Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

[CMH]

Quote: Originally Posted by Renegade44

dont sit here and act like the game is perfect. be real man. enjoy yourself.

Who said the game is perfect?

[CMH]

Quote: Originally Posted by sbauer318

Does the six years include the time when the building was too small for people to get inside or does it just include the enlarged version? haha. Great movie. Edit: I also use the crazy pills reference too. I use it about once a month.

I think that's a fair quota. I think there are enough things in life to warrant heavier usage but then it would just dumb down the meaning.

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Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

He's right though. Those Madden arguments were indeed brought in to this thread.

Yes they were but the reason why they were brought up is because about a week ago some against MLB2k8 started suggesting that if the game was an EA product the MLB2k8 fans would hate it.

I know you are around but the Madden reference has a history to it and the MLB2k8 fans didn't start it.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Bk; I hear what you are saying, but I've played HH on a high end PC and enjoyed many years of it. We both know HH's graphics were substandard even 5 years ago. I want what you want too, but the way I look at it, I survived 4 years of HH on the PC and wasn't disappointed with gameplay, which is probably the key word. HH never updated the commentary and they only updated the graphics in the last year. And the commentary was more loopy than 2k8's.

Agreed. I was a die hard HH PC player myself. Where you a member of the clubhouse or the dugout or whatever that HH forum was? I was a lurker there.

The difference is, now times have changed, the consoles and the games are more expensive, the technlogy is much better. So imo, the bar has been set higher than it was 4 or 5 years ago.

Are you playing the Show? It reminds me of HH in so many ways, both in manage mode and in regular playing modes it's not even funny. The Show to me is a more advanced, refined version of HH, with outstanding graphics and presentation to go along with it. Classic pitch mode, is identical to HH's pitching mechanic, and I find myself walking batters like I did in HH.

The Pressbox view in Manage Only, is eerily similiar to the same view in HH's manage only mode as well.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

Agreed. I was a die hard HH PC player myself. Where you a member of the clubhouse or the dugout or whatever that HH forum was? I was a lurker there. The difference is, now times have changed, the consoles and the games are more expensive, the technlogy is much better. So imo, the bar has been set higher than it was 4 or 5 years ago. Are you playing the Show? It reminds me of HH in so many ways, both in manage mode and in regular playing modes it's not even funny. The Show to me is a more advanced, refined version of HH, with outstanding graphics and presentation to go along with it. Classic pitch mode, is identical to HH's pitching mechanic, and I find myself walking batters like I did in HH. The Pressbox view in Manage Only, is eerily similiar to the same view in HH's manage only mode as well.

I only lurked there myself, seemed like a lot of arguing.

I hung out mostly at Sim Central for the modding features.

Maybe the bar has been set higher, but I do remember even people with xbox's and ps2's ripping on HH graphics and sound, so, to me, nothing has changed in five years.

No, I don't have a PS3 , so, I don't have the Show, but I've heard it very close to HH. Unfortunately, I married an Accountant. It was similar to pulling teeth for the 360, so, I'd prefer to stay out of divorce court for the time being.

I'm sure if I had The Show, I would love it. I am content with the gameplay of 2k8, as I'm able to draw walks and throw walks as well.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by YankeePride

Yes they were but the reason why they were brought up is because about a week ago some against MLB2k8 started suggesting that if the game was an EA product the MLB2k8 fans would hate it. I know you are around but the Madden reference has a history to it and the MLB2k8 fans didn't start it.

It was a diehard 2k fan who brought Madden in to this thread. Just to further his agenda to take shots at EA games at any opportunity.

With this articles, I take it for what it is. An opinion piece that is representative of one man's opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't get the outrage. Opinion pieces aren't a new phenomenon.

Do I agree with his take? No not really. He's got some valid points, and 2k definitely mislead us when it came to the framerates and such. But he's entitled to his opinion, and he has this place to express his opinions. The whole why isn't "The Show" held to the same standard or "What about Madden" arguments are moot, since this wasn't a review, it was an opinion on a single game by a single guy. Madden, The Show and any other game out there is irrelevent to this article.

Not to mention, if you've been here any amount of time at all, and have any knowledge of the history of this site, the mere thought that it's somehow anti-2k is beyond ridiculous.

[sbauer318]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

He's got some valid points, and 2k definitely mislead us when it came to the framerates and such.

I was really disappointed not just by the game, but by the overall marketing. How long did it take to get some media? I thought they would want to show off their new pitching, fielding and swing stick 2.0 much earlier than they did.

I do enjoy aspects of the game, but when I combine everything, this year felt unfinished, and/or rushed. And it's not just the game. Like I said above, the marketing felt half-assed, rushed, or unfinished (whatever you want to call it) as well. Being the only officially licensed third party MLB game, I thought things would be different. I was disappointed.

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

Not to mention, if you've been here any amount of time at all, and have any knowledge of the history of this site, the mere thought that it's somehow anti-2k is beyond ridiculous.

Then why is there a thread in the Madden forum specifically for negative posts? That was seems to have been created about a week after the game was released? As I said a few weeks back, that courtesy isn't extended to any other game - EA, 2K, 989, or otherwise. I really don't care that it's there, just pointing out the differences.

I'm not saying there's an anti-2K bias. I'm saying that all games aren't held to the same standard. I know more about The Show just from reading about it in the 2K8 forum. However, even the slightest hint of a 2K/EA debate in the Madden forum is enough cause for it to be locked. I don't visit the NCAA forum enough to know if that would be the case. I'm not trying to tell anyone how things should be modded. Just saying that this forum has been pretty much a free-for-all since the game released - if someone in any way says something derogatory about The Show for example, you're going to see someone "set them straight" so to speak. And I'm guessing the same happens in The Show forum. You go to the Madden forum and there's one big negativity thread and a bunch of sterile threads