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# 121
SageInfinite @ 06/29/14 03:09 PM
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# 122
JKSportsGamer1984 @ 06/29/14 03:43 PM
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# 123
hanzsomehanz @ 06/29/14 03:52 PM
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I believe EA's profit margins would reveal to decline if more folks valued the means over the end-game and the means revealed to be utterly deficient.
Apparently the gameplay is not so bad that the majority cannot cope or staunch opponents would refuse to buy at retail prices or buy at all which if that population were large enough: the protest would show in the marginal decline of sales.
I do not consider myself a gameplay connoisseur but I do have a fervent taste for quality gameplay and have my own framework of what models a state of the art delivery in gameplay.
Development costs vs Unit costs; Price to Appropriation
While I do not mind travelling my city with public transportation: the $2.75 charge for a 90 minute duration is not unreasonable. I would much prefer a better limousine ride however for $59.99.
For $59.99 I could afford a better dinner for my date and I: opposed to take-out from McDonalds we could enjoy dine-in at a fancy steak restaurant such as The Keg.
When VC listed NFL2K5 for $19.99 in contrast to Madden's $49.xx consumers felt they were still getting more from 2K than Madden in core components: presentation, audio, and gameplay.
Even to this day fans allude to the presentation and gameplay pros of that pastime that Madden has yet to yield today.
I use the above analogies to support that I do very much care about how Madden arrives to their outcomes from a gameplay POV in relation to their retail prices. The price of the product and the hardware capacities of today warrant a better state of the art delivery in gameplay.
I do not consider the gameplay unusable but I am not yet satisfied enough to upgrade to the new consoles so I can play the new Madden title on the new consoles.
I am still on the fence on whether I will purchase a copy for 360 as I have yet to see how M15 looks and plays on the past gen consoles.
Spoiler
It would be enlightening to have a gameplay review panel of gurus and experts that could opine on the gameplay of Madden opposed to hearing the continuous criticsms from laymen such ad myself who have no eye or mind for gameplay design.
I just have an eye for beauty and beauty is always beheld by the beholder.
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# 124
hanzsomehanz @ 06/29/14 03:57 PM
Im furtherance to the above from myself;
The Madden Community
The average Madden gamer is not a gameplay connoisseur - no matter how hard they criticize the game: it is not a life and death matter to their conscience.
There are millions coping with their Irritable Madden Syndrome and for most that involves adjusting sliders or simply letting out some rage which usually involves some type of primal scream (lol) before they return for another game of Madden (rinse and repeat).
If gameplay experts actually harped on the gameplay within the Madden franchise and those crticisms and rebukes went mainstream: only then could I see the public opinion channging radically to the effect that masses of consumers boycott the product until the neccessary refinements that the experts suggest are subsequently applied to the gameplay designs.
I recently read an article that reveald fans were so disappointed and up in arms about the ending to a recent Mass Effect title that EA changed the ending and made it obtainable as a DLC - this only enraged the community more but it did reveal that their complaints were heard.
I do not see the same uprising of rage steaming from the Madden community concerning gameplay.
While I feel I am getting a McDonalds happy meal in the form of Madden gameplay: other views seem to differ strongly as nobody would willingly pay $59.99 for a McD's happy meal.
Overall, the presentation and graphics are improving and proving to be delivered at a higher state of art. In respect to modes: I am a MUThead so I am interested in the developments of that mode.
Ideally, I would love to see everything value $59.99 by now in respect to core components: presentation, audio, gameplay, franchise, MUT.
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The Madden Community
The average Madden gamer is not a gameplay connoisseur - no matter how hard they criticize the game: it is not a life and death matter to their conscience.
There are millions coping with their Irritable Madden Syndrome and for most that involves adjusting sliders or simply letting out some rage which usually involves some type of primal scream (lol) before they return for another game of Madden (rinse and repeat).
If gameplay experts actually harped on the gameplay within the Madden franchise and those crticisms and rebukes went mainstream: only then could I see the public opinion channging radically to the effect that masses of consumers boycott the product until the neccessary refinements that the experts suggest are subsequently applied to the gameplay designs.
I recently read an article that reveald fans were so disappointed and up in arms about the ending to a recent Mass Effect title that EA changed the ending and made it obtainable as a DLC - this only enraged the community more but it did reveal that their complaints were heard.
I do not see the same uprising of rage steaming from the Madden community concerning gameplay.
While I feel I am getting a McDonalds happy meal in the form of Madden gameplay: other views seem to differ strongly as nobody would willingly pay $59.99 for a McD's happy meal.
Overall, the presentation and graphics are improving and proving to be delivered at a higher state of art. In respect to modes: I am a MUThead so I am interested in the developments of that mode.
Ideally, I would love to see everything value $59.99 by now in respect to core components: presentation, audio, gameplay, franchise, MUT.
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Honestly, I could care less about the game looking pretty at this point. But, to be fair, it looks better but it's still not on par with TRUE next gen graphics. Hell, even an old title like APF 2k8 has minor cloth physics. M15 is still behind on that, All they did was add a bunch of industry standard normal mapped wrinkles to the jerseys with better lighting. The players sizes have been adjusted a bit but it's still the same stiff animations engine that distracts you from said improvements. In a perfect world EA would just trash that ignite crap and rebuild Madden from the ground up to match the new tech ot today's consoles.
But back to my point. For anyone who has ever played organized football, it is IMPOSSIBLE to ignore broken mechanics, improper techniques, smoke and mirrors line play and ridiculous A.I. that Madden tries to present as real football logic. And before anyone tries to give some speech about it being a video game that should have a few glitches and play a little arcadey. Let me go back to the statement Mr. Rex Dickson himself made at E3. He was adamant that they are making a football SIMULATION. So with that said, I don't see how it's unreasonable for those of us in the community that are simheads to expect exactly that. Unfortunately Madden in it's current state is nothing of the sort. And all the many glitches it does have only amplifies that fact. Again, it goes way beyond minor gameplay fixes and presentation. Lets get the football fundamentals and logic fixed first and foremost. Because in RL football there is no spamming money plays and running the same nano-blitz BS over and over. Players taking poor angles or DBs using the wrong stance in the wrong coverage. Little crap like that should have been eliminated from the game by now. Truly sad that an old game like APF got a lot of those nuances right. How many of you guys get frustrated when you see an O-linemen running as fast as a receiver or DB? Seriously EA? Player stats are meaningless and only for show. And don't get me started on the penalty system or lack there of. Seriously, I could go on and on about the list of problems. But I like many others just want the damn game fixed to accurately replicate the sport we love. If EA is going to be the only game on the block then I want it to make me forget past games like 2k5 or any other title from the past. As it stands, it's really sad that Madden has been in existence for 25 + years and all we get are roster updates, same stiff animation system, sloppy football physics and logic, and refurbished features from past games. Simply unacceptable.
# 129
FBall Life @ 06/30/14 09:31 AM
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And the year after that.
And the year after that...
Gore's touchdown at the end of that video was a bit ridiculous. He doesn't bounce off anyone like he should. He carries it the entire way with one hand, and the last defender doesn't even react to the fact that Gore's ball carrying arm is right in front of him on his stomach, just lets him jog right by...
And as for Kaepernick's throw right before that, still looks so unnatural in the replay. Doesn't look like his weight moves at all as he prepares to throw
And as for Kaepernick's throw right before that, still looks so unnatural in the replay. Doesn't look like his weight moves at all as he prepares to throw
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The improvment is too slow. By the time Madden get's what we've been asking for the past 10 years, we'll have a new list of wants based on the great things other sports games will likely have done.
And you're on record last year saying this would be the year. How much "I tolk you so" could you really spit?
On a positive note, better interaction with the gunner at 3:01 & 3:05. Now if they can get both blockers to interact instead of one bailing...
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# 134
Greenblood60 @ 06/30/14 07:02 PM
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Hey, maybe the animations will be fixed next year. Maybe they'll be fixed the following year. I just think that whatever Tiburon did to screw up the animations ( during the last console generation ) is something that couldn't be corrected in two development cycles. I want to at least give the dev team enough credit to assume that they're not happy with the quality of the animations. I also want to believe that it's at the top of their priority list.
Or the animations may never be fixed.
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# 137
FBall Life @ 06/30/14 08:22 PM
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# 138
DeuceDouglas @ 06/30/14 10:17 PM
I'm looking forward to the day where threads with 18 pages worth of posts that actually have to do with the topic.
# 139
MajorSupreme @ 07/01/14 12:29 AM
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