Madden 25 Next-Gen Living Worlds Trailer

[wordtobigbird]

Quote: Originally Posted by El_Poopador

i agree with this. i would rather they focus on getting the on-field game to look and play naturally, and just have the atmosphere feel organic (sounds, commentary, etc.) than have them worry about the appearance of diversity in the stands. once they have a great game of football then they can worry about things like that.

If this was the case they wouldnt be doing ANYTHING sideline/crowd related because the on the field is a complete mess. If you are going to bring attention to something, do it right. They are bringing attention to the crowds now and theres plenty wrong with them.

If this was the Oline interaction trailer I would't be calling out the crowds in the background.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by wordtobigbird

I am more concerned with that as well. Like I said, the most important thing is the crowds reaction and thats all audio engineering. They spoke about it in that podcast and i look forward to hearing. But this nonchalant attitude about the details in the game is part of the reason the game is the way it is. What I am talking about is realism and immersion. I skip every cutscene I can usually, I'm just impatient. Doesn't mean it isn't important to the game. First you tried to defend not having ANY women models because Lambeu was all men in your section. Then you say who cares about whether they are blonde or brunette? Who mentioned anything about that? No one is getting that nitpicky. This reminds me of the guy that says "I'm looking at the defense when I'm passing, who cares about the throwing animations." But hey, whatever works for you. And if you watch the trailer it clearly says: "40,000 3D character models". Now maybe that means 40,000 3D clones.. IDK. But it sounds a lot like when they say they added hundreds of new catching animations and you only see the same 5-10.

1. Again, I didn't say no women, I said 85% men, which leaves about 3 or 4 women in our section.

2. The blondes vs brunette thing was meant as a joke, but I guess, on a messageboard, it's difficult to tell.

3. The look of the crowd has not been important to me in all the years I've played sports games. That doesn't mean it's not on someone's priority list or radar. Just not on mine.

I skip through cut scene's too or I'd be playing a game close to two hours.

[wordtobigbird]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

1. Again, I didn't say no women, I said 85% men, which leaves about 3 or 4 women in our section. 2. The blondes vs brunette thing was meant as a joke, but I guess, on a messageboard, it's difficult to tell. 3. The look of the crowd has not been important to me in all the years I've played sports games. That doesn't mean it's not on someone's priority list or radar. Just not on mine. I skip through cut scene's too or I'd be playing a game close to two hours.

Madden could at least have 3-4 women scattered around and it would be cool. Seems like they have no female NFL fans.

I know you were joking but the joke but its a sarcastic one based on premise that someone is being overly nitpicky about the crowd.

I agree. The look of the crowd has never been on my "madden wishlist". But this is the living worlds trailer, so I looked at them.

I like to play full 15 minute qtrs so i don't mind the time thing but I just am anxious to get to my next play lol. That and usually it's the same handful of cut scenes. I don't need to see the water boy for the 15th time in a game or that lame "coach is mad at the guy who got the penalty" one.

[SageInfinite]

I only skip through the cutscenes because they're terrible. I love presentation, but I can see why people button through everything on Madden. The effort is minimal. If they don't go real time next year, I'm not even gonna think about opening my wallet.

[Dogslax41]

Quote: Originally Posted by SageInfinite

I only skip through the cutscenes because they're terrible. I love presentation, but I can see why people button through everything on Madden. The effort is minimal. If they don't go real time next year, I'm not even gonna think about opening my wallet.

I can't imagine they won't considering FIFA is doing it this year, but you never know. At the end of the day now that they have basically showed their hand on all their new back of the box features I think I'll end up getting it but only because of the Target buy two get one free deal.

I think they improved just enough to make it in as the sixth game i pick up but only because there are 4 games I really want and 6 for the price of 4 is better than 4 for the price of 3. So I sum it up as they improved enough for me to add them as my free game, but in no way would I spend $60 on it.

All that being said if they have not fixed the repeating draft class issue that broke current gen for me then I am going to go into my back yard pick a nice piece of dog poop, put it in the Madden case and return it to them at my expense.

[therealsmallville]

Quote: Originally Posted by El_Poopador

i think what hes saying is that devs go to forums to see what the most talked about things are that fans want to see fixed. im sure they have a laundry list of things that they know need fixing but i would imagine in a lot of cases they want to see what the most pressing things are. but when all they see in every thread is "i dont like this game i like game x better" then why would they bother? theyre not getting any useful info from that.

Hey, at least somebody gets it. Cheers!

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by therealsmallville

Hey, at least somebody gets it. Cheers!

One thing I will point out, is the Game Changers website. I think that interactive sidelines was the number one thing on there. I think number two was footplanting, so it does seem like the ideas on that website are a high priority for them.

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by SageInfinite

I only skip through the cutscenes because they're terrible. I love presentation, but I can see why people button through everything on Madden. The effort is minimal. If they don't go real time next year, I'm not even gonna think about opening my wallet.

I know right, lol. Again, other games have included real time presentation for awhile now, I believe even Madden 12 had some elements of it, so how they keep falling back on these disjointed cut scenes is beyond me. Not to mention the whole "it's a waste of time, gamers just want to play" excuse is a red herring, proven by how other games implement presentation elements for their respective sports. I don't get why anyone falls in lock step with the nonsense Tiburon spins about why they do x instead of y, when other games clearly prove "y" is better. It's one thing to have presentation play out in real time but another thing entirely to force gamers to watch it.

The notion that just because some gamers don't want to watch real time presentation elements like personnel changes, celebrations, motion shifts, audible/no huddle transitions, refs throwing flags, instant replays, etc, play out, then they shouldn't bother playing out at all, irks me. Just give those gamers the option to either disable real time presentation altogether or the ability to focus their attention/game play view onto something else with a button press, while still allowing those things to play out. However, I believe basic concepts like that get passed over in Madden because of the overriding perspective of "this is just a video game". smh