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Ok, after much anticipation we finally have the OSFM Hybrid roster ready for release.

What is the OSFM Hybrid you ask?

It is the OSFM Full Minors with a full ratings re-rate. It gives a uniform blanket rating system that brings everything together and makes very realistic game play.

What does this include?

The roster is based off the OSFM, which if you don't know is a collection of great contributors, run by Knight165 who create minor league players and major league players who were not included in this game.

We have re-rated all stats for both minor leaguers whom we had info for as well as all the SCEA original players who came in the game.

The stats we use are ZiPs preseason ratings created by Dan Szymborski, they are gathered into a spreadsheet and formulated to match ratings values in the game.

All hitting and defense ratings have been changed as well as pitcher ratings not including Pitch Edits - they will be included in V2.

Potentials were also reviewed and altered where necessary.

The roster has accurate 40 man rosters to today's date, as well as accurate as possible hitting lineups and pitching lineups for all levels. Players who are currently on 60 day disabled lists or suspended are not included in their respective teams 40 man roster and can be found on the A ball roster.

Also we have added many AAA and AA players who were not included in the OSFM - some prospects may have been removed or been put in the FA Pool to make room for players who should be in the roster - you really don't want very young top prospects playing in AAA or even AA.

Stance, Motion and Equipment updates were done where we knew changes needed to be made or could be made.

PLEASE DO NOT LOOK AT THE OVERALLS FOR PLAYERS AS A WAY TO GUAGE THEIR VALUE Players overalls are weighted by a variety of things based on the position they play. With this re-rate most players did go down in overalls, and really the league balances out to where it should be. Player ratings are what they are. We made some adjustments to physical attributes but the pure stat based attributes are the same base across the board.

This is what the Overalls should represent

90+ - All Star and Superstar Caliber

80+ - high end regulars and All Starts

70+ - everyday players and bench players

60+ - Bench players and career minor league players

50+ - low level prospects and Organization fillers

Players Ratings have not been updated yet - that will be included in V2.1, so players like Solarte, Bettances, Melky Cabrera, Mark Buerhle to name a few will have lower ratings then you would expect based on their performances so far this season.

A roster like this can't happen without the support of many great individuals whom deserve a ton of credit - I hope I remember everyone and spell their names correct

ttbucsfan001 created our spreadsheet
teeds - my partner in crime, created a ton of players, handled the transactions and organizing of players we needed to create and replace
cultbuscus - spent countless hours creating and helping input ratings
sky63 - assisted for several days importing the OSFM players
DarionC14 - did 90% of the hitter re-rate
mmorg - did most of the OSFM re-rate
totte - helped with testing the roster
davis25 - helped create players
shaneomac - helped with rating and player creations

I ask that if you have constructive criticism that is fine but do not use this thread to complain. There is well over 100 hours poured into this project and several broken relationships and marriages.......lol

The roster is a little late this year, but I am very proud to put my name behind it. I hope everyone enjoys this and if you want the version with Pitch Edits it will be completed and released ASAP.

Thank you to all the helpers and the community for helping us along the way with suggestions, transaction updates and just entertaining posts.

The roster can be found in the Vault under the following name:

OSFM HYBRID 2014 V1.............psn Crapinmyshoe

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# 181 ch46647 @ 05/28/14 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by parky_17
Brandon Morrow and Macier Izturis where healthy on opening day but aren't on the 40 man for this roster because they're on the 60 day DL now, so that contradicts itsfelf
Relax everyone, Totte is creating an opening day roster set based off of Hybrid Version 2 with the pitch edits. All injured players will be moved to their normal roster spot.

He is also going to try to put together the 15 players on each team to move down off the 25 man roster before end of spring training so the CPU does not mess up the lineups.

Huge Huge HUGE help for many of us!
 
# 182 WaitTilNextYear @ 05/28/14 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cultbuscus
Quick update on the rosters. Just finished the Rockies, passed it off to iliveforthis.

That leaves 5 teams (Royals, Tigers, Twins, White Sox, and Yankees), as well as a bunch of free agents and minor league players.

I think a V2 release tonight is possible but I cannot say for sure. I don't know how many edits Willard wants to make, and I cannot say how many of the free agents and the minor leaguers we will do.
Thanks for the update. The three of you are making some very nice progress!

With 5 teams to go and an assortment of FA and MiLB guys (most of which have no pitch edits to input anyway), it looks like maybe 3 hours to go until pitch edits are complete assuming ILFT continues to crank on the last teams.

It certainly seems like a release of V2 is possible tonight, but even if that doesn't happen, I would LOVE () to get my hands on the pitch edits version when you are done so I can run some sims to test offense/pitching balance. I am really excited to see how the pitch edits will affect things on its own.
 
# 183 giantsteps @ 05/28/14 07:11 PM
I beg the baseball gods that the V2 drops before 10EST

 
# 184 cultbuscus @ 05/28/14 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear
Thanks for the update. The three of you are making some very nice progress!

With 5 teams to go and an assortment of FA and MiLB guys (most of which have no pitch edits to input anyway), it looks like maybe 3 hours to go until pitch edits are complete assuming ILFT continues to crank on the last teams.

It certainly seems like a release of V2 is possible tonight, but even if that doesn't happen, I would LOVE () to get my hands on the pitch edits version when you are done so I can run some sims to test offense/pitching balance. I am really excited to see how the pitch edits will affect things on its own.
We were just discussing the assortment. We will do all minor leaguers and only a handful of top-flight free agents we think will likely be signed. If we do not do a free-agent you want, you can always go to Seanjeezy's Google Spreadsheet, and input them yourself once you get your hands on the roster

I would like to think that a release tonight is possible. If it isn't, then it will definitely be out tomorrow.

Edit: For overalls, it did some interesting things. On the teams that I did, the most notable changes off the top of my head were Doug Fister and Stephen Strasburg. I don't remember Fister's original ratings (maybe someone can check for me) but he has a wicked curveball and change up, and it shot him up to being a 90 overall. Strasburg, who was a 91, went down to an 88, which was weird, but I think is very much attributed to how bad his slider is rated.
 
# 185 WaitTilNextYear @ 05/28/14 07:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cultbuscus
We were just discussing the assortment. We will do all minor leaguers and only a handful of top-flight free agents we think will likely be signed. If we do not do a free-agent you want, you can always go to Seanjeezy's Google Spreadsheet, and input them yourself once you get your hands on the roster

I would like to think that a release tonight is possible. If it isn't, then it will definitely be out tomorrow.
I agree that not editing all the FA pitchers is the way to go. If you run some sims, you see that 90+% of those guys retire due to poor FA market anyway and never have any impact on anything.
 
# 186 Willard76 @ 05/28/14 07:26 PM
I apologize for not organizing all of these answers to match the subject, there are just a ton of posts - you guys were busy while I drove home from work!

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Originally Posted by URBYJT
I would say suggest some edits instead of just a blanket "way better"

I think these types of ratings they used are killer for a guy like Josh Donaldson, considering he just recently broke out after 1.5 years of mediocre MLB ball.
We have a list and have decided to look at ZiPs Updates to correct some players for this year - please don't send us lists of players - we have a hit list for this release

Quote:
Originally Posted by seanjeezy
His preseason ZiPS projection seems to heavily weigh his 2012 season, the updated projection is much better (don't know if those are being used for the hybrid roster though).
We did not for the first release - second release will look at updates

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphy
As a twins fan, I love what you guys did with the twins roster. Interesting to see what Willard said about the overalls being true. Mauer is actually a very good player in this roster with 80s contact and 80s fielding but his 40 power rating knocks him down to a 78 overall. So its true to say DONT LOOK AT OVERALL.

A couple changes I would suggest would be giving Brian Dozier a power boost (as was mentioned earlier)... he is after all having an allstar caliber season with 11 bombs already. Also I think he should get a bit of a fielding boost as well, he's always been regarded as one of the best fielding 2B in the game.

Trevor Plouffe probably needs a very small contact and power boost, but where you have him now isn't too far off, he's just doing a bit of raking this season (finally), and is leading the league in doubles.

Also Danny Santana's fielding may be a tad too high, still fairly raw as a SS and i feel his fielding and especially arm strength is inflating him a bit.

Pitching wise, Kyle Gibson should have a higher stamina rating as he's gone through 7 a couple times this year, should definitely have better per 9 ratings and clutch than Correia and certainly Pelfrey lol.

Finally more of a wish but Phil Hughes has been insane this year. 4-0 in his last 6 with no walks surrendered in his last 44.2 innings. Possibly a boost to his per 9 and clutch as he has become unquestionably the twins best starter. Also Sam Deduno should now be listed as a starter, and Sam Fuld should be number 1 rather than number 5.

Thanks boys, as always a fantastic job! These are all minor details that I just noticed being a hardcore fan of the team. On another note, I'm happy with Buxton and Sano exactly where you have them. Thanks again for all the hard work this year.
Thank you, I will check those guys, I had seen them mentioned before - plus I have Hughes on my Fantasy team - we won't be downgrading players like Nolasco yet

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Originally Posted by Joba62
Do you guys think Lawrie's main position should be 2b? He plays there more this year because of Juan Fransisco. 13 out of 19 games this month he has played 2b.
He is still a 3B for now, if the Blue Jays make him a full time 2B we will change it

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Originally Posted by davis25
Funny, I just simmed 3 years of original osfm roster and only got 10 total guys hitting over .300 and just 25 over .290. This is all on average of 3 years as well. So the guys whining that these rosters are fubar, are completely wrong!


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I found the same thing - I simmed the default, OSFM1, OSFM2 and compared results to our roster as far as looking into the k/PA and bb/PA numbers for all 4 - something going on with the sim engine

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Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear
But the 25 should be over .300 not .290. In the past 5 years, there have been at least 20 batters hitting over .300 per season in MLB. Doing at least 20 sims, the most I saw was 12. It's definitely not fubar, but it could use a boost.
Just answered this one above - I think - giving boosts was tried in all hitting areas and also through a variety of different categories

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Originally Posted by URBYJT
Potential is a rating that can change on it's own. 87 for Springer seems about right.
But yeah you're right, in the sims I was running, I has a lot of Oscar Taveras MVPs.
Taveras was missed by accident - our bad on that

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Originally Posted by P.A.D.
How about the OSFM V2 roster? Any sims with that one?
Yes, look a few answers above

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Originally Posted by davis25
Willard, cant send u any pm's due to your messages are full! Ive got the last set of sim numbers, will send them in a bit when u clear it out!


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Had a ton of PM's - cleaned it out now

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Originally Posted by parky_17
I think they should of been left on the 40 man roster though because when you start a franchise they'll all be left in A ball for the season when some of them will still play this season IRL
If you use 30 team control and allow the CPU to control rosters or 40 man rosters they will get back in.

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Originally Posted by P.A.D.
WOW, I'm honestly speechless. I was one of the proponents of the dude who came in here complaining about only seeing three .300+ hitters, but apparently this is an issue with OSFM and OSFM V2, which clearly shows it's an issue with the sim engine in general and not the rosters. Willard said he tried to combat this problem, but in all his sims, he just couldn't and it was eating at him. Very interesting! Good job, guys!
Still bugging me tonight, but realize I can't fix it - we went as far as bumping up a handful of players 15 ratings points and while we got some better numbers on some sims - we got ugly numbers the next

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Kid 24
Is Totte still doing the OD thing?
Yes, I was talking to him today - he has been helping me create my hitlist of corrections

Quote:
Originally Posted by parky_17
The CPU teams, I can do my team manually because the spots are left open which is why I don't understand why they were taken off in the first place becaue they haven't been replaced by anyone
Which team was that - we may have missed promoting someone

Quote:
Originally Posted by cultbuscus
Quick update on the rosters. Just finished the Rockies, passed it off to iliveforthis.

That leaves 5 teams (Royals, Tigers, Twins, White Sox, and Yankees), as well as a bunch of free agents and minor league players.

I think a V2 release tonight is possible but I cannot say for sure. I don't know how many edits Willard wants to make, and I cannot say how many of the free agents and the minor leaguers we will do.
All depends on what time we get the roster back - by 7 or maybe 8, I could possibly have the edits done tonight, if not it will be tomorrow night

Quote:
Originally Posted by Metsfan31
Any offline link?
Not yet, I will do one for V2

Quote:
Originally Posted by parky_17
Brandon Morrow and Macier Izturis where healthy on opening day but aren't on the 40 man for this roster because they're on the 60 day DL now, so that contradicts itsfelf
These were done as current rosters, being a Jays fan I really went over their roster with a fine toothed comb - Totte will probably fix those in the OD release

Quote:
Originally Posted by msmith05
They are based on OSFM BUT......they do the updated transactions....when they mean based on osfm they mean all the minor leaguers Knight and his team build
We had to do an updated version because of how many players we added and it was just easier to manage the roster as we went along - I didn't want to spend another day or 2 updating transactions on a roster
 
# 187 romeosdistress @ 05/28/14 07:29 PM
they arent dropping tonight. let be realistic and hope for tomorrow.
 
# 188 Willard76 @ 05/28/14 07:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cultbuscus
We were just discussing the assortment. We will do all minor leaguers and only a handful of top-flight free agents we think will likely be signed. If we do not do a free-agent you want, you can always go to Seanjeezy's Google Spreadsheet, and input them yourself once you get your hands on the roster

I would like to think that a release tonight is possible. If it isn't, then it will definitely be out tomorrow.

Edit: For overalls, it did some interesting things. On the teams that I did, the most notable changes off the top of my head were Doug Fister and Stephen Strasburg. I don't remember Fister's original ratings (maybe someone can check for me) but he has a wicked curveball and change up, and it shot him up to being a 90 overall. Strasburg, who was a 91, went down to an 88, which was weird, but I think is very much attributed to how bad his slider is rated.
I found the slider seems to really have weight on everything pitching

Quote:
Originally Posted by giantsteps
I beg the baseball gods that the V2 drops before 10EST

Put up some Canadian flags and maybe I will get it there.....lol

I will do my best - my COD friends are bugging to get me back into the clan
 
# 189 jmurphy @ 05/28/14 07:35 PM
Another thing I just noticed, was playing against the A's and Josh Reddick looks a little too good. Fielding and speed are fine but I think he needs a drop in contact or power or both.
 
# 190 authentic @ 05/28/14 07:41 PM
Derek Hankins - needs to be taken off the roster.

He is with the Tigers on OSFM and in AAA. He is currently playing in Korea. He's a F potential so it shouldn't be too difficult to sub him out.
 
# 191 davis25 @ 05/28/14 07:41 PM
I think what is gonna happen is some people like using hitter happy rosters and others like using pitcher happy rosters...from what I can tell via sims osfm v2 is definitely more hitter friendly and the hybrids are much more pitcher friendly. With all the work that has been done on the hybrids with ratings, faces, and pitch edits(soon) they will definitely be what I am using. I still dislike how low the rbi numbers are, but as seasons move along, it will fix itself in the future I think!


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# 192 authentic @ 05/28/14 07:44 PM
Also, when iliveforthis finishes the Tigers, I'll be taking over. I'm going to stream the end of the edits. You can join me as I finish this task!
 
# 193 davis25 @ 05/28/14 07:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cultbuscus
We were just discussing the assortment. We will do all minor leaguers and only a handful of top-flight free agents we think will likely be signed. If we do not do a free-agent you want, you can always go to Seanjeezy's Google Spreadsheet, and input them yourself once you get your hands on the roster

I would like to think that a release tonight is possible. If it isn't, then it will definitely be out tomorrow.

Edit: For overalls, it did some interesting things. On the teams that I did, the most notable changes off the top of my head were Doug Fister and Stephen Strasburg. I don't remember Fister's original ratings (maybe someone can check for me) but he has a wicked curveball and change up, and it shot him up to being a 90 overall. Strasburg, who was a 91, went down to an 88, which was weird, but I think is very much attributed to how bad his slider is rated.

Thats funny because in at least two of my sims today Fister was like 20-8 and won the cy young, he might be unhittable now lol!


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# 194 giantsteps @ 05/28/14 07:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by authentic
Also, when iliveforthis finishes the Tigers, I'll be taking over. I'm going to stream the end of the edits. You can join me as I finish this task!

ill be watching, damnit.
 
# 195 davis25 @ 05/28/14 07:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by authentic
Also, when iliveforthis finishes the Tigers, I'll be taking over. I'm going to stream the end of the edits. You can join me as I finish this task!

Is it possible to watch this on ps4??? I logged in on my phone last night but you were gone, ive used twitch very little so I am still completely confused by it! ☺️


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# 196 mtjack17 @ 05/28/14 07:58 PM
Man I'm so pumped for Version 2 of this Hybrid set but I want to wait a little longer for Totte to release his OD Roster set that's based off the V2 Hybrid. Thanks for doing all this hard work fellas. I wish I didn't work so much or I would help out. You guys take this game to a Whole....Notha....Le-vel....
 
# 197 authentic @ 05/28/14 08:11 PM
Alright guys, ILFT has finished the Tigers and is about to get me the roster. The stream will be at www.twitch.tv/osauthentic

I'll see you there!
 
# 198 sportsnut4life @ 05/28/14 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Willard76
I found the slider seems to really have weight on everything pitching



Put up some Canadian flags and maybe I will get it there.....lol

I will do my best - my COD friends are bugging to get me back into the clan


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GO CANADA!!!!!!! (rosters tonight?)
 
# 199 WaitTilNextYear @ 05/28/14 08:18 PM
Below is just a compilation of suggested tweaks. I multi-quoted these to help separate them out from all the random posts so Willard and Co. can have easier access to them. All names are in bold so you can find them easier.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear
Had the chance to dabble for a few hours with this set and I have to say, it's a killer set. It's really amazing. The error rate is really low and I'm almost speechless. Little things that you might not notice (like removal of duplicate Jordany Valdespins) unless you're paying real close attention have all gone into countless hours of work. Kudos to you guys once again!!

To help with getting a more polished set with the pitch edits release upcoming, I thought I'd start consolidating the requests for corrections in this thread that I've seen as well as some of my own observations...(you guys have been working hard on these for a month and all we do is whine, lol ). Now mind you, these suggestions are completely ignorant of any algorithms you may be using to turn stats into ratings, but these changes should positively impact the roster as a whole.

Yasiel Puig needs large boost to throwing arm (maybe overall defense too)
Nolan Arenado needs large boost to all defensive attributes
Juan Lagares needs large boost to all defensive attributes (the guy is always on Sports Center)
Mason Williams B/T handedness are reversed
Marcus Semien is a bit too studly in sims...I'd recommend decrease to contract/power
Avisail Garcia needs his contact lowered (contact > 75 is for elites looking at other guys)
Nick Castellanos needs his contact lowered (contact > 75 is for elites looking at other guys)
Eric Hosmer needs his contact lowered (contact > 75 is for elites looking at other guys)
JP Arencibia I think you know...ahem, contact should be lowered
Bobby Abreu all attributes seem inflated (2002 version??)
Anthony Rizzo could use a small boost to vision/discipline
Darwin Barney needs contact lowered by about 15
Kris Bryant should have power comparable to Sano, Baez etc.. but is rated 20 points lower. Bryant could also use a slight contact bump. This Kris Bryant resembles Ty Wigginton more than Bryant, lol
Javy Baez hate to say this as a Cubs fan, but his power is too high by 5-10 points, he's too fast (87), and his arm strength needs a boost
Aroldis Chapman should be maxed on K/9, velo. Is only registering 9-10 K/9 in sims...should be closer to 15.
DJ LeMahieu needs his contact lowered (contact > 75 is for elites looking at other guys)
Dee Gordon needs his contact lowered (contact > 75 is for elites looking at other guys)
Andrew Cashner should probably receive a velo boost from 82
Mike Morse needs contact/power boost
Jonathan Singleton needs contact/power boost. Most advanced 1B prospect in baseball only has 49/39 contact.
Domingo Tapia could use velo boost from 68
Joey Gallo needs slight power decrease (his power is the highest in the whole roster set...more than Davis, Stanton, or Miggy...and he's yet to see an MLB pitch), needs boost in contact. He Ks a lot but not the low BA that people think.
Jean Segura needs his contact lowered (contact > 75 is for elites looking at other guys)
Derek Jeter his fielding is very slightly too high
Yangervis Solarte needs vision/discipline boost, small power boost
Dellin Betances is probably the most improved player in baseball, needs massive K/9, H/9, BB/9 increases
Brian Dozier needs power boost


I'm sure I didn't catch everything, so please suggest things that I may have missed to help Willard and Co. out.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeschafer_1
Ike Davis change # from 34 to 15
Also add Reese McGuire to the Pirates

Thanks
Quote:
Originally Posted by bdolski
The non-asian Wei-Chung Wang is in. Not the updated one that was in V2.
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Originally Posted by Joba62
Josh Donaldson's defense should be in the top 3. Maybe raise his reactions by 15 and fielding by 8. Also, his power should be around 65 for pvr and 75 pvl.
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Originally Posted by jmurphy
As a twins fan, I love what you guys did with the twins roster. Interesting to see what Willard said about the overalls being true. Mauer is actually a very good player in this roster with 80s contact and 80s fielding but his 40 power rating knocks him down to a 78 overall. So its true to say DONT LOOK AT OVERALL.

A couple changes I would suggest would be giving Brian Dozier a power boost (as was mentioned earlier)... he is after all having an allstar caliber season with 11 bombs already. Also I think he should get a bit of a fielding boost as well, he's always been regarded as one of the best fielding 2B in the game.

Trevor Plouffe probably needs a very small contact and power boost, but where you have him now isn't too far off, he's just doing a bit of raking this season (finally), and is leading the league in doubles.

Also Danny Santana's fielding may be a tad too high, still fairly raw as a SS and i feel his fielding and especially arm strength is inflating him a bit.

Pitching wise, Kyle Gibson should have a higher stamina rating as he's gone through 7 a couple times this year, should definitely have better per 9 ratings and clutch than Correia and certainly Pelfrey lol.

Finally more of a wish but Phil Hughes has been insane this year. 4-0 in his last 6 with no walks surrendered in his last 44.2 innings. Possibly a boost to his per 9 and clutch as he has become unquestionably the twins best starter. Also Sam Deduno should now be listed as a starter, and Sam Fuld should be number 1 rather than number 5.

Thanks boys, as always a fantastic job! These are all minor details that I just noticed being a hardcore fan of the team. On another note, I'm happy with Buxton and Sano exactly where you have them. Thanks again for all the hard work this year.
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Originally Posted by Jcrome
Thanks so much for all the work, really love that I found a roster that I feel does Ahmed Rosario's potential justice.
I do have a few questions though
Is there a specific reason why George Springer potential was downgraded to an 87?
Also did you guys not edit Oscar Taveras? I assume not since he only has steamer projections and not Zips, IDK if you guys have addressed this or anything, or tested and found it worked out fine but it seems like he'll be over powered as he is the Cardinals best OF(not only in OVR, but also batting stats) and I doubt that he is currently better than Craig or Holliday irl.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jcrome
Yeah I wasn't really worried about Springer just curious but Oscar Taveras seems like a potential problem [too good]

Also Zach Thornton on the Mets should be sent to AAA and Vick Black should be sent up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphy
Another thing I just noticed, was playing against the A's and Josh Reddick looks a little too good. Fielding and speed are fine but I think he needs a drop in contact or power or both.
Quote:
Originally Posted by authentic
Derek Hankins - needs to be taken off the roster.

He is with the Tigers on OSFM and in AAA. He is currently playing in Korea. He's a F potential so it shouldn't be too difficult to sub him out.
 
# 200 WaitTilNextYear @ 05/28/14 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by authentic
Alright guys, ILFT has finished the Tigers and is about to get me the roster. The stream will be at www.twitch.tv/osauthentic

I'll see you there!
Dear God, Authentic how can you not be irritated with the menu music at this point?
 


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