing to me is that they're addressing it; not that it's taken too long for EA to catch up.

Exactly. I absolutely hate it when people do that. I'm a positive person so yeah, I don't understand why people would be like that.

They bash madden for not having "x", and yet when "x" comes, they bash it since another game had "x" before.

Like if you are mad about one thing, you should be happy about the opposite. It makes no sense to be mad in both cases and therefore it shows who are truly the die-hard 2k fanboys.

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