NBA 2K14 News Post

NBA 2K14 VC Shows Its Ugly Side

10:15 PM - December 10, 2013 by JohnDoe8865

Virtual Currency (VC) in NBA 2K14 is a problem and if consumers don't voice their concerns, it's going to get worse.

Sure, there are ways to get free VC via the mobile app (if you can get it working), but gamers shouldn't be required to use VC to do simple tasks such as changing a lineup. We can understand using it in MyTeam (as it has been successful for EA Sports and Ultimate Team), but to have it added into other modes really has the community fired up. Customization isn't as fun as it once was, since VC is needed to update accessories and the ratio is ridiculous. Could this be next?

While there are many posts here at OS slamming it, other sites such as NeoGAF and Reddit have also been killing it from day one. PastaPadre has written a detailed article on it and the hate is spilling over.

VGRevolution warned users about it last year. Twitter is filled with complaints from users actually purchasing VC and not receiving it or crashing/freezing in modes, losing what they've earned. With no official word from 2K Sports, this is becoming a very large concern.

Where do you stand on VC?

Game: NBA 2K14Reader Score: 6.5/10 - Vote Now
Platform: PC / PS3 / PS4 / Wii U / Xbox 360 / Xbox OneVotes for game: 98 - View All

NBA 2K14 Videos

Member Comments

# 241 Sundown @ 12/14/13 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PippenAintEasy


	To anyone saying 2K isn't trying to screw customers, just compare the rewards. People in this thread are talking about how you make 500 VC for scoring 38,387 career points. That's less than you earn in one game. Want to take a guess how much you earned in 2K11 before VC? 50,000 skill points. Sure you earned about 1000-3000 skill points a game if I remember correctly, but if they kept their conversion rate there, that should work out to about 20,000-30,000 VC if they were trying to keep things fair

WOW! That's extremely telling. We can't get nice rewards for achievements anymore because some bean counter at 2K freaks seeing big chunks of VC given away, because he likely equates it to money out of 2K's pocket.

This is VC, not Bitcoins, 2K...

# 242 kadzier @ 12/14/13 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PippenAintEasy


	To anyone saying 2K isn't trying to screw customers, just compare the rewards. People in this thread are talking about how you make 500 VC for scoring 38,387 career points. That's less than you earn in one game. Want to take a guess how much you earned in 2K11 before VC? 50,000 skill points. Sure you earned about 1000-3000 skill points a game if I remember correctly, but if they kept their conversion rate there, that should work out to about 20,000-30,000 VC if they were trying to keep things fair.

wow, thanks for putting numbers on this. I always knew the conversion ratio in the new games was a joke and completely unfair.

# 243 MarvinOida @ 12/14/13 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundown


	I think you're missing mine. Everything about getting 38,000 VC at once to jack up ratings heavily by scoring that last bucket is unsim. Kareem shouldn't be able to max out his 3 point shooting from 25 the moment he scores that last bucket. John Stockton doesn't get to max out his dunk the moment he breaks the assists record. Ray Allen shouldn't turn into a shot blocking and rebounding monster the moment he hits his record breaking 3. Being able to accrue large chunks of VC at once, by rewards or by purchase, and apply it directly to your player is unsim period. Which is why I prefer the whole mechanic go for XP boosts and things of that nature.

But remember. 38K points in ONE CAREER. This ain't 100pts in a game. This is a BIG deal and should be a BIG reward for one to do. Again, give me proof that there's ONE guy who BROKE that record.

If you think about it, the time to ACCOMPLISH that is justified for THAT record. You're not gonna get it in ONE season.

It's currently the impossible record NOBODY has broken.

38K isn't much if you look at that prices of boosts/myTeam.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

# 244 WarlordZMaster @ 12/14/13 10:25 PM

Make sure to get the iPad app and get the daily VC. 5000+ in 2 days!

# 245 tabarnes19_SDS @ 12/14/13 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarlordZMaster


	Make sure to get the iPad app and get the daily VC. 5000+ in 2 days!

If you can get it to work...

# 246 HowDareI @ 12/15/13 03:21 AM

It's funny how people are starting to side on the (right) side now...

I remember a while ago people were arguing that it's fair to buy VC and jack up your my player's stats...it goes full circle.

I hate the whole idea of ANYTHING being purchasable that gives someone else an advantage against a non-paying opponent: in My Team I should be able to play through game modes and get enough VC in a few games to buy a gold pack. And that's another point..

MyTeam should be the only mode VC actually effects..the whole point of MyPlayer was to get your player as good as possible, and that it didn't just happen overnight. I remember being 30 games into the season in 2K10 and only being like a 65. Then 2K11 came out, and I got into crew. Actually playing through MyPlayer had rewards in the form of playing Crew (when it was working and their weren't hackers.)

Yea, if they want to make clothes, custom shoes, glasses, whatever purchasable with VC you can buy/earn..that's cool, it makes sense; but what doesn't make sense is how it's fair someone can buy their 99 overall, posterizer, dead eye, etc and be an unstoppable player DAY 1. You can't defend cheese like that...I don't care how good you are.

VC is a slap in the face of people that play fair, people that don't take the cheap way out (ironic), people that actually want to level their guy up the way it was intended.

But I doubt VC will ever be gone now, too many cheesy bums have to take the easy route...

# 247 RangersCruz @ 12/15/13 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowDareI


	It's funny how people are starting to side on the (right) side now... I remember a while ago people were arguing that it's fair to buy VC and jack up your my player's stats...it goes full circle. I hate the whole idea of ANYTHING being purchasable that gives someone else an advantage against a non-paying opponent: in My Team I should be able to play through game modes and get enough VC in a few games to buy a gold pack. And that's another point.. MyTeam should be the only mode VC actually effects..the whole point of MyPlayer was to get your player as good as possible, and that it didn't just happen overnight. I remember being 30 games into the season in 2K10 and only being like a 65. Then 2K11 came out, and I got into crew. Actually playing through MyPlayer had rewards in the form of playing Crew (when it was working and their weren't hackers.) Yea, if they want to make clothes, custom shoes, glasses, whatever purchasable with VC you can buy/earn..that's cool, it makes sense; but what doesn't make sense is how it's fair someone can buy their 99 overall, posterizer, dead eye, etc and be an unstoppable player DAY 1. You can't defend cheese like that...I don't care how good you are. VC is a slap in the face of people that play fair, people that don't take the cheap way out (ironic), people that actually want to level their guy up the way it was intended. But I doubt VC will ever be gone now, too many cheesy bums have to take the easy route...

Um is anybody forcing you to buy it? no you can go earn VC and take the long route.

There is nothing about it being cheesy or calling people bums that want to buy it especially considering the goals that your coach gives you and your rival already being 10+ overall higher then you

# 248 HowDareI @ 12/15/13 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RangersCruz


	Um is anybody forcing you to buy it? no you can go earn VC and take the long route. There is nothing about it being cheesy or calling people bums that want to buy it especially considering the goals that your coach gives you and your rival already being 10+ overall higher then you

If you're not good enough to beat someone 10 overall higher than you than you probably suck at the game. Tough sh!t...

Not everyone has to be the best at a game anyway...it is what it is. Since when is this 3rd grade where everyone needs to be #1? I'll go play Call of Duty right now and go like 30-10 then get my butt handed to me by a dude that's a lot better....only difference is he didn't pay extra to be better, he just is.

Tell me why it isn't cheesy I was playing against 99 overalls on Park day 1?
Tell me why it ain't cheesy that I want to legit get a 99 and not pay extra..
It's not cheesy some dude dumped out like 40 bucks for an all gold lineup while my best player is Rashard Lewis in MyTeam...? Just cuz I don't feel like paying extra?

I spent my $60 on this just like everyone else...the only thing that should effect whether or not I get beat is skill, not how much extra money some dude's willing to spend.

Like I said, with $50 people buy unstoppable players, fit em with the cheesiest sig skills, and dominate on park. But nah, it's totally fair that I earn 500 VC at most a game and would take me like 4 seasons to get to his skill level..

Get outta here bruh, sayin it aint cheesy..you're just justifying your purchase bruh.

# 249 Sundown @ 12/15/13 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarvinOida


	But remember. 38K points in ONE CAREER. This ain't 100pts in a game. This is a BIG deal and should be a BIG reward for one to do. Again, give me proof that there's ONE guy who BROKE that record. If you think about it, the time to ACCOMPLISH that is justified for THAT record. You're not gonna get it in ONE season. It's currently the impossible record NOBODY has broken. 38K isn't much if you look at that prices of boosts/myTeam. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Still missing the point seemingly. It's simply unsim to get a huge chunk of VC/Skillpoints to jack up a character instantly. Just as it's unsim to be able to purchase a chunk of VC, period. I'm against that mechanic all together. This applies to both the achievement in question and all other more accessible achievements.

I'm all for large rewards if they're kept to cosmetic items, packages, badges/sig skills, or XP boosts so you at least have to play through your progress.

# 250 MarvinOida @ 12/15/13 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundown


	Still missing the point seemingly. It's simply unsim to get a huge chunk of VC/Skillpoints to jack up a character instantly. Just as it's unsim to be able to purchase a chunk of VC, period. I'm against that mechanic all together. This applies to both the achievement in question and all other more accessible achievements. I'm all for large rewards if they're kept to cosmetic items, packages, badges/sig skills, or XP boosts so you at least have to play through your progress.

You're still messing the big picture. This is for the SCORING RECORD. Period. I don't think you could actually simulate and expect that.

Career records should give a good payoff since you obviously HAD to play for it. Let alone earn your way. even if you do get that VC and let's say, start a new career, a lot of that will drain really quickly.

There's no way you can simulate and actually get that record.

Again, you're dodging the fact where no one has ever done it and will most likely will not happen for a Long time.

What your idea of where that VC can be spent on is on you. I believe it's deserved to have a higher payoff for contracts the more you get better and you get higher VC when you break a Career record.

The prices on some things are just flat out ridiculous

Here's what I would be talking about. (Using Smoove's myCareer, note that he's already 81, but since you would've broken that scoring record, I highly doubt you kept yourself at a low level. So this is a reference to spending 38k VC on brand new myCareer, remember that these prices are SOO much higher when your lower.)

Spoiler

I would stop using the "sim" argument since myCareer is taking a bad direction for that aspect. There's no "sim" definition of earnings anyways since it's Mario coins we are earning. Heck, maybe someone can earn more Mario coins in a Mario game then you scoring 38,000 points in myCareer

If you want this sim, then you wouldn't even be doing this VC concept, you would just play the game and if you're hot, you get a small gain, cold, decrease, consistently good, large boosts, consistently bad, larger sores, etc.

But since VC is currently here, that's why I believe in what I am saying with increasing the earning system.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

# 251 PimArkes @ 12/15/13 10:49 AM

I'm so friggin' done with this bull**** VC stuff in this game. Everything is insanely expensive, just ridiculous. Then you here about an app that you can download to get vc. Only the app constantly says my e-mail is not in the system, some old **** cause I did. Then I send e-mail to support team with this outlined, a week later you get a response that I need to sign up first. WTF!! Are you f****** kidding me! So no 1000 free vc a day (which is a lot, but aight, I soldier on).

Then you start working your *** of in this game in the limited time you have (i actually study, have to work 20 hours a week to pay my rent and stuff) and you buy levelup for 1000vc, but 2K server don't respond. Go to work, come back 5 hours later, STILL SAVING TO SERVER! So don't know what to do, close the game and what do you now, 1800vc has been stolen from my account without me getting the thing I bought. F*** this!

That was yesterday, now I bought something again and again the 2K server don't respond. Been waiting close to an hour now, but 2K probably stole form me again. I think it's absolutely ********

Sorry for the rant, but I'm just so pissed off right now and 2K just won't listen when you send them an e-mail.

# 252 knick9 @ 12/15/13 11:25 AM

I spent 160,000 VC to buy 12 gold packs in MyTeam and guess what I got for it? TEN repeat gold players and two new ones: Brook Lopez and Manu Ginobli...these are the kinds of things that make us go crazy.

# 253 pikten @ 12/15/13 11:32 AM

idk if anyone post this video but this is the future that 2k dreaming http://youtu.be/4IZkZTWK2KI its a parody video but...... who knows

# 254 RangersCruz @ 12/15/13 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowDareI


	If you're not good enough to beat someone 10 overall higher than you than you probably suck at the game. Tough sh!t... Not everyone has to be the best at a game anyway...it is what it is. Since when is this 3rd grade where everyone needs to be #1? I'll go play Call of Duty right now and go like 30-10 then get my butt handed to me by a dude that's a lot better....only difference is he didn't pay extra to be better, he just is. Tell me why it isn't cheesy I was playing against 99 overalls on Park day 1? Tell me why it ain't cheesy that I want to legit get a 99 and not pay extra.. It's not cheesy some dude dumped out like 40 bucks for an all gold lineup while my best player is Rashard Lewis in MyTeam...? Just cuz I don't feel like paying extra? I spent my $60 on this just like everyone else...the only thing that should effect whether or not I get beat is skill, not how much extra money some dude's willing to spend. Like I said, with $50 people buy unstoppable players, fit em with the cheesiest sig skills, and dominate on park. But nah, it's totally fair that I earn 500 VC at most a game and would take me like 4 seasons to get to his skill level.. Get outta here bruh, sayin it aint cheesy..you're just justifying your purchase bruh.

Lol VC ain't going anywhere i don't need to justify anything if i want VC i'll buy it i don't care about the park online or blacktop whatever it's called i don't go online on 2k period because it's bad.

Try playing on HOF your 2nd game when your guy can't make a wide open layup or hit even a mid range shot and you're supposed to outscore Jackson Ellis with your 61 overall and you're coming off the bench for 5-10 mins only while hes playing 30+

# 255 RangersCruz @ 12/15/13 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarvinOida


	You're still messing the big picture. This is for the SCORING RECORD. Period. I don't think you could actually simulate and expect that. Career records should give a good payoff since you obviously HAD to play for it. Let alone earn your way. even if you do get that VC and let's say, start a new career, a lot of that will drain really quickly. There's no way you can simulate and actually get that record. Again, you're dodging the fact where no one has ever done it and will most likely will not happen for a Long time. What your idea of where that VC can be spent on is on you. I believe it's deserved to have a higher payoff for contracts the more you get better and you get higher VC when you break a Career record. The prices on some things are just flat out ridiculous Here's what I would be talking about. (Using Smoove's myCareer, note that he's already 81, but since you would've broken that scoring record, I highly doubt you kept yourself at a low level. So this is a reference to spending 38k VC on brand new myCareer, remember that these prices are SOO much higher when your lower.) Spoiler In Smoove's case, if we spent that VC on only those 5 stats, already over half of it is gone. Speed would be the VC spender and also dunks. Keep in mind animations, sig skills, and other modes have not even been touched yet. Only attributes. I would stop using the "sim" argument since myCareer is taking a bad direction for that aspect. There's no "sim" definition of earnings anyways since it's Mario coins we are earning. Heck, maybe someone can earn more Mario coins in a Mario game then you scoring 38,000 points in myCareer If you want this sim, then you wouldn't even be doing this VC concept, you would just play the game and if you're hot, you get a small gain, cold, decrease, consistently good, large boosts, consistently bad, larger sores, etc. But since VC is currently here, that's why I believe in what I am saying with increasing the earning system. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I thought breaking the team record would get me some nice VC well..nothing just a press conference

# 256 lnin0 @ 12/15/13 12:30 PM

Don't kid yourself that 'this won't fly'. It will, and gamers will be to blame.

2K hasn't bent on VC since introducing it in 2K13, they have actually increased its reach and many of the complaints we hear aren't about the pricing structure, but about people who purchased VC and then lost it in a corrupt file. So gamers, maybe forced into a corner, ARE already buying into this system.

Two things can change it. Gamers can stand up, and not just scream about it, but boycott it. Don't subscribe to these sales tactics and force publisher to change the model.

The other, more likely out come, is that all publishers start to prescribe to these tactics. Soon, a $60 game, is only a $60 entry ticket into a buffet where you pay buy the ounce. This is effectively a price increase turning a $60 game into a $100 game.

Gamers will adapt to this by buying fewer games, which in turn will only drive publishers to raise the cost of each game. Gamers who once purchased Madden, FIFA and NHL at a straight $60 will cut back and buy only one, maybe two of those titles, knowing they will need to invest another $20-$40 to actually play those games.

Gamers wont stop spending the same amount but what they do spend will be spread across a much smaller spectrum of games. This will kill off all but the very large franchises and make publishers unwilling to gamble on anything new. Fewer options at the store will mean fewer and fewer people find a gaming niche they are willing to 'invest' in.

Console gaming will implode on itself and its own greed. It wont happen over night but it will happen. The 'next generation' may not be a 'game' console but instead you maybe buying a 'Madden Console' or a 'COD Console' that has a single purpose - to drip feed you a generation of Madden products.

# 257 VDusen04 @ 12/15/13 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lnin0


	Don't kid yourself that 'this won't fly'. It will, and gamers will be to blame. 2K hasn't bent on VC since introducing it in 2K13, they have actually increased its reach and many of the complaints we hear aren't about the pricing structure, but about people who purchased VC and then lost it in a corrupt file. So gamers, maybe forced into a corner, ARE already buying into this system. Two things can change it. Gamers can stand up, and not just scream about it, but boycott it. Don't subscribe to these sales tactics and force publisher to change the model. The other, more likely out come, is that all publishers start to prescribe to these tactics. Soon, a $60 game, is only a $60 entry ticket into a buffet where you pay buy the ounce. This is effectively a price increase turning a $60 game into a $100 game. Gamers will adapt to this by buying fewer games, which in turn will only drive publishers to raise the cost of each game. Gamers who once purchased Madden, FIFA and NHL at a straight $60 will cut back and buy only one, maybe two of those titles, knowing they will need to invest another $20-$40 to actually play those games. Gamers wont stop spending the same amount but what they do spend will be spread across a much smaller spectrum of games. This will kill off all but the very large franchises and make publishers unwilling to gamble on anything new. Fewer options at the store will mean fewer and fewer people find a gaming niche they are willing to 'invest' in. Console gaming will implode on itself and its own greed. It wont happen over night but it will happen. The 'next generation' may not be a 'game' console but instead you maybe buying a 'Madden Console' or a 'COD Console' that has a single purpose - to drip feed you a generation of Madden products.

Haunting...

# 258 Sundown @ 12/15/13 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarvinOida


	You're still messing the big picture. This is for the SCORING RECORD. Period. I don't think you could actually simulate and expect that. Career records should give a good payoff since you obviously HAD to play for it. Let alone earn your way. even if you do get that VC and let's say, start a new career, a lot of that will drain really quickly. There's no way you can simulate and actually get that record. Again, you're dodging the fact where no one has ever done it and will most likely will not happen for a Long time. What your idea of where that VC can be spent on is on you. I believe it's deserved to have a higher payoff for contracts the more you get better and you get higher VC when you break a Career record. The prices on some things are just flat out ridiculous Here's what I would be talking about. (Using Smoove's myCareer, note that he's already 81, but since you would've broken that scoring record, I highly doubt you kept yourself at a low level. So this is a reference to spending 38k VC on brand new myCareer, remember that these prices are SOO much higher when your lower.) Spoiler In Smoove's case, if we spent that VC on only those 5 stats, already over half of it is gone. Speed would be the VC spender and also dunks. Keep in mind animations, sig skills, and other modes have not even been touched yet. Only attributes. I would stop using the "sim" argument since myCareer is taking a bad direction for that aspect. There's no "sim" definition of earnings anyways since it's Mario coins we are earning. Heck, maybe someone can earn more Mario coins in a Mario game then you scoring 38,000 points in myCareer If you want this sim, then you wouldn't even be doing this VC concept, you would just play the game and if you're hot, you get a small gain, cold, decrease, consistently good, large boosts, consistently bad, larger sores, etc. But since VC is currently here, that's why I believe in what I am saying with increasing the earning system. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I think we're just talking over each other. I don't really see how difficult an achievement is has anything to do with how the VC reward mechanic should work for realistic player progression (gradual and not in giant chunks). This applies to all rewards regardless of difficulty. I suggested alternatives that would allow for large rewards and gradual but accelerated skill progression.

Just because no one has done it or it's rare to achieve doesn't mean it's okay for the reward to be applied in an unsim way.

Skill points/VC should not be given in large chunks for overnight mastery of skills period in an ideal system that's somewhat sim.

# 259 Sundown @ 12/15/13 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RangersCruz


	Lol VC ain't going anywhere i don't need to justify anything if i want VC i'll buy it i don't care about the park online or blacktop whatever it's called i don't go online on 2k period because it's bad. Try playing on HOF your 2nd game when your guy can't make a wide open layup or hit even a mid range shot and you're supposed to outscore Jackson Ellis with your 61 overall and you're coming off the bench for 5-10 mins only while hes playing 30+

Don't play on HOF period. HOF with massively boosted CPU attributes is cheese and any complaints about balance and difficulty is a non starter.

# 260 MarvinOida @ 12/15/13 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundown


	I think we're just talking over each other. I don't really see how difficult an achievement is has anything to do with how the VC reward mechanic should work for realistic player progression (gradual and not in giant chunks). This applies to all rewards regardless of difficulty. I suggested alternatives that would allow for large rewards and gradual but accelerated skill progression. Just because no one has done it or it's rare to achieve doesn't mean it's okay for the reward to be applied in an unsim way. Skill points/VC should not be given in large chunks for overnight mastery of skills period in an ideal system that's somewhat sim.

I understand that system but again 38K is not much.

In an ideal system, VC is gone. And you get a base player and improve base on your performance, not buy your stats.

That's more Sim and will be more sim than this VC system.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

« Previous 1 2…7 8 9 10 11 121314 15 Next »

More Links

NBA 2K14 VC Shows Its Ugly Side