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NBA Live 09 Demo Released, Impressions Here 360 & PS3

05:36 AM - September 4, 2008 by wurstman3000

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# 781 23bluesman @ 09/27/08 09:36 AM

Some new things I noticed while playing the demo today:

I was playing as the Lakers, and started the game with a 9-0 run. At their next possesion, Rondo brings up the ball, and calls a timeout AFTER he crosses the half court. This is the first time I've seen this logic in a Live game, as usually they just call timeouts right away after you score. (If this was in prior next-gen Live titles, my bad, haven't played them).

After the timeout, I play great defense and eventually end the quarter leading 12-0.

Funny thing during the quarter timeout - Marv was saying how impressed he was that the Lakers, on a road game and at the end of a back-to-back, came out very aggressive. He even mentioned that usually teams would just want the game to be over with so they can go home.

At the start of the 2nd quarter, with me leading 12-0 and shooting over 50%, the Celtics come out in a zone defense. Nice! I missed the shot and they scored on the other end, then they went back to man. I dunno how long they would've kept the zone if I still scored and they didn't.

# 782 poster @ 09/27/08 12:09 PM

Sweet. So the CPU will play zone against you? Sorry, haven't played too much current gen Live. It would have been nice if they stayed in it a bit longer. Hopefully these games start really focusing on the zone defenses. Alot of teams use it, even if it is just for stretches of time during a given game.

# 783 23 @ 09/27/08 12:43 PM

Agreed and yes that sounds nice

# 784 23bluesman @ 09/27/08 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by poster


	Sweet. So the CPU will play zone against you? Sorry, haven't played too much current gen Live. It would have been nice if they stayed in it a bit longer. Hopefully these games start really focusing on the zone defenses. Alot of teams use it, even if it is just for stretches of time during a given game.

Yup. The last Live that I played before this was 05, and the cpu played zone there too at some points during the game. They even did it right after you call a timeout to sort of throw you off.

# 785 Moses Shuttlesworth @ 09/27/08 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by thriller92


	From what I've seen the Live sig shots are pretty far off still and they look herky jerky. Ray Allens shot looks the weirdest.

I feel the opposite way man. Ray Ray's shot is almost perfect. It's so fun to play with. My only complaint is Pierce's shot. There hasn't been a single game that has gotten it right.

# 786 bls @ 09/27/08 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Moses Shuttlesworth


	I feel the opposite way man. Ray Ray's shot is almost perfect. It's so fun to play with. My only complaint is Pierce's shot. There hasn't been a single game that has gotten it right.

Pierce actually has two different jumpshots, one is like the sig in Live and the other sometimes he takes alittle step forward with his right leg then he goes up for the jumpshot.

# 787 Beluba @ 09/27/08 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Moses Shuttlesworth


	I feel the opposite way man. Ray Ray's shot is almost perfect. It's so fun to play with. My only complaint is Pierce's shot. There hasn't been a single game that has gotten it right.

The interesting thing is... Pierce actually came to EA for mocap and that's his actual data.

# 788 bigeastbumrush @ 09/27/08 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Beluba


	The interesting thing is... Pierce actually came to EA for mocap and that's his actual data.

I'd love to hear Moses' response.

# 789 23 @ 09/27/08 10:11 PM

Wow. For some reason it seems sort of a fast release for Pierce. It also seems like he's not getting up under the ball enough when preparing for the shot.

That boggles the mind a bit, but do you remember it animating that way on your computer?

# 790 Haval93 @ 09/27/08 10:31 PM

Here is the video of Paul Pierce motion capturing for them...

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/9...ap_092407.html

# 791 Moses Shuttlesworth @ 09/27/08 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bigeastbumrush


	I'd love to hear Moses' response.

My response is it's not the way he shoots in real life, at least to me, someone who watches him night in night out. He barely gets off the ground when he shoots, and he kind of puts the ball in front while he lets it go. I just feel like in video games it's difficult to see the actual release point.

He crouches over, that's what I'm trying to say. That's not part of the game.

# 792 bigeastbumrush @ 09/27/08 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Moses Shuttlesworth


	My response is it's not the way he shoots in real life, at least to me, someone who watches him night in night out. He barely gets off the ground when he shoots, and he kind of puts the ball in front while he lets it go. I just feel like in video games it's difficult to see the actual release point. He crouches over, that's what I'm trying to say. That's not part of the game.

The 0:27 second mark of Haval's video is what Pierce himself gave them.

# 793 DakkoN @ 09/27/08 11:12 PM

That might be how he shoots in practice but that is definitely not how he shoots in a game and that's why it looks bad. That's one of the bad things with mo capping shots because most guys are not going to put the full effort into doing it and are instead going to shoot like they are doing warmups.

# 794 Moses Shuttlesworth @ 09/27/08 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DakkoN


	That might be how he shoots in practice but that is definitely not how he shoots in a game and that's why it looks bad. That's one of the bad things with mo capping shots because most guys are not going to put the full effort into doing it and are instead going to shoot like they are doing warmups.

Exactly. If you watch Pierce in the warm ups it's different every time. It's sort of half-assed.

# 795 bigeastbumrush @ 09/27/08 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DakkoN


	That might be how he shoots in practice but that is definitely not how he shoots in a game and that's why it looks bad. That's one of the bad things with mo capping shots because most guys are not going to put the full effort into doing it and are instead going to shoot like they are doing warmups.

Yeah, but to say that no game has gotten his sig shot right makes it seem like the devs fault.

# 796 23bluesman @ 09/28/08 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by left4dead


	Anyone else also disappointed with Kobe's signature shot? It looks NOTHING like how Kobe shoots in real life. Not the form, not the release and definitely not the jump. How can EA mess up the signature shot of the league's most notable and best player?

I think it looks good actually. Not perfect, but good. Compare these two:

Kobe jumpshot:
http://www.nike.com/nikeos/p/nikebas...er=kobe_bryant

Live Kobe jumpshot:
http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/777457

Now what I want for Live 2010 is this move by Kobe (follow the link, then click on his pull-up jumper move):
http://www.nike.com/nikeos/p/nikebas...er=kobe_bryant

It's just a simple pull-up jumper from a hard dribble. The thing is though, it is not a straight-up jumper, and it's not a strong fade also - he sort of fades a little bit, with a small leg extension. In Live, you can do a straight-up jumper and an exaggerated fade (with the high leg kick) from a hard dribble, but not a soft fade such as this. Hopefully in 2010 we can choose to perform a hard or soft fade.

# 797 23bluesman @ 09/28/08 04:19 AM

Yeah the height is tricky, that Nike vid that I posted probably isn't a good indicator because he's doing it ******ly, but obviously during real games the height on his jumpshot varies.

Check out this vid. I loved this particular game because of the plethora of jumpshots that Kobe showed, sometimes even doing the fade with the high kick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFj4762ICZA

As you can see some jumpshots are high, and while not as high as the Live vid, higher than his ****** jumpshot in the Nike one.

Interesting comment regarding NBA 09, I might dl it tonight if I'm bored just too see Kobe's shot.

# 798 Moses Shuttlesworth @ 09/28/08 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bigeastbumrush


	Yeah, but to say that no game has gotten his sig shot right makes it seem like the devs fault.

That might be true, but who's fault is it then? The truth is no game has gotten it right, regardless of what they try to do in order to make it look real.

# 799 bigeastbumrush @ 09/28/08 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Moses Shuttlesworth


	That might be true, but who's fault is it then? The truth is no game has* gotten it right, regardless of what they try to do in order to make it look real.*

Unless some of these devs want to go the Carlisemo/Sprewell route and tell these mo-capping NBA players in their studio that they're not giving full effort, this is what you're going to be "stuck" with.

# 800 23 @ 09/28/08 11:51 AM

LOL

Well guys, Beluba told me to start the sig shot thread a week after release to see if they could patch in more sig shots and stuff. Maybe they can tweak PP's. Who knows, maybe, maybe not but it wont kill the game.

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