NBA Live 13 News Post

NBA Live 13 Has Been Canned

05:02 PM - September 27, 2012 by Steve_OS

NBA Live 13 has been canned, kicked to the curb, canceled, put out to pasture. However you want to put it, NBA Live 13 is no more.

Below is a statement from EA Sports Executive Vice President, Andrew Wilson.

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	After a lot of consideration, we have made the decision to not launch NBA LIVE 13. I'd like to give you a bit of perspective. When we started the process of bringing back NBA LIVE, we knew it was going to be a long journey. We started by moving the game to a new studio. We brought in some of the best new technology that has helped fuel innovation in our other games. We launched an even deeper level of engagement with our community to gather more feedback directly from fans. And we built a whole new development team to bring it all to life. We felt like we were on the right path. We also made a commitment to deliver a high quality experience � this is what our fans expect and what we demand of ourselves at EA SPORTS. But making great games is not easy, and we're just not there yet on NBA LIVE 13. Having continued to look at the game over the past few days, it's clear that we won't be ready in October. And rather than launch midway through the season, we're going to sit out the full year and stay focused on making next year�s game great. This decision puts us on the right track for success well into the future in a rapidly changing industry. I'm disappointed that we have not yet met our high expectations with NBA LIVE, but I remain motivated about where we're going. We're committed to delivering new innovation in online, and our progress in the visual presentation of the game continues to take big strides. We also know that a great game starts with great gameplay, and this remains a huge priority for us. This wasn't an easy decision, but it's the right one for our fans. I hope you'll agree when you're able to play the game next year. Andrew Wilson Executive Vice President, EA SPORTS

Source - EA Sports Cancels NBA Live 13 (Kotaku)

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# 421 LionsFanNJ @ 10/01/12 06:51 PM

So they claim. Guys here have gone to community days in the past, in a capacity similar to Madden/NCAA Gamechanger program when it was at EA canada, and they weren't listened to.

So this just shows me they want as little criticism coming their way as possible. I bet all critical posts will be deleted. Its the EA forum way. What good will come of it when for one they should KNOW what's wrong and why both elite 11 and Live 13 got **** responses. Its either arrogance, blindness or naivete, possibly a combination of the three.

Besides that little "negativity" line smells as a jab at OS. It also smells of damage control as well but whatever.

# 422 mvb34 @ 10/01/12 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pared


	Oh give me a freaking break. There are plenty of respectful, knowledgeable posters here and I've met them in person. Guys that like to pop off on the forums don't act the same in real life. You remember DC? Annoying as heck and spoke his mind in the forum? Guess what - I was shocked at how humble and respectful he was in person. Stop making excuses. There's a laundry list of guys here who can help out. If anything that list was cut short by their feedback being ignored. And now this approach is going to set EVERYONE back. You want to improve the game? Try facing a harsh critic for once. We didn't even ask for that here but let's be real.

You darn well it be over the top!!! Just go thru madden and NCAA forms!! The few would get drain out by all the crap!!

# 423 23 @ 10/01/12 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mvb34


	You darn well it be over the top!!! Just go thru madden and NCAA forms!! The few would get drain out by all the crap!!

Still neither of those games were canceled like live TWICE

This guy bashes the best game they had but shows us what?

People asked to expand on live 10 not rehash it

Lol man this is a joke

I think that game is too old, now but still what we saw didn't look, better...they're still, tail ducking and looking for butt kissers

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# 424 ProfessaPackMan @ 10/01/12 07:02 PM

People(and Companies for that matter)are too freaking sensative.

"Hey you guys, you can tell us what you like but just don't tell us what you don't like and if you don't like it, please don't be mean to us."

The truth is the truth, no matter how nicely or how angrily you say it and from reading his posts over there, he doesn't seem to understand that.

# 425 Boilerbuzz @ 10/01/12 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xREDHEATx


	Lol good for them not coming here. The amount of bashing that's allowed here is ridiculous. Just look at the title of this thread "canned". Why not cancelled? This stems from the top and is allowed to fester here by the mods. If you have good input sign up at the forum and give it. They asked for the good and bad and are willing to listen.

Bashing. Yeah, there is some bashing. And it PALES in comparison to other forums. But, here's where you fail:

1. You and others like you are the first ones to call something "negative" short of getting on your knees and opening your mouth. Seriously. If something looks like crap, why IS is so wrong to say "it looks like crap". You HAVE to be expressive enough so that people get a sense of how bad an issue is. For you to cry about the use of the word "canned" is childish. It really is.

2. Ever go to the 2K forum? The WORST forums on any sport video game board. A bunch of monkeys throwing **** everywhere. And guess what - 2K is OK with that because they get unfiltered feedback. Now, some of it is just hating just to hate or draw attention. But if something is broken, 2K knows how bad. OS is the standard, but don't think for a second that some of the 2K forum trolls don't help the game.

3. You are STILL ignoring the fact that many people here have ALREADY given their feedback in the past and were promptly, in their eyes, IGNORED! So you can excuse them for a) being a little bitter that this is basked as for again. b) being apprehensive in trusting that their feedback would be listened to now and/or c) being insulted that now they are considered "too negative".

Feedback is feedback. Whether you like how it is delivered DOES NOT MATTER! Be a man! Grow up! Listen to the message and do your friggin' job! Consider the fact that even if you have a handful of posters step out of line, they do NOT represent all of OS! But if they continue down this route their on, the game will not get better as fast as it needs to. It's that simple.

# 426 Boilerbuzz @ 10/01/12 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfessaPackMan


	People(and Companies for that matter)are too freaking sensative. "Hey you guys, you can tell us what you like but just don't tell us what you don't like and if you don't like it, please don't be mean to us." The truth is the truth, no matter how nicely or how angrily you say it and from reading his posts over there, he doesn't seem to understand that.

Exactly! The ONLY time I feel it goes to far is when you start:

1. Calling for folks to be fired.
2. Insulting the intelligence and motivation of the dev teams. They are there for a reason! If the crap was easy, why haven't YOU done it already.
3. Just straight lying about issues that don't exist. (This is VERY rare, but it does happen and it's just wrong.)

You can say something is dog****. But calling the dev team a bunch of idiots is FAR across the line.

# 427 kingdevin @ 10/01/12 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Behindshadows


	Guys we continue to argue over petty stuff and it doesn't change anything! People posting links to EA being worst company ever, blah blah!!! Who cares! Still talking about the NFL License and Karma....GTFO!!! Nothing to do with Karma, it's just bad progression and business decisions with the suits! (Remember when MW said he wanted to do things, and so did his team, but the suits said no about a lot of their ideas. EA's corporate suits are what ruins this game) I won't hold all the developers unaccountable either, they knew a game was bad and was about to release that crap anyways. Just like the Elite 11 team saying,"the game was fine as far as they saw it." The developer who said must of had cataract or glaucoma...because that game looked like poo! But to keep bringing this license crap into the conversation, continues to show stupidity and childishness! The NFL brought that license junk about, as they have with other divisions of the NFL. EA just coughed up the money. Same with the NCAA License, people got mad at them for the College Hoops cancellation and EA still releasing a game, that license wasn't even exclusive, they just paid the tab and 2k decided not to because the CH series wasn't profitable enough to them. NBA made it very clear they will not be doing exclusive deals, so get that thought out of your minds. Let's keep topics on the direction of this series, and how it went completely downhill, when they decide to keep working on areas of the game that aren't broken. (Controls) Me, Sageinfinite, Tocory and a few others did a blog about this and I will post it in my Arena on Wednesday. Let's you listen to unbiased and open minded gamers speak the truth about this series. Some of you guys are so fanbased biased, that your hatred won't even let you see the areas they got right. The company has made a hell of a lot of mistakes over the past 3 years, but don't act like they haven't did anything right! We all lose when it comes to the lack of competition and change, I give them credit for making each title feel different each year, but I blast them for changing areas that weren't broken too. Let's hope a 3 year hiatus will open their eyes! I won't be looking forward to a 14 until it has mass marketing and goes gold on the market.

I don't think there is anything wrong with bringing up the nfl license and making a connection to what is happening here. I referenced karma because EA's money could not save them from getting ko'd in basketball

YOU mentioned that we all lose based on lack of competition and change. EA's acquisition of the NFL license changed the game eliminating nfl game competition. It's true that the nfl was a part of this too but I've always questioned the timing of that move when 2k was set to do serious damage to EA's profits in nfl gaming. The suits ea and nfl made that decision and many here including myself felt it was a save your *** move by EA because of nfl 2k5. This is why 2k countered with cutting ea off in the MLB department. I believe both ea and 2k initiated the talks with their respective counterparts which eventually led to where we are now. In contrast, Here it was HEALTHY COMPETITION resulting in the demise of nba live or elite. EA could not keep up with 2k. This is also based on decisions by the suits and this is sometimes how healthy competition works. 2k played fair and square while ea dropped the ball -- blame it on the suits/ developers whoever. Either way 2k 's nba is high level and but for us being spoiled every year with a new game, 2k11 could still hold water today if it needed to.

Lastly the title of this thread is general-- live is being canned. Opinions regarding this matter are within the context of the thread even if u don't like or agree with the subject matter.

# 428 yungflo @ 10/01/12 07:29 PM

Someone should be fired, but not the devs. The guy who is playing politlician with the franchise. Probably a suit. The devs have a vision, probably. Wang did. They didn't agree with it. Whoever is the person or persons who didn't agree with it and playing politician, THAT guy should be fired. Don't worry about him/them. They most likely will find another job asap or sit on the million they have already and call it a day.

# 429 xREDHEATx @ 10/01/12 07:36 PM

Ido feel sorry for the guys that have given insight or constructive criticism but you can't blame EA for not posting here anymore. That falls on the mods and owner for allowing the rampant bashing. I still feel the word canned is derogatory and a take that rather than informative. Find me another major gaming forum/website that allows articles to be posted like that or millisecond clips of pierces face in a bad animation to represent the failures of the entire game and justification for the hate.

Like I said if you do care go post and speak your mind.

# 430 yungflo @ 10/01/12 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xREDHEATx


	Ido feel sorry for the guys that have given insight or constructive criticism but you can't blame EA for not posting here anymore. That falls on the mods and owner for allowing the rampant bashing. I still feel the word canned is derogatory and a take that rather than informative. Find me another major gaming forum/website that allows articles to be posted like that or millisecond clips of pierces face in a bad animation to represent the failures of the entire game and justification for the hate. Like I said if you do care go post and speak your mind.

they'll be back.

# 431 23 @ 10/01/12 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by xREDHEATx


	Ido feel sorry for the guys that have given insight or constructive criticism but you can't blame EA for not posting here anymore. That falls on the mods and owner for allowing the rampant bashing. I still feel the word canned is derogatory and a take that rather than informative. Find me another major gaming forum/website that allows articles to be posted like that or millisecond clips of pierces face in a bad animation to represent the failures of the entire game and justification for the hate. Like I said if you do care go post and speak your mind.

Man you're so freaking off you don't know what you're talking about

Apparently you haven't been here long enough to comment about the site or the people here or their interactions with ea in the past

oh and that pp pic, came from, the nba live series center site:thumbup:

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# 432 mrprice33 @ 10/01/12 09:08 PM

OS can be either anti-EA or EA shills depending on the agenda of the poster apparently lol

# 433 Pared @ 10/01/12 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mrprice33


	OS can be either anti-EA or EA shills depending on the agenda of the poster apparently lol

Glad people who have been here long enough realize this.

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Originally Posted by xREDHEATx


	Ido feel sorry for the guys that have given insight or constructive criticism but you can't blame EA for not posting here anymore. That falls on the mods and owner for allowing the rampant bashing. I still feel the word canned is derogatory and a take that rather than informative. Find me another major gaming forum/website that allows articles to be posted like that or millisecond clips of pierces face in a bad animation to represent the failures of the entire game and justification for the hate. Like I said if you do care go post and speak your mind.

Get outta here - We've offered feedback here for years. I am NOT signing up to have them ignore me again.

Some other guys can do that - I'll spend my money on games that DO listen to what we have to say, not pretend to.

# 434 23 @ 10/01/12 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mrprice33


	OS can be either anti-EA or EA shills depending on the agenda of the poster apparently lol

Yep and how silly to think os needs nba live to get readers lol

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# 435 King_B_Mack @ 10/01/12 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 23


	Yep and how silly to think os needs nba live to get readers lol Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2

Yep, just looking at the numbers online as I type, 4,587 users. You guys must be sitting around in the staff areas of the site going nuts trying to figure out a way to get bodies through the door here.

# 436 AC @ 10/01/12 11:29 PM

Funny that this would come up- I've been noticing a lot more users on the site, lately. Normally, the "Online Now" would be around 2500 or so, but it's been over 4000 multiple times now... This site doesn't need help from EA, haha.

# 437 blackceasar @ 10/01/12 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pared


	Glad people who have been here long enough realize this. Get outta here - We've offered feedback here for years. I am NOT signing up to have them ignore me again. Some other guys can do that - I'll spend my money on games that DO listen to what we have to say, not pretend to.

Exactly. At the end of the day some people at EA treat thier interactions with the gaming community just like some politicians do with the general public. They make themselves available because they feel its a good PR thing, then when the press asks the tough questions the fold and run or sidestep the hard questions or give some canned safe response that the lawyers at EA has prepared for them. The free fall into the abyss (even if its temorary) of NBA live isnt as much Karma as it is EA's arrogance at times biting them in the rear.

But do you know what's so amazing about all of this? And yes it DOES give ammo to comments about Madden (as a franchise, not this year, its actually decent this year)... it's this - EA had to actually go out and flex their checkbook to be the best NFL game in town because they are the ONLY one. 2k Sports didnt have to raise once cent or write one single check to put the NBA Live franchise in the can. All they did was.... wait for it.... "gasp" actually made a great basketball game. When I say this, I mean great because FANS say it's great. The people who actually understand all the nuances of the NBA game, and all the little things that go along with it. These people who buy basketball games said it was great. It wasnt the actualy game company boasting about it. That's like a fat chick calling herself "thick and sexy".

I also feel that there is probably a totally different culture and vibe over at 2k vs the Live team at EA. I picture the dudes working on NBA 2k actually having fun at their job, putting their heart and soul into that game. I can picture their bosses telling them to take the night off because 2k bought them really good seats and VIP passes at a pro game to take a break but still absorb everything that is NBA basketball. I see devs and art directors there probably knowing each other's wives and kids on a first name basis. I just see in my head even with the long hours a bond between the people working on the NBA2k franchise.

In the EA building I see people that look like robots. I see bottle after bottle of 5 hour Energy and Redbull scattered across the floors of that studio. I see people working and then checking online for other jobs. Not because they want to quit (maybe they do), but moreso out of fear of getting canned for not cranking out X amount of work by then end of the day. I see people not with a name but rather employee numbers on their shirt. I see art directors and devs who sit together and dont know anything about the other person other than they are working on X peice of code or X animation. I see maybe 1 in 5 people working on the title that are actually fans of basketball or have ever been to a pro game. I see a room full of shirts and ties that know nothing about the devs or art directors or basketball arguing on what gimmick will serve up the best advertising campaign and that will be the one they force the devs to cram into the game. I see people high up the food chain who think they can solve this problem with a pen and a checkbook.

No I have not been in either studio, but I've worked in a similar environment in a little different of an industry and I have learned that you need great people AND a great culture and great LEADERS to produce a GREAT PRODUCT.

2k. Hats off to you. You knocked Goliath down by caring enough to know how to use your sling and rock rather than just buy a really expensive bazooka to get the job done.

EA, You have got Madden back on track but you need to realize that all the money you have in the world isn't going to stop you from making a crappy game.

# 438 Crimsontide27 @ 10/01/12 11:46 PM

Several things of note here.

EA does post on this forums still, just because their name isnt colored doesnt mean they dont post. In fact, there are several EA employees that have posted here in this very thread already.

NBA Live was cancelled quite some time ago, not recently. Anyone listen to the earnings call on July 31st? Did you hear any mention of NBA Live with all the other titles mentioned?

Anyone attend the stockholders meeting on July 26th? Any mention of NBA Live there either?

You think this Advisory Council is anything more than a glorified field trip?

Any idea of how exciting it is working on a title that you know before hand will not ship?

Any idea of how exciting it is coming to pretty much anywhere on the internet getting shredded for a title that you had no input on, and just did what you were told?

Any idea how easy it was to pull a group of over 60+ together, many that never worked on a basketball title before and have no interest in basketball either, together to form a cohesive unit where everyone has different ideas and how to implement them?

Any idea how cool it is to work nonstop for weeks on a feature that you know will get yanked at a moments notice?

Any idea how fun it is to work with 4 different bosses wanting to go 4 seperate directions on content / features ?

Any idea how fun it is not knowing if when you go to work the next day that you no longer have a job after relocating to the area, only to get pulled to work on a project that wont see the light of day, and knowing that it will forever be etched on your resume.

Thank you all and have a wonderful evening.

# 439 nova91 @ 10/01/12 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 23


	Yep and how silly to think os needs nba live to get readers lol Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2

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Originally Posted by King_B_Mack


	Yep, just looking at the numbers online as I type, 4,587 users. You guys must be sitting around in the staff areas of the site going nuts trying to figure out a way to get bodies through the door here.

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Originally Posted by ACMilan99


	Funny that this would come up- I've been noticing a lot more users on the site, lately. Normally, the "Online Now" would be around 2500 or so, but it's been over 4000 multiple times now... This site doesn't need help from EA, haha.

The most users I've seen at once on the Live section of OS in a while was about 150 when the first Live 13 footage dropped. After the hype and anticipation subsided and the number of users dropped back to about 15-30.

When the 2k footage dropped I was seeing 1000 to 1500 users at a time on the 2k side, even now the user count is around 800 and will only be higher in the coming days and weeks.

The 4000+ users definitely aren't coming here because the any of the negative things people may have to say about Live, if that was the case with all the negative things you can take from Live over the last 4 years the user count would be 10000+ 'round the clock.

# 440 blackceasar @ 10/02/12 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Crimsontide27


	Several things of note here. EA does post on this forums still, just because their name isnt colored doesnt mean they dont post. In fact, there are several EA employees that have posted here in this very thread already. NBA Live was cancelled quite some time ago, not recently. Anyone listen to the earnings call on July 31st? Did you hear any mention of NBA Live with all the other titles mentioned? Anyone attend the stockholders meeting on July 26th? Any mention of NBA Live there either? You think this Advisory Council is anything more than a glorified field trip? Any idea of how exciting it is working on a title that you know before hand will not ship? Any idea of how exciting it is coming to pretty much anywhere on the internet getting shredded for a title that you had no input on, and just did what you were told? Any idea how easy it was to pull a group of over 60+ together, many that never worked on a basketball title before and have no interest in basketball either, together to form a cohesive unit where everyone has different ideas and how to implement them? Any idea how cool it is to work nonstop for weeks on a feature that you know will get yanked at a moments notice? Any idea how fun it is to work with 4 different bosses wanting to go 4 seperate directions on content / features ? Any idea how fun it is not knowing if when you go to work the next day that you no longer have a job after relocating to the area, only to get pulled to work on a project that wont see the light of day, and knowing that it will forever be etched on your resume. Thank you all and have a wonderful evening.

I dont think anyone here really bashes the individuals who are the worker bee's at EA. EA's problem is the folks at the top of the food chain are business people. They run a business and that business happens to be making video games. These people could stop doing what they do and go open up a company that mass produces condoms and it would be all the same to alot of them. What I'm getting at is, to them its ALL just a business, and nothing more. But you did point out something... you said "many that have no interest in basketball whatsoever". That right there is a huge glaring problem in itself. When video games are made that do not have a real life counterpart to mirror or contrast it to, you can almost get any talented Harry, Joe, and Bob to work on the title and if the leadership is good, the game usually turns out pretty good. But when you do sports titles, there IS a real life counterpart that it will be compared to. So the big wigs at EA who failed to understand OR get talent to work on a basketball title that actaully knew, understood and had some sort of interest in basketball speaks volumes. It makes me wonder if a huge part of Madden's turn around came from them cleaning house and actually being able to get talent in that actually knew, understood and loved football.

I feel bad for the worker bees at EA, especially on the Live franchise. They are nothing more cogs in the wheel being turned by dudes that look like just about anyone youd run into on Wall Street.

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