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Madden 25 Next-Gen Living Worlds Trailer

05:46 PM - November 7, 2013 by hawley088

EA Sports just released the new Living Worlds trailer for next-gen Madden NFL 25.

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# 141 wordtobigbird @ 11/08/13 01:08 PM

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	52 jersey. 12 jersey. Yellow sleeve. Greenbay Logo T-Shirt. Greenbay Logo Polo. Gray shortsleeve. Gray longsleeve. Red shirts Hats on Hats off Green billed vs Yellow billed hat Various Skintones IDK how many models Madden said they had but if I can pretty much point them out in a whole two sections of the stadium almost. I don't think thats enough variety. No one in greenbay is wearing a jacket or a beanie compared to Phillies striped jersey Bue vest/Brown shirt Red hoody up. Red hoody down. Red jacket w blue hood Striped Sleeve jacket. Brown hoody. Green vest/gray sleeves. Blue hoody. Green jacket, pink turtleneck White hoody Red shortsleeve Red tank white undershirt Black/grey jacket Purple beanie Black beanie Phillies hat blue brim Philies hat red brim Blue phillies hat red brim Blue phillies hat blue brim Hoodys up Orange earmuffs. Red earmuffs. Blank hat Red beret Tan beret Gray beanie Backwards vs forwards hats Its just night and day.. and this is current gen mlb the show and next gen madden?

Madden has a long way to go. And I'll leave it at that.

The crowd reactions are what impress me, the models themselves? Underwhelming.

# 142 roadman @ 11/08/13 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wordtobigbird


	without a doubt ALL of this is better than current gen Madden and I do like what they are doing but it could be a whole lot better and has been in other, older games. Lol seriously? we are going that route? "ill be too busy playing to notice the details" Um when they show you a cutscene of the crowd cheering, thats all you will me looking at. But hey, it doesnt matter. I'm not saying its a game killer or ruins the entire feature BUT it shows Madden is again missing almost all the attention to detail. Don't sell me living worlds/1000s of models in the crowd and I can point out the repeated 10 easily.

Did marketing say 1000 different models?

Do we all play and view the game the same way? I never really paid much attention to the cutouts after scoring, so, I doubt if I'll pay attention to the crowd after a score.

To each their own. For some people it's important, for me, not so. I'm more concerned with the crowd swelling at the right times, ie 3rd and short, interceptions etc....

# 143 El_Poopador @ 11/08/13 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasFan2005


	I agree with most of what you said, but let's be honest; if a "dev" has to go to a videogame forum for "stuff that can help" make his job easier, then something is very wrong. I get it, Madden "devs" are human, but I still hate the fact that we know these people by name in order to humanize them. I don't care who is working on the game, I don't care what his name is, I don't care how many years he's been in the business, I don't care how many hours/day he has to work, I simply don't care. Just make a game that's actually worth $60. Enough with the excuses

i think what hes saying is that devs go to forums to see what the most talked about things are that fans want to see fixed. im sure they have a laundry list of things that they know need fixing but i would imagine in a lot of cases they want to see what the most pressing things are. but when all they see in every thread is "i dont like this game i like game x better" then why would they bother? theyre not getting any useful info from that.

# 144 wordtobigbird @ 11/08/13 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	Did marketing say 1000 different models? Do we all play and view the game the same way? I never really paid much attention to the cutouts after scoring, so, I doubt if I'll pay attention to the crowd after a score. To each their own. For some people it's important, for me, not so. I'm more concerned with the crowd swelling at the right times, ie 3rd and short, interceptions etc....

I am more concerned with that as well. Like I said, the most important thing is the crowds reaction and thats all audio engineering. They spoke about it in that podcast and i look forward to hearing.

But this nonchalant attitude about the details in the game is part of the reason the game is the way it is. What I am talking about is realism and immersion. I skip every cutscene I can usually, I'm just impatient. Doesn't mean it isn't important to the game. First you tried to defend not having ANY women models because Lambeu was all men in your section. Then you say who cares about whether they are blonde or brunette? Who mentioned anything about that? No one is getting that nitpicky.

This reminds me of the guy that says "I'm looking at the defense when I'm passing, who cares about the throwing animations." But hey, whatever works for you.

And if you watch the trailer it clearly says: "40,000 3D character models". Now maybe that means 40,000 3D clones.. IDK. But it sounds a lot like when they say they added hundreds of new catching animations and you only see the same 5-10.

# 145 El_Poopador @ 11/08/13 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	Did marketing say 1000 different models? Do we all play and view the game the same way? I never really paid much attention to the cutouts after scoring, so, I doubt if I'll pay attention to the crowd after a score. To each their own. For some people it's important, for me, not so. I'm more concerned with the crowd swelling at the right times, ie 3rd and short, interceptions etc....

i agree with this. i would rather they focus on getting the on-field game to look and play naturally, and just have the atmosphere feel organic (sounds, commentary, etc.) than have them worry about the appearance of diversity in the stands. once they have a great game of football then they can worry about things like that.

# 146 wordtobigbird @ 11/08/13 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Poopador


	i agree with this. i would rather they focus on getting the on-field game to look and play naturally, and just have the atmosphere feel organic (sounds, commentary, etc.) than have them worry about the appearance of diversity in the stands. once they have a great game of football then they can worry about things like that.

If this was the case they wouldnt be doing ANYTHING sideline/crowd related because the on the field is a complete mess. If you are going to bring attention to something, do it right. They are bringing attention to the crowds now and theres plenty wrong with them.

If this was the Oline interaction trailer I would't be calling out the crowds in the background.

# 147 roadman @ 11/08/13 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wordtobigbird


	I am more concerned with that as well. Like I said, the most important thing is the crowds reaction and thats all audio engineering. They spoke about it in that podcast and i look forward to hearing. But this nonchalant attitude about the details in the game is part of the reason the game is the way it is. What I am talking about is realism and immersion. I skip every cutscene I can usually, I'm just impatient. Doesn't mean it isn't important to the game. First you tried to defend not having ANY women models because Lambeu was all men in your section. Then you say who cares about whether they are blonde or brunette? Who mentioned anything about that? No one is getting that nitpicky. This reminds me of the guy that says "I'm looking at the defense when I'm passing, who cares about the throwing animations." But hey, whatever works for you. And if you watch the trailer it clearly says: "40,000 3D character models". Now maybe that means 40,000 3D clones.. IDK. But it sounds a lot like when they say they added hundreds of new catching animations and you only see the same 5-10.

1. Again, I didn't say no women, I said 85% men, which leaves about 3 or 4 women in our section.

2. The blondes vs brunette thing was meant as a joke, but I guess, on a messageboard, it's difficult to tell.

3. The look of the crowd has not been important to me in all the years I've played sports games. That doesn't mean it's not on someone's priority list or radar. Just not on mine.

I skip through cut scene's too or I'd be playing a game close to two hours.

# 148 wordtobigbird @ 11/08/13 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	1. Again, I didn't say no women, I said 85% men, which leaves about 3 or 4 women in our section. 2. The blondes vs brunette thing was meant as a joke, but I guess, on a messageboard, it's difficult to tell. 3. The look of the crowd has not been important to me in all the years I've played sports games. That doesn't mean it's not on someone's priority list or radar. Just not on mine. I skip through cut scene's too or I'd be playing a game close to two hours.

Madden could at least have 3-4 women scattered around and it would be cool. Seems like they have no female NFL fans.

I know you were joking but the joke but its a sarcastic one based on premise that someone is being overly nitpicky about the crowd.

I agree. The look of the crowd has never been on my "madden wishlist". But this is the living worlds trailer, so I looked at them.

I like to play full 15 minute qtrs so i don't mind the time thing but I just am anxious to get to my next play lol. That and usually it's the same handful of cut scenes. I don't need to see the water boy for the 15th time in a game or that lame "coach is mad at the guy who got the penalty" one.

# 149 SageInfinite @ 11/08/13 01:45 PM

I only skip through the cutscenes because they're terrible. I love presentation, but I can see why people button through everything on Madden. The effort is minimal. If they don't go real time next year, I'm not even gonna think about opening my wallet.

# 150 Dogslax41 @ 11/08/13 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SageInfinite


	I only skip through the cutscenes because they're terrible. I love presentation, but I can see why people button through everything on Madden. The effort is minimal. If they don't go real time next year, I'm not even gonna think about opening my wallet.

I can't imagine they won't considering FIFA is doing it this year, but you never know. At the end of the day now that they have basically showed their hand on all their new back of the box features I think I'll end up getting it but only because of the Target buy two get one free deal.

I think they improved just enough to make it in as the sixth game i pick up but only because there are 4 games I really want and 6 for the price of 4 is better than 4 for the price of 3. So I sum it up as they improved enough for me to add them as my free game, but in no way would I spend $60 on it.

All that being said if they have not fixed the repeating draft class issue that broke current gen for me then I am going to go into my back yard pick a nice piece of dog poop, put it in the Madden case and return it to them at my expense.

# 151 therealsmallville @ 11/08/13 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Poopador


	i think what hes saying is that devs go to forums to see what the most talked about things are that fans want to see fixed. im sure they have a laundry list of things that they know need fixing but i would imagine in a lot of cases they want to see what the most pressing things are. but when all they see in every thread is "i dont like this game i like game x better" then why would they bother? theyre not getting any useful info from that.

Hey, at least somebody gets it. Cheers!

# 152 jpdavis82 @ 11/08/13 02:45 PM

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	Hey, at least somebody gets it. Cheers!

One thing I will point out, is the Game Changers website. I think that interactive sidelines was the number one thing on there. I think number two was footplanting, so it does seem like the ideas on that website are a high priority for them.

# 153 roadman @ 11/08/13 03:19 PM

I button press in all sports games just because I don't have the time. I have three very active kids and time with gaming has become limited.

Options all around are great to have for all types of gamers.

# 154 El_Poopador @ 11/08/13 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	"Why would they bother" what, interacting with the whole forum, that particular post/poster, even reading any forums at all? I'm trying to get some clarity because I don't want to take your post out of context but I don't get the justification for extremes. I just made a post addressing the same tactic used in-game in reference to presentation, some don't bother with it so Tiburon doesn't focus on it. Seems like the same extreme being espoused in relation to devs interacting with forums, if everyone posting isn't uniform and in agreement, the devs won't bother. That's being petty and unreasonable, this is a message board, not an actual vocal public forum where people can scream out obscenities or physically attack someone. I notice people hark back to how things went when Ian interacted on OS about Madden and going back to look at it, I think that "mistreatment" gets blown out of proportion too. Again, this is a adequately moderated message board, where any blatantly offensive posts/posters are dealt with, no need to avoid the boards entirely. Chase B and DCEBB have carried on entire Madden threads where the interact with OS about their personal work, even with those that disagree with it, without taking their ball home. It's like some people want there to be special rules for approaching Madden and those affiliated with creating it, that gets propagated at times. I refuse to accept that notion and hold Madden and its' staff to the same basic standard of other sports sims and their staff.

im referring only to people who dont offer anything constructive, by just saying "madden sucks, 2k8 was better" and i think thats what the poster i quoted was also saying. but when half the posts dont actually say anything useful, it can get frustrating.

now in your case, you posted your issue, and then gave logical reasoning to back it up. i have no problem at all with that. in fact, i would encourage it, because thats how it gets done. but for example if i grill a steak for someone, and they just say "it sucks, my wife makes it better" does that help me make a better steak next time? the same goes for someone saying "it was great". what about it was great? it obviously isnt perfect, so tell me what i should keep and what i should change.

# 155 jmurphy31 @ 11/08/13 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	I button press in all sports games just because I don't have the time. I have three very active kids and time with gaming has become limited. Options all around are great to have for all types of gamers.

Options are the way to go..they should be able to add a toggle switch for presentation or no presentation elements.

As for not having time, I m glad the next gen have the ability to save games. For the life of me I never figured out why EA failed to put that in this gen (except they really cater to the online and head to head guys)

I button mash through a lot now, not only because I have a kid who wants to play my xbox, but most of the cut scenes arent very good.

# 156 therealsmallville @ 11/08/13 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Poopador


	im referring only to people who dont offer anything constructive, by just saying "madden sucks, 2k8 was better" and i think thats what the poster i quoted was also saying. but when half the posts dont actually say anything useful, it can get frustrating. now in your case, you posted your issue, and then gave logical reasoning to back it up. i have no problem at all with that. in fact, i would encourage it, because thats how it gets done. but for example if i grill a steak for someone, and they just say "it sucks, my wife makes it better" does that help me make a better steak next time? the same goes for someone saying "it was great". what about it was great? it obviously isnt perfect, so tell me what i should keep and what i should change.

That's exactly what my post that you replied to was saying.

And Big F'n Deal: I'm not saying there should be board uniformity; far from it. I know that Chase & others interacted with negative posters. But when someone comes out recently (I think it was Rex? Or was it Clint?) and basically says "insulting us makes us not want to interact", then I have to assume that is the stance of all Madden developers. Until stated otherwise, when 1 of them speaks they speak for everyone.

When someone says "I'll take 2K8 over Madden any day", don't think it's better to include WHY they feel that way? And perhaps back it up with examples? There's a great thread on here asking "Are challenges broken?" The guys in there are not saying "the challenge system sucks! Fix it!" They are giving actual explanations of what happened to them in their games. That is good information, should a dev decide to check it out.

I listed you in my original post as a member here who always goes out of his way to back up what he's talking about. I just wish every poster did the same.

# 157 NicVirtue @ 11/08/13 06:53 PM

As far as constructive criticism involving comparisons to other games, what else do we have to compare Madden to besides 2K football games? Other than real life football, there is no alternative, which is why we use the other game to point out what it has done better. We all want to stop talking about the "other" game, but until Madden has done everything better than what we had 8 years ago, those comparisons will never go away. I think they should WANT to do better than that 8 year old game instead of turning away criticism concerning it compared to their current product.

# 158 kehlis @ 11/08/13 07:11 PM

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	As far as constructive criticism involving comparisons to other games, what else do we have to compare Madden to besides 2K football games? Other than real life football, there is no alternative, which is why we use the other game to point out what it has done better. We all want to stop talking about the "other" game, but until Madden has done everything better than what we had 8 years ago, those comparisons will never go away. I think they should WANT to do better than that 8 year old game instead of turning away criticism concerning it compared to their current product.

You are correct, constructive criticism is fine and it's welcomed. The problem is what some seem to deem as constructive criticism when it is not.

If you want to compare living sidelines in 2k to madden, fine, but say why they are better, or what was different that makes you say this.

Example: The sidelines back in 2k were still better than Madden today. They interacted in real time, they had live interactions that varied. Madden may have improved, but they just added a few of the same animations for their living sidelines.

That is fine and welcomed.

This, and this is what most people do thinking it's okay, is not:

Bringing up 2k just to say that madden sucks 2k did this better 8 years ago.

That is simply bringing up 2k as a means of bashing madden.

You don't need to bring up 2k to talk about how bad the line interaction in Madden is.

# 159 therealsmallville @ 11/08/13 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NicVirtue


	As far as constructive criticism involving comparisons to other games, what else do we have to compare Madden to besides 2K football games? Other than real life football, there is no alternative, which is why we use the other game to point out what it has done better. We all want to stop talking about the "other" game, but until Madden has done everything better than what we had 8 years ago, those comparisons will never go away. I think they should WANT to do better than that 8 year old game instead of turning away criticism concerning it compared to their current product.

The problem is when people name-drop that "other" game, but don't actually provide examples for it

For example, maybe a developer comes on the boards to talk about quarterback animations. He gets a few replies of "2K animations were SO much better! Madden's are terrible!" Ok, well what exactly does that mean? What is the poster referring to? Does he mean the "wind-up"? Is he talking about how the QB holds the ball? Footwork? What?

Posting visual evidence, or at the very very least typing it, would go SO much farther in dev-to-consumer interactivity, imo. They've already said insults will keep them and their ball at home; so why not do everything we can to keep them here?

Apologies for going off topic. In relationto the video, like I said a while back--the lighting and pocket are enough to get my $10. I think it's a nice base for now, and hopefully they can truly build on it for next year like they claim.

# 160 wordtobigbird @ 11/08/13 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kehlis


	You are correct, constructive criticism is fine and it's welcomed. The problem is what some seem to deem as constructive criticism when it is not. If you want to compare living sidelines in 2k to madden, fine, but say why they are better, or what was different that makes you say this. Example: The sidelines back in 2k were still better than Madden today. They interacted in real time, they had live interactions that varied. Madden may have improved, but they just added a few of the same animations for their living sidelines. That is fine and welcomed. This, and this is what most people do thinking it's okay, is not: Bringing up 2k just to say that madden sucks 2k did this better 8 years ago. That is simply bringing up 2k as a means of bashing madden. You don't need to bring up 2k to talk about how bad the line interaction in Madden is.

Explained perfectly. I wouldn't mind seeing more crack down people who constantly just post the 2nd example just to make things less hostile here for everyone. Also things like "I'm never buying Madden, I give up. This game will always suck.". Post like that make me want to reply "why the hell are you here?!" lol.

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