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Madden NFL 10: Updated Running Animation

02:18 PM - May 1, 2009 by Ian_Cummings

We're having some export problems today - the ball keeps showing up rotated 90 degrees in the guys hands. In the meantime, I can show one run style that was slightly adjusted by Simon...this one is still in progress but I figured people would like to see it and give feedback.

Slightly adjusted run style from easports on Vimeo.

Thoughts?

Also to compare, I uploaded the sprinter style (that no one seems to like)...this is the 09 version so hopefully I'll have a comparison video of the new one soon once we sort out Simon's export problems.

Madden NFL 09 run style from easports on Vimeo.

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# 41 Moshood @ 05/01/09 04:18 PM

The new animation is great.

# 42 crackdownjr @ 05/01/09 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian_Cummings_EA


	We're having some export problems today - the ball keeps showing up rotated 90 degrees in the guys hands. In the meantime, I can show one run style that was slightly adjusted by Simon...this one is still in progress but I figured people would like to see it and give feedback. Slightly adjusted run style from easports on Vimeo. Thoughts? Also to compare, I uploaded the sprinter style (that no one seems to like)...this is the 09 version so hopefully I'll have a comparison video of the new one soon once we sort out Simon's export problems. Madden NFL 09 run style from easports on Vimeo.

well of course no one likes the unrealistic sprinter style of 09 but i like improved running style, not perfect but it does look realistic which is of course a +1... im sure the improved sprinter style looks jus as realistic, if not more realistic

# 43 Valdarez @ 05/01/09 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYyankz225


	I think a lot of the APF fans like the exaggerated motions and assume it's realistic. But when you look at the 40 yard dash video you'll see Madden really wasn't too far off . For the regular running while gaining speed I think there could be some more shoulder movement as shown in the first video. But in open space the current 09 sprint animation ain't bad at all

I agree the APF fans enjoy the exaggerated motions more (being one myself). However, I think running styles vary. Someone posted a video of guys running who had a ton of shoulder movement. The question is, which running style makes the game feel more alive, and to me, that answer will always be the one that makes the avatar appear more animated.

# 44 Blooz17 @ 05/01/09 04:24 PM

I also want to point out something interesting with madden 09. It seems that the animations in the game look worse when onfield compared to the virtual simulator. We all know it's the same animations but for some reason the simulator looks more fluid take a look:

Standard 09 gameplay:

Simulator gameplay:

or maybe im just crazy.

# 45 red butler @ 05/01/09 04:25 PM

I actually like the second one better for breakaway runs. The right arm in the first video looks like he's trying to swim. It's too bad you cant use the first set of animations for running in traffic then trigger the second set of animations with the sprint button for breakaway runs

# 46 Big_Mig_11 @ 05/01/09 04:29 PM

Hmmm...IDK. The first video looks LESS robot-isc than the 09 vid, but the player is hunched over (or so it seems like to me). I do agree that he looks to running at a less speed with more weight. Maybe there is a different animation for faster players?? I dont mean to sound "needy" or "ungrateful"...

# 47 Valdarez @ 05/01/09 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blooz17


	I also want to point out something interesting with madden 09. It seems that the animations in the game look worse when onfield compared to the virtual simulator. We all know it's the same animations but for some reason the simulator looks more fluid take a look: Standard 09 gameplay: Simulator gameplay: or maybe im just crazy.

It's funny you said that, I always thought that as well when I played Madden '09. I think they blur the animations on the virtual simulator which makes them look more fluid. That's why I suggested they blur the Madden animations a little to make them appear more fluid.

# 48 NYyankz225 @ 05/01/09 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red butler


	I actually like the second one better for breakaway runs. The right arm in the first video looks like he's trying to swim. It's too bad you cant use the first set of animations for running in traffic then trigger the second set of animations with the sprint button for breakaway runs

I think it's confusing the way Ian phrased it but as far as I believe, the first one is definitely not a sprinting animation. In the second one he is showing an example of a sprint animation from 09 and later he will compare it to the new one. Those two videos weren't meant to be compared because they are not replacing the second one with the first one. Hopefully Ian can clarify.

# 49 jimbo1215 @ 05/01/09 04:33 PM

i think the second vid is better. as far as the legs not moving fast keep in mind that Dustin Keller is a TE

# 50 winreaper @ 05/01/09 04:41 PM

Heard you on kfan in minneapolis last night. I waited on hold, but never made it through to talk to you. I have three beefs with madden 09' and the madden series in general.

#1 The passing was terrible on both sides of the ball. There was no touch to the passes and defending passes was simply an awkward mess. We all know certain passing situations require touch and Madden failed to have the slightest bit last season. Defensively it was a crap shoot. If I am in position I should at a minimum knock down the ball. Holding coverage and position is another nightmare.

#2 Madden 08" I played literally hundreds of games. In Madden 09' I played dozens. I know know why. I felt the controls to be very loose. Almost like there was a lag in the game. It felt deliberate. Perhaps to make the online game play feel much closer to the game play at home. It makes for a frustrating and ultimately boring experience. I found myself playing Blitz 2 like a mad man. The controls were tight and I felt as though I was actually controlling my players. I can sum up all of the game play in madden with on situation that pretty much sums up the game play as a whole. Defensive line moves. I have wondered for years if they actually do anything. They are slow, none reactive and useless. I particular enjoy when your line man is stuck engaged at the line as the qb sits near the side line and I can't get to him due to the massive holding. Just a frustrating programing desicion that is designed to hide other game play problems. I by no means intend to underscore the countless hours of work you put into the game, but it was not your best offering. I hope 10' is much better.

#3 I have read the list of improvements, but so help me god if there is another glitch play online I will lose it and never buy Madden again. I will embrace backbreaker football like no other. Keep in mind this is coming from a Madden player since atari. I have hosted annual madden tourny's, I own a copy of every madden in every format from every year (just cause I liked collecting them) playing yeas of my life away, and can't get enough of it. When I see a company as big as EA that fails to put a patch out to fix a serious game flaw I am beside myself and spitting mad. I FEEL RIPPED OFF AND NEGLECTED!

There is something to be said for simulation vs arcade. Arcade is pure fun and simulation is an attempt at imitating life like circumstances. Leaning more one direction than an other can have undesirable effects. Madden may not have been perfect, but the best years of the game were balanced. You felt like the games was not going to beat you. You could react to what was happening on the field and the guy holding the controller was going to have to bring you down, not glitchy, flashy play. Not realistic animation that comes at the cost of tight controls and a responsive interface. Pure controls and situations that require skill. Not a vanilla field goal meter so simplified my grandma can hit a fifty yarder.

I never heard any of these things addressed last night on the radio. THAT IN ITSELF IS DISCOURAGING!!!! And although it is cute that you are changing how they run, why not try and fix how quickly you sucked all the fun from Madden over the years ultimately ending up with a snooze fest product like Madden 09"!

# 51 RumbleCard @ 05/01/09 04:50 PM

I think its a great improvement. The running in 09 had the knees going up way too high. It looked contrived and unemotional. I like the new stuff.

# 52 judgejudy @ 05/01/09 04:50 PM

madden iz serious bizness

# 53 roadman @ 05/01/09 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winreaper


	I never heard any of these things addressed last night on the radio. THAT IN ITSELF IS DISCOURAGING!!!! And although it is cute that you are changing how they run, why not try and fix how quickly you sucked all the fun from Madden over the years ultimately ending up with a snooze fest product like Madden 09"!

Welcome to OS.

I'll just address your last paragraph.

Your not alone in feeling about the snooze fest of 09, however, there is new management in charge since 09. They are listening to us and taking our suggestions since last summer.

They are making several changes to become more sim. FB Dive is fixed, QB dive is fixed, etc..........

# 54 Krodis @ 05/01/09 05:10 PM

The arm movement does seem to be a bit excessive in the first video. It looks like he's trying to swim, or perhaps punch himself in the face.

# 55 bang911 @ 05/01/09 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krodis


	The arm movement does seem to be a bit excessive in the first video. It looks like he's trying to swim, or perhaps punch himself in the face.

His right arm needs to get a little tighter to his body. People use that off arm to help accelerate.

# 56 KANE699 @ 05/01/09 05:17 PM

Im with bang911 here but I think both arms should be in tighter especially the ball carrying hand not too many people carry it so loosely, thats mostly an Adrian Peterson thing.

Bring the arms in a little bit and its solid.

# 57 Champ24 @ 05/01/09 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winreaper


	Heard you on kfan in minneapolis last night. I waited on hold, but never made it through to talk to you. I have three beefs with madden 09' and the madden series in general. #1 The passing was terrible on both sides of the ball. There was no touch to the passes and defending passes was simply an awkward mess. We all know certain passing situations require touch and Madden failed to have the slightest bit last season. Defensively it was a crap shoot. If I am in position I should at a minimum knock down the ball. Holding coverage and position is another nightmare. #2 Madden 08" I played literally hundreds of games. In Madden 09' I played dozens. I know know why. I felt the controls to be very loose. Almost like there was a lag in the game. It felt deliberate. Perhaps to make the online game play feel much closer to the game play at home. It makes for a frustrating and ultimately boring experience. I found myself playing Blitz 2 like a mad man. The controls were tight and I felt as though I was actually controlling my players. I can sum up all of the game play in madden with on situation that pretty much sums up the game play as a whole. Defensive line moves. I have wondered for years if they actually do anything. They are slow, none reactive and useless. I particular enjoy when your line man is stuck engaged at the line as the qb sits near the side line and I can't get to him due to the massive holding. Just a frustrating programing desicion that is designed to hide other game play problems. I by no means intend to underscore the countless hours of work you put into the game, but it was not your best offering. I hope 10' is much better. #3 I have read the list of improvements, but so help me god if there is another glitch play online I will lose it and never buy Madden again. I will embrace backbreaker football like no other. Keep in mind this is coming from a Madden player since atari. I have hosted annual madden tourny's, I own a copy of every madden in every format from every year (just cause I liked collecting them) playing yeas of my life away, and can't get enough of it. When I see a company as big as EA that fails to put a patch out to fix a serious game flaw I am beside myself and spitting mad. I FEEL RIPPED OFF AND NEGLECTED! There is something to be said for simulation vs arcade. Arcade is pure fun and simulation is an attempt at imitating life like circumstances. Leaning more one direction than an other can have undesirable effects. Madden may not have been perfect, but the best years of the game were balanced. You felt like the games was not going to beat you. You could react to what was happening on the field and the guy holding the controller was going to have to bring you down, not glitchy, flashy play. Not realistic animation that comes at the cost of tight controls and a responsive interface. Pure controls and situations that require skill. Not a vanilla field goal meter so simplified my grandma can hit a fifty yarder. I never heard any of these things addressed last night on the radio. THAT IN ITSELF IS DISCOURAGING!!!! And although it is cute that you are changing how they run, why not try and fix how quickly you sucked all the fun from Madden over the years ultimately ending up with a snooze fest product like Madden 09"!

Ummmm...I think you are a tad bit late to the party. I suggest looking at some of the forum convo and blogs over the last several months.

# 58 tonynyy @ 05/01/09 05:23 PM

I think one of the keys to having a realistic sprinting animation is backward body lean. Notice that running at full speed necessitates that you lean backwards, whether you're a receiver or a lineman. This lean helps you bring your knees up, and I wonder if the high knees would seem more natural if they were combined with accurate body lean. I think the new animation looks a lot like APF, which isn't a bad thing, yet the arms move to much, the player seems to be too hunched over and it wouldn't look right in the open field.
What Madden needs is a system similar to NHL 09, where the left stick is pressure sensitive to help control your speed. Depending on the pressure applied, the player could go from a jog to a sprint (and everything in between) while being supported with the right animations.

# 59 Valdarez @ 05/01/09 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Champ24


	Ummmm...I think you are a tad bit late to the party. I suggest looking at some of the forum convo and blogs over the last several months.

Aye, and posting in the appropriate topic. He spent all that time writing up that story book post and yet couldn't take a few seconds to find the appropriate thread or start a new thread.

# 60 CapnKill @ 05/01/09 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbo1215


	i think the second vid is better. as far as the legs not moving fast keep in mind that Dustin Keller is a TE

He is, but he is smaller than normal TEs, much closer to a "big WR"... and he is very athletic. Although I don't anticipate different running animations between a TE and a WR... or a DB.. I don't know, I get the impression taht they will all have the same basic style.

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