Fair - to each their own. I felt like I could have noticed it more, but unlike the doubters, I am SURE its in the game. I believe Czar made a comment on Twitter days ago about the feel of sliding being obvious when you go back to CG......
I suppose my point was, - to the doubters of the added features, have faith that they exist and realise that some features just cant be showcased properly in a 1 min compressed vid.....
Well again, footplanting is something that's seen immediately-- it would absolutely wow you if it was fixed, but I don't doubt that it's better and there's been work on it. If NG 2K had current gen foot planting, it'd be even more jarring.
It does seem that your player stays in the same place when doing stationary moves. That wasn't always the case.
Well again, footplanting is something that's seen immediately-- it would absolutely wow you if it was fixed, but I don't doubt that it's better and there's been work on it. If NG 2K had current gen foot planting, it'd be even more jarring.
It does seem that your player stays in the same place when doing stationary moves. That wasn't always the case.
Ok I'll watch it again - I see what you're saying. I suppose I didn't bother looking for it as much as my initial thought was just to wait and feel it for myself.
I guess I am just seeing doubt and slight disappointment all over this thread and I was trying to dissect some of the doubt.
It's the #1 rule of entertainment. SHOW, don't tell.
The same is true in all mediums. Movies, novels, games.
The more you tell, the more bored your audience loses investment. Don't just tell me about your new foot planting. Let us see an example. Could last no more than 15 seconds. One thing I do like about the *ahem* other guys is they aren't afraid to show developmental stuff even if the final product isn't much. They aren't afraid of showing early differences between current and past products.
Live gameplay footage from anybody else playing other than Ronnie2k or LD2k! Get that intern who gets Mike's coffee every morning to play!
Show off the new engine! Show off the footplanting and the new dribbling mechanic! Show off something that was mentioned from the press event! Anything for the OS crowd!
I swear, the parroting that goes on in forums is straight comedy. I just want to make a couple of comments:
1. To the fake "reasonable person with valid criticisms" that whine because people "jump down their throat" when they don't say something positive - the only people getting checked are those that go overboard and say things like it's not worth the upgrade. The others are the Live salemen. Truly reasonable criticisms (see Sundown), no one bats an eye.
2. They demo'ed the difference in foot planting from old gen to next gen at the event, and from all accounts that saw it, there were no complaints. I think some OUTSIDE of VC said "no" sliding. As I've said with even other games; making the claim of *no* foot sliding is idiotic. If it's "noticeably LESS" foot sliding, that's a major upgrade.
3. Gameplay is the same... Well, ****ing DUH!!! IT'S BASKETBALL!!! What do you expect it to look like? Rugby. People expecting a basketball game to not look like basketball are not too bright. Millions of people are pretty happy with that gameplay. So, if you are waiting for them to change it, buy your coffin. But to say they sit on their gameplay is a straight up lie considering all of the changes that go into their gameplay year after year. Most importantly, the gameplay is supposed to change over the year. Not the weeks between OG and NG. Again, more unrealistic expectations piled on these games.
Personally I'm fine with it being mostly the same as the last gen gameplay. The last gen gameplay is pretty darn good in my opinion, and as some have said, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
There will be a bigger difference as the years go on, but for the very first game on a new console, can we really expect the game to be 100% different? They have to have some sort of foundation to go off, and what better foundation to use than the great one they've built over the last several years?
I'd rather them take this time to build their game up right and fix the foundation than listen to what some of these guys are saying. Like I said, expecting them to give you everything and the sink in one year is insanely unrealistic...but if they added what they say they did and it shows, I'll be happy for a year 1 game, which I also expect to be a bit quirky since its the first year... shoot it looks WAY better than it did when switched to 2k6.
I don't know yet, but from those videos, I think the atmosphere could be changed. I hear the same rim sound that was in way back in 2K1 on Dreamcast and most likely the rest of the arena sounds crowd, commentators, etc.. are pretty much the same (I dont know really, just going off of what I've seen so far.)
The rim sounds like a long hollow cylinder with a hollow deep echo on missed jumpers which is not what you hear when watching a game.
2k really needs to go inside of an arena and record a few different crowds man because this static crowd currently there is stale and it just doesn't matchup with the visuals or the gameplay IMO.
Anyway, I hate to keep saying it, but the marketing team really needs to push this game much better because so far the showing has been poor, considering what it is.
Personally I'm fine with it being mostly the same as the last gen gameplay. The last gen gameplay is pretty darn good in my opinion, and as some have said, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
There will be a bigger difference as the years go on, but for the very first game on a new console, can we really expect the game to be 100% different? They have to have some sort of foundation to go off, and what better foundation to use than the great one they've built over the last several years?
Exactly. And this was pretty much the blueprint when they got on the gen 7 consoles. And the progression of the series was just fine.
To chime in a little half of these cats that are complaining all the time never played Magic vs. Bird basketball. We have truly come a long way with video games...
I believe these young cats have no idea what a Atari 2600 feels like in your hands lol...
I had them all I won't tell me age though....lol lol
No, its the final build. Don't deny that. Its ok to be disappointed.
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I'd rather them take this time to build their game up right and fix the foundation than listen to what some of these guys are saying. Like I said, expecting them to give you everything and the sink in one year is insanely unrealistic...but if they added what they say they did and it shows, I'll be happy for a year 1 game, which I also expect to be a bit quirky since its the first year... shoot it looks WAY better than it did when switched to 2k6.
I don't know yet, but from those videos, I think the atmosphere could be changed. I hear the same rim sound that was in way back in 2K1 on Dreamcast and most likely the rest of the arena sounds crowd, commentators, etc.. are pretty much the same (I dont know really, just going off of what I've seen so far.)
The rim sounds like a long hollow cylinder with a hollow deep echo on missed jumpers which is not what you hear when watching a game.
2k really needs to go inside of an arena and record a few different crowds man because this static crowd currently there is stale and it just doesn't matchup with the visuals or the gameplay IMO.
Anyway, I hate to keep saying it, but the marketing team really needs to push this game much better because so far the showing has been poor, considering what it is.
I like the idea of recording real crowds.. like real, dynamic crowds giving you a great, real atmosphere... everything adds to the realism of the game!
It's hard to create game that is true 1:1 duplicate of real life animations and at the same time allow users total control of the player on the court. That's the problem i have w/ NBA2k game since 2K7. If animations and physics slow down the gameplay and make it not responsive to user control 1:1...then that ain't good enough. From what i heard, it's a little more responsive w/ the footplanting but i dont' know.
I swear, the parroting that goes on in forums is straight comedy. I just want to make a couple of comments:
1. To the fake "reasonable person with valid criticisms" that whine because people "jump down their throat" when they don't say something positive - the only people getting checked are those that go overboard and say things like it's not worth the upgrade. The others are the Live salemen. Truly reasonable criticisms (see Sundown), no one bats an eye.
2. They demo'ed the difference in foot planting from old gen to next gen at the event, and from all accounts that saw it, there were no complaints. I think some OUTSIDE of VC said "no" sliding. As I've said with even other games; making the claim of *no* foot sliding is idiotic. If it's "noticeably LESS" foot sliding, that's a major upgrade.
3. Gameplay is the same... Well, ****ing DUH!!! IT'S BASKETBALL!!! What do you expect it to look like? Rugby. People expecting a basketball game to not look like basketball are not too bright. Millions of people are pretty happy with that gameplay. So, if you are waiting for them to change it, buy your coffin. But to say they sit on their gameplay is a straight up lie considering all of the changes that go into their gameplay year after year. Most importantly, the gameplay is supposed to change over the year. Not the weeks between OG and NG. Again, more unrealistic expectations piled on these games.
Calm down and watch your language please, you should get a warning for it
To those saying gameplay looks the same... when you watch real basketball games throughout the NBA season the "game play" looks the same... you know why? Because its basketball.... you cant think the game of basketball is supposed to change... lebron plays like lebron, kobe plays like kobe and the different teams play as theyre supposed to play and the ball goes through the hoop... do you expect basketball to change into soccer where we kick the ball into the net? Maybe that'll change the gameplay for you... SMH
To those saying gameplay looks the same... when you watch real basketball games throughout the NBA season the "game play" looks the same... you know why? Because its basketball.... you cant think the game of basketball is supposed to change... lebron plays like lebron, kobe plays like kobe and the different teams play as theyre supposed to play and the ball goes through the hoop... do you expect basketball to change into soccer where we kick the ball into the net? Maybe that'll change the gameplay for you... SMH
Do you know what we mean by "looks the same?" It means the same as CG. I don't understand what you're trying to say.
Nice vid. Looks great. I was going to say the game play looks the same but that appears to get you roasted. I'll be happy if the gameplay is pretty similar as along as the sliding is significantly improved.
LOL at the other thread about chris smoove, that guy was so butthurt. If people complain about ANYTHING in the game, there's always someone automatically coming to 2k's defense saying "IT'S A MISTAKE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT REALLY HAPPENS!!!" You people aren't 2k reps so stop acting like someone made fun of your mother when they criticize something about the game. And don't say "It's only with stupid criticisms", no, Smoove had legitimate criticism about the pick and rolls and you decide to blindly defend it. Besides he even said he had to see more gameplay to come to a decision so how about you people calm your jets and accept the fact that a game is a game and games will have mistakes that dont need you to constantly come to their defense as to how it's actually an intentional mistake.