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How NBA Live Could Dethrone NBA 2K

11:24 AM - October 9, 2013 by RaychelSnr

The gaming landscape has changed greatly in the four years since NBA Live and NBA 2K last faced off in competition.

NBA Live went on vacation; NBA 2K grew into a juggernaut.

If EA Sports tries to recapture the basketball gaming market out of the gate, it will be like Jose Calderon trying to guard Kobe. To return to relevance, the Live team needs to rebuild brick by brick.

By focusing on delighting one segment of the community at a time, they can win over different groups of gamers and convert them into loyal customers. To optimize this process, EA can focus on gamers who feel that 2K falls short of satisfying their main desires.

Thankfully, EA picked the perfect way to start.

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# 1 outkaz79 @ 10/09/13 11:38 AM

NBA Live = Catfish

# 2 bigeastbumrush @ 10/09/13 11:54 AM

Y'all gonna ride this dribbling thing til the wheels fall off, huh?

# 3 Jay Jay @ 10/09/13 11:56 AM

If 2k haven't done much to there gameplay I can easily see this happening.

# 4 Gosens6 @ 10/09/13 11:59 AM

I think EA even knows it's a long uphill climb for them. As iv'e said before, I think 2K is just too far ahead, and now that next gen will be out in a month, I believe they'll cement their lead even further this year.

The only way I can see Live catching up is if they shock the world, and next year release the greatest basketball game of all time, and 2K falters next year, instead of improving on Next Gen, and I don't see that happening. One of the guys on the Live team even said it would take them about 2 years just to get where they want to be. Hell, in two years, 2K will have already won this gen of consoles if Live doesn't STEP IT UP.

I want this team to succeed, but I have no faith that they can do so.

# 5 Behindshadows @ 10/09/13 12:04 PM

Silence could never Dethrone anything!!! And mentioning a technology vs. showing a technology won't help that.

I agree it would be very refreshing to have a different visual style and a different style of gameplay, but dethroning is pushing it. They've been out of the loop too long.

And yeah you right, the gaming industry is different in 4 years. Fans and gamers are more crucial to point out flaws and things like that. Fanboys are at a all time high.

And true sim people are at an all time low, but even the casuals want realism...and we haven't seen that yet in this camp...even the most awkward animation will get dissected.

# 6 Gosens6 @ 10/09/13 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Behindshadows


	Silence could never Dethrone anything!!! And mentioning a technology vs. showing a technology won't help that. I agree it would be very refreshing to have a different visual style and a different style of gameplay, but dethroning is pushing it. They've been out of the loop too long. And yeah you right, the gaming industry is different in 4 years. Fans and gamers are more crucial to point out flaws and things like that. Fanboys are at a all time high. And true sim people are at an all time low, *but even the casuals want realism...and we haven't seen that yet in this came...even the most awkward animation will get dissected.*

IDK man, that "gameplay" trailer they released a while back had a TON of flaws, including some clipping, and that same ugly layup animation from NBA Live 09, and some guys in here were praising it like it was the greatest thing ever. Someone went as far as saying it looked better than 2Ks next gen footage.

Live fans are going to buy this game, love it, and praise it like it's the greatest game ever. Instead of buying it, playing it and actually pointing out the flaws so EA can actually improve on it. It just doesn't happen that way anymore, not with this game.

# 7 bumpyface @ 10/09/13 12:12 PM

I admire your dedication, but it's now October 9th and EA has yet to show any real gameplay. My faith that after all those years of laying dormant, EA would rise like a 40 year old virgin in nude bar have withered away. I'm just going to have to put the time and effort into learning how to play 2k.

# 8 Bblade @ 10/09/13 12:12 PM

How is this even a topic of discussion when live hasnt even put out 10 seconds of any gameplay vids yet!!!

# 9 juicey79 @ 10/09/13 12:27 PM

NBA Live can start by keeping its promises of showing gameplay on the dates they scheduled. I'm sure by this point the game is 90% done since we are just over a month from launch. 2K is in the drivers seat and there latest CG effort is the most balanced gameplay I've experienced. So going into NG, I believe it's going to be hard for Live to take throne back from live. I hope it comes close, i wouldn't mind playing both.

# 10 Jet Sufferer @ 10/09/13 12:39 PM

Can I see AT LEAST 5-10 minutes of 5 on 5 gameplay first?? Until we get the game in our hands I think this article is a teensy, weensy, bit premature.

Can Jet Sufferer overtake Tiger Woods as the Number 1 Golfer in the world?

Well Jet is Club Champion at a large public 36 hole facility with a lot of good players and did win the county Amateur Championship.

Now you see at least I've shown you something tangible, SOMETHING!

Alas, I'm almost 50 and me trying to compete with PGA pros is a pipe dream.

I would say EA and I have about the same odds of being the King.

# 11 NoTiCe_O @ 10/09/13 12:43 PM

If 2k14 is just the same game ported over (again) with better graphics and more animations it will still be plagued by the same foundational issues that people complain about every year, except there will be more ways to cover them up (more animations, and better branching). Who knows, they might even hit the limit wall again.

NBA Live 14 on the other hand has technology in place that can evolve over time, eventually bouncetek next year will be better than bouncetek this year. Footplanting, momentum, and physics will be better next year than they were this year. It's not just about adding more animations but actually adding real life factors into the game to make it more life like.

I'm under the impression that they are hard at work right now, and could care less about putting out a flashy video because if the gameplay is solid it won't really matter. I mean after the game is out how many of us actually go back and watch the trailers and say "yup, this game plays just like the trailer". No, we play the real game and want nothing to do with videos anymore.

I mean when GTA was building hype everybody was gawking over the trailers, but now the game is out and the gameplay is great no one cares about those trailers anymore, maybe EA is taking a hit on the marketing to make sure they deliver a solid game.

NBA Live could dethrone 2k by creating a game that plays and acts more like real life rather than just looks and animates like real life. EA has the technology to make this game great by adding some realistic factors.

- Seeing players get fatigued and tired after playing for a while. Lumbering and slow, breathing heavy, just not up to par
- Footplanting and momentum that can be used against a defensive player in order to cross him over.
- Post game that actually takes into account the weight, strength and agility of the players (Physics)
- A.I that fashions itself after the real life players, and see players acting like they do in real life, down to the hand they finish with and direction they drive most often.
- Realistic ball handling and signature/distinctive dribbling moves based on player
- Real ball physics

I could go on, but based on what EA is doing in their other titles the potential for this game to be lifelike is there.

# 12 Guapo516 @ 10/09/13 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by juicey79


	NBA Live can start by keeping its promises of showing gameplay on the dates they scheduled. I'm sure by this point the game is 90% done since we are just over a month from launch. 2K is in the drivers seat and there latest CG effort is the most balanced gameplay I've experienced. So going into NG, I believe it's going to be hard for Live to take throne back from live. I hope it comes close, i wouldn't mind playing both.

I came into this article to say the same exact thing! Not living up to the simplest of promises is mind boggling to me. And wats worse is we been here done this with them. It's literally the same script from live. Focused on dribbling , we haven't forgot about the other aspects of basketball tho, true physics in some form, no canned animations, we're gonna be open and honest with the fans through out the process, then broken promises left and right. I just don't understand how they follow this script no matter who is in charge. This is the only thing holding me back from believing live can be something special. And I do think 2k left the door open a for live just a little bit. But the live team has to honor they word.

# 13 TheLetterZ @ 10/09/13 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Husband73


	Keep dreaming it's not gonna happen. Nba2k14 plays the closest to Nba, plus with With next gen graphics.. C'MON SON!!

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Originally Posted by Jet Sufferer


	Can I see AT LEAST 5-10 minutes of 5 on 5 gameplay first?? Until we get the game in our hands I think this article is a teensy, weensy, bit premature. Can Jet Sufferer overtake Tiger Woods as the Number 1 Golfer in the world? Well Jet is Club Champion at a large public 36 hole facility with a lot of good players and did win the county Amateur Championship. Now you see at least I've shown you something tangible, SOMETHING! Alas, I'm almost 50 and me trying to compete with PGA pros is a pipe dream. I would say EA and I have about the same odds of being the King.

The article makes it very clear this strategy is long-term.

# 14 Cardot @ 10/09/13 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NoTiCe_O


	I could go on, but based on what EA is doing in their other titles the potential for this game to be lifelike is there.

Wait..um...what?

# 15 scottyp180 @ 10/09/13 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bumpyface


	I admire your dedication, but it's now October 9th and EA has yet to show any real gameplay. My faith that after all those years of laying dormant, EA would rise like a 40 year old virgin in nude bar have withered away. I'm just going to have to put the time and effort into learning how to play 2k.

This. As the days pass ea and live are falling behind. Imo ea has already missed their chance to show off live and steal 2ks thunder, unless they truely have something special that will wow us. I believe its been 2 weeks since ea said they will release videos for live and all we have is a short 30 second clip which I believe was less impressive than 2ks even shorter next gen clip. Live should have been marketing the crap out of this game before 2ks current gen release in order to build its own hype and sway people into waiting for next gen. The silence is becoming desfening and it seems like deja vu yet again for live. I plan on giving this game a shot to see if it will be surprisingly good but I don't know how anyone could be optimistic or even hopeful at this point.

# 16 Saviour @ 10/09/13 01:32 PM

If EA can't show a video of actual game play then why would anyone think this franchise can be resurrected. The only gameplay trailer that has been released to this point was clearly edited to hide flaws. (Or highlight strong points depending on who you are talking too) But a gameplay trailer for a basketball game that doesn't show 5 on 5 action is clearly not to be taken seriously. Kyrie starts a crossover in front of Felton then the vid cuts away to Kyrie dribbling by himself to show his handle.

EA's basketball team needs to learn that this is not And 1 basketball and sim heads want realism not fluff. How does any of his dribbling create space to get an open shot? DId Felton react to any of Kyrie showtime dribble moves? Dribbling in place does not make a defender move on any level of organized basketball because you are taught to react to body movement. You have to earn you buckets in 2k14 by creating space and EA needs to show 5 vs 5 gameplay for me to believe they can replicate realism. A fluff trailer without a full gameplay follow up is what happened a few years ago before Live was canned. A dethrone article should not exist for another 5 years of successful basketball sims from EA. No reason for it right now.

# 17 NoTiCe_O @ 10/09/13 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Skopin


	Yea, about that...

I was on youtube looking for a Kyrie Irving video to prove the same point, good post Skopin

# 18 stillfeelme @ 10/09/13 02:00 PM

Long term anything is possible if the "suits" are willing to have low sales expectations to drive all decisions for this franchise long term. These games cost money to make but I expect Live sales to be low unless it is bundled with a system. Personally I don't see 2K getting dethroned by what EA has shown in their past.

# 19 jmaj315 @ 10/09/13 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Skopin


	Yea, about that...

i wouldn't go as far as saying that he broke his ankles. But he definitely did cross him up something nasty.

# 20 Mr_Riddick @ 10/09/13 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MMChrisS


	The gaming landscape has changed greatly in the four years since NBA Live and NBA 2K last faced off in competition. NBA Live went on vacation; NBA 2K grew into a juggernaut. If EA Sports tries to recapture the basketball gaming market out of the gate, it will be like Jose Calderon trying to guard Kobe. To return to relevance, the Live team needs to rebuild brick by brick. By focusing on delighting one segment of the community at a time, they can win over different groups of gamers and convert them into loyal customers. To optimize this process, EA can focus on gamers who feel that 2K falls short of satisfying their main desires. Thankfully, EA picked the perfect way to start. Read More - How NBA Live Could Dethrone NBA 2K

Honestly Chris, this has been thier formula since day one IMO. EXECUTION has been the problem for them. Not bashing this game in any way mind u. I just think in terms of developing they should seriously consider bringing on a new team from top to bottom.... ijs

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