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While there has some some question as to the status of the exclusivity of the Madden license, owing to the fact the last mention of the license by EA only said there were a number of years left on it with no mention of exclusivity. That was never a guarantee that the license wasn't exclusive, as EA hadn't mentioned in official documents that the license was either extended or exclusive since the initial deal -- the news of the prior extension was never fully confirmed by EA.

Expecting a different approach where EA held a pomp and circumstance parade has led to a rash of unfounded rumors that another competitor, namely 2K, was developing a football game. There was even an unfounded expectation that 2K might even debut a football title at E3.

However, the biggest news to come out of the 2K camp at E3 might have been Ronnie2K confirming that not only was 2K not working on a football game, but that the license was still exclusively owned by 'someone else.'

This isn't surprising, considering the NFL license being open for other partners would have almost certainly leaked by now by someone. The current deal's term length which has been widely speculated and rumored is that Madden still has two to three years in its current deal, pushing the game well into this new generation.

It still remains unlikely, even if the license was open, that a competitor could rise up to compete with Madden in any reasonable amount of time given the more advanced needs of today's sports gaming audience. Thus, given the license's current status, it is possible that any possible competitor wouldn't be ready for release for at least 18-24 months after the license was actually acquired by someone, which puts the most reasonable timeframe for a Madden competitor at least four to five years from now, if ever. The most likely scenario remains that EA and Madden will remain the only major NFL gaming option on big box consoles for the foreseeable future.

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# 201 StefJoeHalt @ 06/15/14 01:17 PM
Let's all be honest on many levels everyone realizes for the most part that Madden has not done as good of a job we all wanted..being I have NO background in programming at all..it appears the "base gameplay" code (or whatever it's called) is flawed..it appears that when they try and fix it something else breaks..again basic terms..the easiest way for me to compare (understand it) the whole video football game situation is this...Madden is the first girl friend i had..then new girl moves into town (2k) and the "grass was green on other side" that "girlfriend" had flaws just like the first but different flaws..then that girlfriend (2k) left and I had to go back to first girlfriend (Madden)..then while at the bar one night I met this new girl (Backbreaker)..she appeared hot but as soon as the lights turned on in the morning I realize I drink to much meeting Backbreaker and she was ugly as sin..then back to Madden I went..Madden this year was nice enough to "workout" and get this "smoking hot" new body..however when Madden opens her mouth she is dumb as "rocks"..but like woman, Madden has the power lol..and I'm stuck with good looking Madden but god she (Madden) makes me want to slam my head against the wall


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# 202 OhMrHanky @ 06/15/14 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by StefJoeHalt
Let's all be honest on many levels everyone realizes for the most part that Madden has not done as good of a job we all wanted..being I have NO background in programming at all..it appears the "base gameplay" code (or whatever it's called) is flawed..it appears that when they try and fix it something else breaks..again basic terms..the easiest way for me to compare (understand it) the whole video football game situation is this...Madden is the first girl friend i had..then new girl moves into town (2k) and the "grass was green on other side" that "girlfriend" had flaws just like the first but different flaws..then that girlfriend (2k) left and I had to go back to first girlfriend (Madden)..then while at the bar one night I met this new girl (Backbreaker)..she appeared hot but as soon as the lights turned on in the morning I realize I drink to much meeting Backbreaker and she was ugly as sin..then back to Madden I went..Madden this year was nice enough to "workout" and get this "smoking hot" new body..however when Madden opens her mouth she is dumb as "rocks"..but like woman, Madden has the power lol..and I'm stuck with good looking Madden but god she (Madden) makes me want to slam my head against the wall


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Yeah, that actually sums it up quite nicely.
 
# 203 coogrfan @ 06/15/14 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by hanzsomehanz
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madden_NFL_2005

An exert fron the Reception article

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ESPN NFL 2K5 was the first in the 2K series priced at $19.99 the day it shipped, much lower than market leader Madden NFL at $49.99. This greatly reduced Madden sales that year; one EA Sports developer recalled that "[i]t scared the hell out of us".[11] EA reduced Madden NFL 2005's price to $29.95. In December 2004 EA Sports acquired an exclusive rights agreement with the NFL and NFLPA to be the sole creator of NFL video games."
For what it's worth, according to vgchartz:

Madden NFL 2004 (North America) PS2 4.26 million units + XB 1.02 million units = 5.28 million units.

ESPN NFL Football (North America) PS2 .27 million units + XB .27 million units = .54 million units.

Madden NFL 2005 (North America) PS2 4.18 million units + XB 1.61 million units = 5.79 million units.

ESPN NFL 2k5 (North America) PS2 2.15 million units + XB .1.54 million units = 3.69 million units.
 
# 204 jmarcguy @ 06/15/14 06:52 PM
I honestly doubt I'll play another football game in what's remaining of my "gaming life". I always give Madden a chance but I admit a certain amount of bitterness. Wrongly placed bitterness but it's there.
 
# 205 SageInfinite @ 06/15/14 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FaceMask
Yep, it's undeniable. Plus, you have to thrown in their acquisition of the ESPN license, too, and consider how integral that license was to 2K's sports games at the time. These were all clearly strategic disarming tactics to shut out a strong competitor.
Yet another piece of the puzzle people forget about. Got that license and didn't jack **** with it for years.
 
# 206 jerwoods @ 06/15/14 07:18 PM
I Would had put SportsCenter in Madden 06 for the xbox 360 also made franchise mode like ESPN NFL Page as well
 
# 207 hanzsomehanz @ 06/15/14 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22
Perhaps you should stop looking at the situation only from an NFL perspective. You seem to be ignoring that the NCAA football and Arena Football League licenses also went exclusive, all within a week or two of it happening with the NFL. Again, it takes a ridiculous leap of logic to assume they were all coincidences. Especially when you consider 2K or Sony weren't even making college football games at the time. And neither had attempted an Arena League game.

EA had.

And through some miracle all these entities decided at once to make their licenses exclusive at the same time. They basically decided to raise their licensing fees to an amount [that had to be more than what they would've gotten collectively from multiple suitors] at a time when no one other than EA was showing interest in their properties. Give me a break.

EA acted to keep 2K or anyone else from making a legitimate football game by locking up every major U.S. football license - period.
Nothing you said is invalid but it also does not make the $19.99 argument anymore invalid - that price point was the impetus that set the precedence for the whirlwind of exclusive agreements that followed.

Do I believe the two, NFL and EA, were both offended by NFL 2K5's marginally low price points? Absolutely - without that notion there is not much grounds to sue the NFL or EA on regarding monopolies and price fixing the NFL video game product.

How do you know the contract stipulations of the shared license at the time? You assume it was an upfront cost - what if the NFL stipulated to also take a piece of sales, a comission incentive of sorts? Now unit prices would matter -- they had to have mattered or EA and NFL would have reached an agreement sooner when there was more competition prior to the release of ESPN 2K5 and Madden 05.

Around that time I also learn that the NFL went on a spending binge and plopped down Millions for a Visa exclusive rights agreement.

I believe they, EA and the NFL, had the same rulership motives at the time.

Some use their position on this argument like a big bang theory but give no explanation to the big bang - why did EA suddenly buy up and secure these exclusive licenses?

They saw what a smaller developer with a creative mind, like 2K, could do to infringe on their market share by selling competitively lower than the standards of the day.

EA's competitve advantage remained their capital and they used it to secure the licenses to themselves which is legal.

Yes, these actions signified that 2K was essentially neutered and kicked in the teeth when EA secured exclusive rights to the NFL and ESPN albeit they have yet to use ESPN in their subsequent Madden titles - they did it all to destroy the brand power of 2K and anyone else to follow in their shadows.

If the impetus was not price points: these deals would have been proposed and met sooner sooner if it was simply about power and control.

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# 208 24 @ 06/16/14 01:46 AM
Should I just accept the fact that there will never be another Football game other than Madden? I still have this idealistic notion that some company will rise up eventually and produce a Full Licensed NFL Game.
 
# 209 CM Hooe @ 06/16/14 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 24
Should I just accept the fact that there will never be another Football game other than Madden? I still have this idealistic notion that some company will rise up eventually and produce a Full Licensed NFL Game.
There are other NFL-licensed football games - most recently, the upcoming Football Heroes: Pro Edition on mobile platforms - and other football games in general - Goal Line Blitz, tXtFL and other text simulators, and so on.

That said, I wouldn't expect any football AAA console video games not from EA Sports anytime soon, no.
 
# 210 24 @ 06/16/14 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by CM Hooe
There are other NFL-licensed football games - most recently, the upcoming Football Heroes: Pro Edition on mobile platforms - and other football games in general - Goal Line Blitz, tXtFL and other text simulators, and so on.

That said, I wouldn't expect any football AAA console video games not from EA Sports anytime soon, no.
Thanks. It's been a long 10 years. We'll probably have to wait another full 10 to see something released on the Consoles. Who knows maybe EA will pull it together somewhere down the line and produce an awesome game.
 
# 211 Jerros @ 06/16/14 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BizDevConglomerate
Yoooooooooooooo, thanks for stealing my post. Looks like we were on the same page . lol. But that's a first I saw someone stall every word I wrote. That's true thievery. I love it. Thanks man. Now go to 2k twitter and flood em with #bringbackAPFWITHUS&KICKSTARTER
First of all, I never saw your post at all. Every word I wrote was from me but if its the same line of thinking then we are on the same page. But I want to be clear I NEVER saw or read your post. Trust me, I can send you the transcript of the idea I wrote out which is 4 pages long which details what 2k could do to make a successful game IMO. Anyway, just wanted to be clear. NEVER read your post bro. AT ALL.
 
# 212 Jerros @ 06/16/14 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BizDevConglomerate
Hey since buddy plagiarized my earlier post, it's only right I respond to you. I got the idea not info from looking at APF and Backbreaker. Also the many other generic titles that have been released. Also the fact that EA's team builder and team slots meant the use could have a bigger role in the first of customization and team creation or edits. The cloud, man if they just use the cloud, make a shell of a game and we customize it to to depth or death or deff that generic game becomes the real deal. Eff the license. That like buying a Benz to Impress people in school and your the most popular student. Buy the optima and save money for gas. It's simple. But 2k has to be down to, or better yet Visual Concepts. Visual concepts is the problem b and Scott Paterson. I do have a game concept on paper that will kill all of these games but I'm nobody. I sent it to Leigh Steinberg and VC. All we need is a real Dev, and kickstarter or fund raza to get this going. No more game being sold every year yo. They can just update the joint through cloud.
And I will respond in turn. I got the idea in my head from watching NFL converted APF rosters on youtube along with Backbreaker, but more importantly, from knowing how HUGE the mod community is already for 2k's NBA series on the PC. Also, I referenced Skyrim as an example of a game that has FULL customization from importing new models down to brand new textures. Hell, you can create all new worlds with total conversions. Granted, that game is an rpg but the idea is the same. The loophole for getting around the license is right there. All we need are the tools and vola, a new NFL game is born and we can give both EA and the NFL the finger in the process. In my write up I even talk about how Backbreaker has both an NFL and NCAA conversion. The possibilities are limitless. All 2k would have to do is make the damn game. Again, no plagiarism here. Was an idea I had that I wrote 4 pages outlining the blueprint. I was going to originally post the whole thing on 2k forums but it seems 2k could care less at this time. Still, I can't see why it wouldn't work. I can send the pages or post them here and you can clearly see I have a ton of ideas. But yeah, wanted to be CRYSTAL CLEAR, I did no COPY YOUR idea. Far from it. You want the transcript just say the word and I'll send it your way. Maybe you can add to it. Also, there's another guy on youtube with some very progressive ideas as well that I may add at some later time.
 
# 213 JMD @ 06/16/14 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by coogrfan

Madden NFL 2005 (North America) PS2 4.18 million units + XB 1.61 million units = 5.79 million units.

ESPN NFL 2k5 (North America) PS2 2.15 million units + XB .1.54 million units = 3.69 million units.
That's all the info you need right there. 2K made a huge leap forward in one dev cycle and I believe had it not been for EA buying the exclusive rights , what would have been NFL 2K6 would have out sold Madden 06 forcing EA to step up their game or pack it in.

Man how I would have loved to live in that world for the past 10 years.
 
# 214 Blzer @ 06/16/14 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JMD
That's all the info you need right there. 2K made a huge leap forward in one dev cycle and I believe had it not been for EA buying the exclusive rights , what would have been NFL 2K6 would have out sold Madden 06 forcing EA to step up their game or pack it in.

Man how I would have loved to live in that world for the past 10 years.
It all depends on your product, but growth tends to be logarithmic in this case, not linear or exponential.

Eventually you start running out of football gamers in general, you know what I mean? This also hinges on the fact that everybody would have paid a $60 for NFL 2K6 as well.
 
# 215 GROGtheNailer @ 06/16/14 10:30 AM
How do you like your cable provider? Madden is the same thing, no competition is always bad for the consumer.
 
# 216 hanzsomehanz @ 06/16/14 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Blzer
It all depends on your product, but growth tends to be logarithmic in this case, not linear or exponential.

Eventually you start running out of football gamers in general, you know what I mean? This also hinges on the fact that everybody would have paid a $60 for NFL 2K6 as well.
I value your suggestion of logarithmic growth.

The $19.99 price tag gained more try and see consumers but it would take more years of sales at the standard price rate to evaluate the *loyalty of those consumers and lasting product value of the NFL 2K brand.

When the unit prices would eventually rise in line w EA's: would the sales also continue to rise - would they even reach the same base unit sales of NFL 2K5?

I would like to see the '03 sales for the two '04 titles and compare them to the $19.99 vs $29.99 sales of 2K5 and Madden 05.

*I do not doubt the loyalty of NFL 2K fans: there does seem to be a fraction more of them playing outdated football games compared to madden fans.

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# 217 coogrfan @ 06/16/14 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by hanzsomehanz
I value your suggestion of logarithmic growth.

The $19.99 price tag gained more try and see consumers but it would take more years of sales at the standard price rate to evaluate the *loyalty of those consumers and lasting product value of the NFL 2K brand.

When the unit prices would eventually rise in line w EA's: would the sales also continue to rise - would they even reach the same base unit sales of NFL 2K5?

I would like to see the '03 sales for the two '04 titles and compare them to the $19.99 vs $29.99 sales of 2K5 and Madden 05.

*I do not doubt the loyalty of NFL 2K fans: there does seem to be a fraction more of them playing outdated football games compared to madden fans.

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Originally Posted by coogrfan
For what it's worth, according to vgchartz:

Madden NFL 2004 (North America) PS2 4.26 million units + XB 1.02 million units = 5.28 million units.

ESPN NFL Football (North America) PS2 .27 million units + XB .27 million units = .54 million units.

Madden NFL 2005 (North America) PS2 4.18 million units + XB 1.61 million units = 5.79 million units.

ESPN NFL 2k5 (North America) PS2 2.15 million units + XB .1.54 million units = 3.69 million units.
 
# 218 Greenblood60 @ 06/16/14 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FaceMask
Exactly. The NFL didn't care about the pricing. EA however did care for reasons solely regarding their own profit margins, not wanting to cut the price of Madden to hang on to market share. They said it themselves in the Pecover memos.

The whole "The NFL went crazies about $19.99!" is a long-standing inaccurate tale that was told a decade ago in conjecture by internet posters and never died, despite the facts coming out disproving the tale, which most never read.

At this point, I just figure too many people believe it now that it will just stay the story people go with. It also doesn't help that there is a guy on YouTube spreading the same misinformation to his thousands of subscribers. I saw a poster mention the facts to him at the top of one vid, but apparently he ignored it because he keeps making videos spreading the misinformation. I sometimes wonder if some of these guys are paid to do that kind of thing, like disinfo agents or something.
Exactly, the reason why EA acquired the exclusive license ( to every major American football league ) was because of the price that 2k was selling 2k5 for, and when they were releasing it. 2k5 ( if I'm not mistaken ) was released before NCAA 05 and Madden 05, which affected their sales and forced them to sell both games at a cheaper price. They also got the rights to the Hall Of Fame. 2k was still able to sign HOF players individually, but their efforts were less effective.

EA wanted to sell their games at a certain price, which was the same price as almost every other game, and they stopped 2k ( or anybody else ) from preventing that.
 
# 219 Kramer5150 @ 06/16/14 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by hanzsomehanz
*I do not doubt the loyalty of NFL 2K fans: there does seem to be a fraction more of them playing outdated football games compared to madden fans.

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and why do you think that is??
 
# 220 hanzsomehanz @ 06/17/14 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by coogrfan
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Did you share the NFL 2K(year '99/'00) sales? There is no year date offered - just looking for confirmation that those are the sales for NFL2K4.



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