Patrick Williams: Can I Have My Money Back?

[bugblast]

There is definitely anti 2k bias, and I would go so far as to say they shill for Sony. I might get banned for saying that, oh well.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by bugblast

There is definitely anti 2k bias, and I would go so far as to say they shill for Sony. I might get banned for saying that, oh well.

You'd be wrong, and no where near being in the ballpark, but you are entitled to your opinion.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

Then why is there a thread in the Madden forum specifically for negative posts? That was seems to have been created about a week after the game was released? As I said a few weeks back, that courtesy isn't extended to any other game - EA, 2K, 989, or otherwise. I really don't care that it's there, just pointing out the differences. I'm not saying there's an anti-2K bias. I'm saying that all games aren't held to the same standard. I know more about The Show just from reading about it in the 2K8 forum. However, even the slightest hint of a 2K/EA debate in the Madden forum is enough cause for it to be locked. I don't visit the NCAA forum enough to know if that would be the case. I'm not trying to tell anyone how things should be modded. Just saying that this forum has been pretty much a free-for-all since the game released - if someone in any way says something derogatory about The Show for example, you're going to see someone "set them straight" so to speak. And I'm guessing the same happens in The Show forum. You go to the Madden forum and there's one big negativity thread and a bunch of sterile threads

The reason for the Madden thread is because the same people kept repeating the same things over and over again. It really cluttered things up. I don't know about the state of those forums now, as I haven't ventured in to the Madden forums in sometime.

As someone who's been behind the scenes at this site, I can tell you, it's quite the opposite of what some people seem to be saying. If anything this has always been a pro-2k site.

As far as how the forums are modded, things for the most part in the baseball gaming forums seem to be much more civil, as opposed to the Madden forums where people and you know exactly who I am talking about seem to lose their minds.

As far as the APF thread not having one big thread for things wrong, I don't think people has as many problems with APF as they did with Madden, not to mention so many fewer people had the game, that having that thread really wasn't needed.

I know there are those that want to find a conspiracy at any chance, but there simply isn't one here.

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

The reason for the Madden thread is because the same people kept repeating the same things over and over again. It really cluttered things up.

The same could easily be said in this forum. Very easily in fact.

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As someone who's been behind the scenes at this site, I can tell you, it's quite the opposite of what some people seem to be saying. If anything this has always been a pro-2k site.

As I've said, it's not a matter of it being a pro-2K site or not. It's a matter of the games being judged fairly on their own merits.

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As far as how the forums are modded, things for the most part in the baseball gaming forums seem to be much more civil, as opposed to the Madden forums where people and you know exactly who I am talking about seem to lose their minds.

Again, it's hard to say this forum is any more/less civil than any other. People say Madden sucks and has no redeeming value just as people have been saying MLB2K sucks and has no redeeming value. I'd say a big difference is there aren't OS-opinion pieces in the Madden forum saying why the gamers deserve a refund for Madden '08. And there isn't a thread to weed out the troublemakers...? rabble-rousers? in the MLB2K forum. Or any other forum for that matter.

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As far as the APF thread not having one big thread for things wrong, I don't think people has as many problems with APF as they did with Madden, not to mention so many fewer people had the game, that having that thread really wasn't needed. I know there are those that want to find a conspiracy at any chance, but there simply isn't one here.

I didn't mention APF actually. I think most people welcomed open discussion in that forum. But much in the way the baseball game was shot down early on because of the framerate and graphics, the same was done to APF (two biggest complaints - no franchise and the graphics). Funny neither had major complaints about gameplay, which we all used to value so much.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

The same could easily be said in this forum. Very easily in fact.

Not even close. This forum has been much more civil than the Madden forums ever have been. Night and day.

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

As I've said, it's not a matter of it being a pro-2K site or not. It's a matter of the games being judged fairly on their own merits.

How has 2k8 not been judged fairly on it's own merits?

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

Again, it's hard to say this forum is any more/less civil than any other. People say Madden sucks and has no redeeming value just as people have been saying MLB2K sucks and has no redeeming value. I'd say a big difference is there aren't OS-opinion pieces in the Madden forum saying why the gamers deserve a refund for Madden '08. And there isn't a thread to weed out the troublemakers...? rabble-rousers? in the MLB2K forum. Or any other forum for that matter.

OS was a completely different format when Madden came out. I think it's quite probable you would have seen similiar pieces about Madden if the site was configured as it is now around Madden release time. There isn't a thread here like there is in Madden, because as of yet, it's simply not needed. It's in the Madden forum, as an extreme measure. And that was after MONTHS of Madden being out, not a week and a half.

You're looking for something that simply isn't there. Or just trying to cloud the picture of the shortfalls of the 2k baseball game by muddying the water with false assumptions.

[awesomepatrol]

I'd like to say that it's highly amusing that this debate is still going on.

Here's a brief recap for anyone that doesn't feel like reading all the posts.

- People disappointed with 2K8: "I don't like this game. The frame-rate renders it unplayable, it's even worse if you want to play online, the audio is precisely the same as 2K7, the crowd is no longer interactive, it freezes constantly, etc."

- Response: "But Madden had a separate thread for negative comments!"

If only 2K8 were as amusing as this thread. . . .

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by bkrich83

Not even close. This forum has been much more civil than the Madden forums ever have been. Night and day.

You do realize there are some people calling 2K devs outright liars and punks in this forum - literally. And quite regularly. I don't recall ever seeing that level of venom being directed towards developers. You and I have bickered more back and forth the past couple hours than I've seen in most forums for weeks. And that's just us.

I'll just agree to disagree w/you. Not even sure what I'm disagreeing about at this point; I've sidetracked the thread enough.

[CS10029]

Quote: Originally Posted by awesomepatrol

I'd like to say that it's highly amusing that this debate is still going on. Here's a brief recap for anyone that doesn't feel like reading all the posts. - People disappointed with 2K8: "I don't like this game. The frame-rate renders it unplayable, it's even worse if you want to play online, the audio is precisely the same as 2K7, the crowd is no longer interactive, it freezes constantly, etc." - Response: "But Madden had a separate thread for negative comments!" If only 2K8 were as amusing as this thread. . . .

Like really dude, why add fuel to the fire, thats a stupid post.

I think the main point here is that the people that like this game and people that dislike this game will never agree. Im over caring what the people that dislike it think. They don't need to play it and I don't have to listen to them. So, while neither this game or The Show are perfect, I can appreciate the improvements from last years version to this years version. I feel thats the only fair comparison to make for this game, and when it comes down to that I'm happy with my purchase. I hope the people that are disappointed this year can find another game to play until next year and hopefully by then we will all be in agreement on this game. Heres to baseball!