MLB 2K8 News Post

Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

01:30 PM - March 20, 2008 by RaychelSnr

Patrick Williams of Operation Sports wrote an article discussing why he is unhappy with Major League Baseball 2k8 and why he thinks a full refund is in order.

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	"As daylight savings kicks in and the snow begins to melt it's starting to become evident that spring is in the air. And what comes with spring? Baseball. Unfortunately being an XBOX 360 owner leaves me few options when it comes to choosing a baseball game. In fact it leaves me with just one option: MLB 2K8."

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# 121 roadman @ 03/21/08 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	Everyone's priorities are different. When I pay 60 dollars for a baseball game to play on my $400-$500 console, I personally want gameplay and graphics to be top notch. Maybe it's just me.

Bk;

I hear what you are saying, but I've played HH on a high end PC and enjoyed many years of it. We both know HH's graphics were substandard even 5 years ago.

I want what you want too, but the way I look at it, I survived 4 years of HH on the PC and wasn't disappointed with gameplay, which is probably the key word.

HH never updated the commentary and they only updated the graphics in the last year. And the commentary was more loopy than 2k8's.

# 122 Shadymamba @ 03/21/08 12:03 PM

I dont get it..ive played the game...i think its fine...a lot of people say the game is cool..i dont know what people are looking for its a VIDEO GAME..everygame has flaws, but i think people are looking for a television broadcast type video game...i say either trade it in or dont play it anymore dont continue to say i hate this and i hate that..and then when the patch comes out i love this and i love that...just give it back!!

ps. i have it on HD as well and its fine to me..maybe because i just play for the fun of it

# 123 CMH @ 03/21/08 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Renegade44


	dont sit here and act like the game is perfect. be real man. enjoy yourself.

Who said the game is perfect?

# 124 CMH @ 03/21/08 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sbauer318


	Does the six years include the time when the building was too small for people to get inside or does it just include the enlarged version? haha. Great movie. Edit: I also use the crazy pills reference too. I use it about once a month.

I think that's a fair quota. I think there are enough things in life to warrant heavier usage but then it would just dumb down the meaning.

# 125 CMH @ 03/21/08 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	He's right though. Those Madden arguments were indeed brought in to this thread.

Yes they were but the reason why they were brought up is because about a week ago some against MLB2k8 started suggesting that if the game was an EA product the MLB2k8 fans would hate it.

I know you are around but the Madden reference has a history to it and the MLB2k8 fans didn't start it.

# 126 bkrich83 @ 03/21/08 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	Bk; I hear what you are saying, but I've played HH on a high end PC and enjoyed many years of it. We both know HH's graphics were substandard even 5 years ago. I want what you want too, but the way I look at it, I survived 4 years of HH on the PC and wasn't disappointed with gameplay, which is probably the key word. HH never updated the commentary and they only updated the graphics in the last year. And the commentary was more loopy than 2k8's.

Agreed. I was a die hard HH PC player myself. Where you a member of the clubhouse or the dugout or whatever that HH forum was? I was a lurker there.

The difference is, now times have changed, the consoles and the games are more expensive, the technlogy is much better. So imo, the bar has been set higher than it was 4 or 5 years ago.

Are you playing the Show? It reminds me of HH in so many ways, both in manage mode and in regular playing modes it's not even funny. The Show to me is a more advanced, refined version of HH, with outstanding graphics and presentation to go along with it. Classic pitch mode, is identical to HH's pitching mechanic, and I find myself walking batters like I did in HH.

The Pressbox view in Manage Only, is eerily similiar to the same view in HH's manage only mode as well.

# 127 roadman @ 03/21/08 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	Agreed. I was a die hard HH PC player myself. Where you a member of the clubhouse or the dugout or whatever that HH forum was? I was a lurker there. The difference is, now times have changed, the consoles and the games are more expensive, the technlogy is much better. So imo, the bar has been set higher than it was 4 or 5 years ago. Are you playing the Show? It reminds me of HH in so many ways, both in manage mode and in regular playing modes it's not even funny. The Show to me is a more advanced, refined version of HH, with outstanding graphics and presentation to go along with it. Classic pitch mode, is identical to HH's pitching mechanic, and I find myself walking batters like I did in HH. The Pressbox view in Manage Only, is eerily similiar to the same view in HH's manage only mode as well.

I only lurked there myself, seemed like a lot of arguing.

I hung out mostly at Sim Central for the modding features.

Maybe the bar has been set higher, but I do remember even people with xbox's and ps2's ripping on HH graphics and sound, so, to me, nothing has changed in five years.

No, I don't have a PS3 , so, I don't have the Show, but I've heard it very close to HH. Unfortunately, I married an Accountant. It was similar to pulling teeth for the 360, so, I'd prefer to stay out of divorce court for the time being.

I'm sure if I had The Show, I would love it. I am content with the gameplay of 2k8, as I'm able to draw walks and throw walks as well.

# 128 bkrich83 @ 03/21/08 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by YankeePride


	Yes they were but the reason why they were brought up is because about a week ago some against MLB2k8 started suggesting that if the game was an EA product the MLB2k8 fans would hate it. I know you are around but the Madden reference has a history to it and the MLB2k8 fans didn't start it.

It was a diehard 2k fan who brought Madden in to this thread. Just to further his agenda to take shots at EA games at any opportunity.

With this articles, I take it for what it is. An opinion piece that is representative of one man's opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't get the outrage. Opinion pieces aren't a new phenomenon.

Do I agree with his take? No not really. He's got some valid points, and 2k definitely mislead us when it came to the framerates and such. But he's entitled to his opinion, and he has this place to express his opinions. The whole why isn't "The Show" held to the same standard or "What about Madden" arguments are moot, since this wasn't a review, it was an opinion on a single game by a single guy. Madden, The Show and any other game out there is irrelevent to this article.

Not to mention, if you've been here any amount of time at all, and have any knowledge of the history of this site, the mere thought that it's somehow anti-2k is beyond ridiculous.

# 129 sbauer318 @ 03/21/08 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	He's got some valid points, and 2k definitely mislead us when it came to the framerates and such.

I was really disappointed not just by the game, but by the overall marketing. How long did it take to get some media? I thought they would want to show off their new pitching, fielding and swing stick 2.0 much earlier than they did.

I do enjoy aspects of the game, but when I combine everything, this year felt unfinished, and/or rushed. And it's not just the game. Like I said above, the marketing felt half-assed, rushed, or unfinished (whatever you want to call it) as well. Being the only officially licensed third party MLB game, I thought things would be different. I was disappointed.

# 130 spankdatazz22 @ 03/21/08 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	Not to mention, if you've been here any amount of time at all, and have any knowledge of the history of this site, the mere thought that it's somehow anti-2k is beyond ridiculous.

Then why is there a thread in the Madden forum specifically for negative posts? That was seems to have been created about a week after the game was released? As I said a few weeks back, that courtesy isn't extended to any other game - EA, 2K, 989, or otherwise. I really don't care that it's there, just pointing out the differences.

I'm not saying there's an anti-2K bias. I'm saying that all games aren't held to the same standard. I know more about The Show just from reading about it in the 2K8 forum. However, even the slightest hint of a 2K/EA debate in the Madden forum is enough cause for it to be locked. I don't visit the NCAA forum enough to know if that would be the case. I'm not trying to tell anyone how things should be modded. Just saying that this forum has been pretty much a free-for-all since the game released - if someone in any way says something derogatory about The Show for example, you're going to see someone "set them straight" so to speak. And I'm guessing the same happens in The Show forum. You go to the Madden forum and there's one big negativity thread and a bunch of sterile threads

# 131 bkrich83 @ 03/21/08 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bugblast


	There is definitely anti 2k bias, and I would go so far as to say they shill for Sony. I might get banned for saying that, oh well.

You'd be wrong, and no where near being in the ballpark, but you are entitled to your opinion.

# 132 bkrich83 @ 03/21/08 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22


	Then why is there a thread in the Madden forum specifically for negative posts? That was seems to have been created about a week after the game was released? As I said a few weeks back, that courtesy isn't extended to any other game - EA, 2K, 989, or otherwise. I really don't care that it's there, just pointing out the differences. I'm not saying there's an anti-2K bias. I'm saying that all games aren't held to the same standard. I know more about The Show just from reading about it in the 2K8 forum. However, even the slightest hint of a 2K/EA debate in the Madden forum is enough cause for it to be locked. I don't visit the NCAA forum enough to know if that would be the case. I'm not trying to tell anyone how things should be modded. Just saying that this forum has been pretty much a free-for-all since the game released - if someone in any way says something derogatory about The Show for example, you're going to see someone "set them straight" so to speak. And I'm guessing the same happens in The Show forum. You go to the Madden forum and there's one big negativity thread and a bunch of sterile threads

The reason for the Madden thread is because the same people kept repeating the same things over and over again. It really cluttered things up. I don't know about the state of those forums now, as I haven't ventured in to the Madden forums in sometime.

As someone who's been behind the scenes at this site, I can tell you, it's quite the opposite of what some people seem to be saying. If anything this has always been a pro-2k site.

As far as how the forums are modded, things for the most part in the baseball gaming forums seem to be much more civil, as opposed to the Madden forums where people and you know exactly who I am talking about seem to lose their minds.

As far as the APF thread not having one big thread for things wrong, I don't think people has as many problems with APF as they did with Madden, not to mention so many fewer people had the game, that having that thread really wasn't needed.

I know there are those that want to find a conspiracy at any chance, but there simply isn't one here.

# 133 spankdatazz22 @ 03/21/08 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	The reason for the Madden thread is because the same people kept repeating the same things over and over again. It really cluttered things up.

The same could easily be said in this forum. Very easily in fact.

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	As someone who's been behind the scenes at this site, I can tell you, it's quite the opposite of what some people seem to be saying. If anything this has always been a pro-2k site.

As I've said, it's not a matter of it being a pro-2K site or not. It's a matter of the games being judged fairly on their own merits.

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	As far as how the forums are modded, things for the most part in the baseball gaming forums seem to be much more civil, as opposed to the Madden forums where people and you know exactly who I am talking about seem to lose their minds.

Again, it's hard to say this forum is any more/less civil than any other. People say Madden sucks and has no redeeming value just as people have been saying MLB2K sucks and has no redeeming value. I'd say a big difference is there aren't OS-opinion pieces in the Madden forum saying why the gamers deserve a refund for Madden '08. And there isn't a thread to weed out the troublemakers...? rabble-rousers? in the MLB2K forum. Or any other forum for that matter.

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	As far as the APF thread not having one big thread for things wrong, I don't think people has as many problems with APF as they did with Madden, not to mention so many fewer people had the game, that having that thread really wasn't needed. I know there are those that want to find a conspiracy at any chance, but there simply isn't one here.

I didn't mention APF actually. I think most people welcomed open discussion in that forum. But much in the way the baseball game was shot down early on because of the framerate and graphics, the same was done to APF (two biggest complaints - no franchise and the graphics). Funny neither had major complaints about gameplay, which we all used to value so much.

# 134 bkrich83 @ 03/21/08 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22


	The same could easily be said in this forum. Very easily in fact.

Not even close. This forum has been much more civil than the Madden forums ever have been. Night and day.

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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22


	As I've said, it's not a matter of it being a pro-2K site or not. It's a matter of the games being judged fairly on their own merits.

How has 2k8 not been judged fairly on it's own merits?

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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22


	Again, it's hard to say this forum is any more/less civil than any other. People say Madden sucks and has no redeeming value just as people have been saying MLB2K sucks and has no redeeming value. I'd say a big difference is there aren't OS-opinion pieces in the Madden forum saying why the gamers deserve a refund for Madden '08. And there isn't a thread to weed out the troublemakers...? rabble-rousers? in the MLB2K forum. Or any other forum for that matter.

OS was a completely different format when Madden came out. I think it's quite probable you would have seen similiar pieces about Madden if the site was configured as it is now around Madden release time. There isn't a thread here like there is in Madden, because as of yet, it's simply not needed. It's in the Madden forum, as an extreme measure. And that was after MONTHS of Madden being out, not a week and a half.

You're looking for something that simply isn't there. Or just trying to cloud the picture of the shortfalls of the 2k baseball game by muddying the water with false assumptions.

# 135 awesomepatrol @ 03/21/08 07:37 PM

I'd like to say that it's highly amusing that this debate is still going on.

Here's a brief recap for anyone that doesn't feel like reading all the posts.

- People disappointed with 2K8: "I don't like this game. The frame-rate renders it unplayable, it's even worse if you want to play online, the audio is precisely the same as 2K7, the crowd is no longer interactive, it freezes constantly, etc."

- Response: "But Madden had a separate thread for negative comments!"

If only 2K8 were as amusing as this thread. . . .

# 136 spankdatazz22 @ 03/21/08 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	Not even close. This forum has been much more civil than the Madden forums ever have been. Night and day.

You do realize there are some people calling 2K devs outright liars and punks in this forum - literally. And quite regularly. I don't recall ever seeing that level of venom being directed towards developers. You and I have bickered more back and forth the past couple hours than I've seen in most forums for weeks. And that's just us.

I'll just agree to disagree w/you. Not even sure what I'm disagreeing about at this point; I've sidetracked the thread enough.

# 137 CS10029 @ 03/21/08 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by awesomepatrol


	I'd like to say that it's highly amusing that this debate is still going on. Here's a brief recap for anyone that doesn't feel like reading all the posts. - People disappointed with 2K8: "I don't like this game. The frame-rate renders it unplayable, it's even worse if you want to play online, the audio is precisely the same as 2K7, the crowd is no longer interactive, it freezes constantly, etc." - Response: "But Madden had a separate thread for negative comments!" If only 2K8 were as amusing as this thread. . . .

Like really dude, why add fuel to the fire, thats a stupid post.

I think the main point here is that the people that like this game and people that dislike this game will never agree. Im over caring what the people that dislike it think. They don't need to play it and I don't have to listen to them. So, while neither this game or The Show are perfect, I can appreciate the improvements from last years version to this years version. I feel thats the only fair comparison to make for this game, and when it comes down to that I'm happy with my purchase. I hope the people that are disappointed this year can find another game to play until next year and hopefully by then we will all be in agreement on this game. Heres to baseball!

# 138 spankdatazz22 @ 03/21/08 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by awesomepatrol


	Here's a brief recap for anyone that doesn't feel like reading all the posts. - People disappointed with 2K8: "I don't like this game. The frame-rate renders it unplayable, it's even worse if you want to play online, the audio is precisely the same as 2K7, the crowd is no longer interactive, it freezes constantly, etc." If only 2K8 were as amusing as this thread. . . .

Yet again, since you're unable to properly articulate your issues with the game you have to overstate everything. The game doesn't freeze constantly. The crowd isn't completely devoid of interaction. The audio isn't exactly the same as 2K7. The framerate doesn't render the game unplayable.

And yet again, no mention of gameplay issues.

The issues you did mention are all legitimate issues, but overstated and overblown by those arguing that they make the game completely unplayable. That's all that's been being debated

# 139 bkrich83 @ 03/21/08 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22


	You do realize there are some people calling 2K devs outright liars and punks in this forum - literally. And quite regularly. I don't recall ever seeing that level of venom being directed towards developers. You and I have bickered more back and forth the past couple hours than I've seen in most forums for weeks. And that's just us. I'll just agree to disagree w/you. Not even sure what I'm disagreeing about at this point; I've sidetracked the thread enough.

To be fair, Brinkman did flat out lie when it came to framerates. They are no where near the 60 FPS he said they were running at. And he went out and specificially mentioned how smooth it ran on the PS3, when that's no where near being close to the truth.

And no where near the venom that's leveled at the NCAA and Madden developers? Are you kidding me? Those guys get killed every year around release time. With everything from being called lazy to liars. Nice selective memory though.

# 140 bkrich83 @ 03/21/08 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22


	The audio isn't exactly the same as 2K7. The framerate doesn't render the game unplayable.

Actually the audio is exactly the same as last year. I believe the Devs have even said so.

As far as framerate being unplayable or not, that varies from person to person. I can look past it, while I can see why others would not be able to. They are pretty bad at times on the PS3 for sure.

There are a lot of things you can defend on this game. It's controls, the ball physics, etc.

Audio, presentation and framerates are really not defensible topics.

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