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What Madden NFL 13 Connected Careers Gives, Takes Away and Might Have (Kotaku)

08:37 PM - June 13, 2012 by jpdavis82

Kotaku's Owen Good has posted what Madden NFL 13 Connected Careers gives and takes away. He also spoke with Josh Looman on something they might add to the game.

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	Looman, when I revisited this subject with him in L.A., told me that the development team was still on the fence about one meta-game feature in Connected Careers, which I pleaded with him to keep. In an early build, he told me that creative director Mike Young created himself as a 37-year-old journeyman quarterback, rated in the high-70s but with declining attributes. At that age, the XP spend to improve or maintain skills is also more expensive, creating a considerable challenge even at Pro difficulty. But Young gutted it out and was named Super Bowl MVP, in a great story of a veteran plucked from the scrap pile to win it all.

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# 61 Jukeman @ 06/14/12 02:16 PM

I'm sure customization is a core feature for Forza

And progression/regression is still fairly new to sports games and in most games it rarely works right YET the franchise mode still works!

Just check out these very Madden forums a look at all the people who complain about progression but STILL have people enjoying franchise mode.

So please, cut it out with the "this is more important than that"

# 62 DNMHIII @ 06/14/12 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by moneal2001


	@DNMHIII i agrees that it is supremely important to allow as much user control as possible. but they have to get the functionality stuff in before adding all the user control stuff

Roger that.....I think bucky60 and I are trying to point out that the proper design would be to build around features instead of disregarding them only to create more work for yourself later and at the same time create customer dissatisfaction. I'm suggesting that the planning and implementation of how CCM was handled is done very poorly thats all.

# 63 moneal2001 @ 06/14/12 02:19 PM

completely agree with that DNMHIII

# 64 mestevo @ 06/14/12 02:26 PM

I agree with that as well, disagreements just generally come across so short and terse on forums... and I just disagree with some of the characterizations/interpretations of the problem. They ran out of time, or things weren't designed well... like most things the truth is probably somewhere in the middle and compromises had to be made.

It is what it is, the missing elements affect me very little if at all, but I sympathize.

# 65 DNMHIII @ 06/14/12 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CRMosier_LM


	That's onions on a cheeseburger... To me you can still gave a cheeseburger without them (although I love onions on my cheeseburger) Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2

Ok...well I prefer my girlfriend to have hair and teeth even though you can have one without them.....lol

Seriously though, you're telling me that editing isn't considered a core feature?

# 66 Yeats @ 06/14/12 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DNMHIII


	Seriously though, you're telling me that editing isn't considered a core feature?

Given almost everyone who commented in the "Closed Nature" thread stated they're still buying the game, the answer is obviously no.

# 67 jfsolo @ 06/14/12 02:36 PM

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	You make a well-reasoned and compelling arguement here. But I'm not sold.

Someone posted this on another board in response to a post that was probably about 300 words, and I thought, on the internet this is about the best conclusion you can expect. People who legitimately enjoy exchanging ideas on a topic could continue the discussion, but most people should just go the "agree to disagree" route as soon as possible, because "I'm right, you're wrong" seems to be what's in most people's thoughts

It is what it is.

# 68 Jukeman @ 06/14/12 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Yeats


	Given almost everyone who commented in the "Closed Nature" thread stated they're still buying the game, the answer is obviously no.

By that logic gameplay isn't a core feature then

Every body bought Madden in the last 10 years.

# 69 PaleVermilion @ 06/14/12 02:38 PM

All I know is that my biggest gripe with EA football games has been the gameplay. It seems like they are FINALLY starting to address that issue with this first phase of RTP. I don't care how many "features" a game has. If the gameplay sucks I won't be playing it. They're also moving a new direction with CCM, and I'm excited about the direction its going. Yeah it sucks certain stuff wasn't able to make it in this year, but it seems like they're trying to establish a new foundation for how franchise modes are played. Seems like they're finally trying to be innovative with this game. I'm all for that because its just been stale on this gen.

# 70 Yeats @ 06/14/12 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jukeman


	By that logic gameplay isn't a core feature then

LOL, clever.

# 71 DNMHIII @ 06/14/12 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PaleVermilion


	All I know is that my biggest gripe with EA football games has been the gameplay. It seems like they are FINALLY starting to address that issue with this first phase of RTP. I don't care how many "features" a game has. If the gameplay sucks I won't be playing it. They're also moving a new direction with CCM, and I'm excited about the direction its going. Yeah it sucks certain stuff wasn't able to make it in this year, but it seems like they're trying to establish a new foundation for how franchise modes are played. Seems like they're finally trying to be innovative with this game. I'm all for that because its just been stale on this gen.

I think almost all of us agree with progression in gameplay is #1 and I haven't read anything about being unhappy with the new engine including myself. This thread is only about the CCM mode and how its lack of current features has stripped many users of playing the game as they've done in the past.

# 72 Jukeman @ 06/14/12 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Yeats


	LOL, clever.

But on a serious note, I know a fella that buys NBA2k just to edit the gear on players. Make highlights and such.

Art is important to us humans.

# 73 roadman @ 06/14/12 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bucky60


	What's best for the Madden community is to stop continually removing and re-adding features. What's best for the community is to keep adding features and enhancing the product. I've never owned an NFL2K game, so I'm not a fanboy of somebody elses product. All I care about is a good NFL game. I don't care who makes it. So my next statement isn't meant to trash EA/Tib, but is their management that bad that they continually reinvent the direction of the game, that features have to be continually removed? How can anybody not be upset at how they've handled the game? Every year we have OS'ers defending the "NEW FOUNDATION" for the future. And I just LOL.

What's good for the community is if said features work with new code of CCM. JF is right, this just keeps going around in circles and circles.

If said features were implemented and buggy, not playable, are you telling me you would not be complaining like you are now and just be quiet and play the buggy game?

What new foundation was laid out last year that features were removed?

# 74 statum71 @ 06/14/12 03:28 PM

I wish they would've just kept the basic Franchise mode seperate and left that one in the game.

This is just not considering the offline multi-player Franchise players at all.

# 75 briz1744 @ 06/14/12 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Yeats


	Given almost everyone who commented in the "Closed Nature" thread stated they're still buying t anywayhe game, the answer is obviously no.

TBH I think most people on here will buy the game

# 76 roadman @ 06/14/12 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bucky60


	with you defending each one.

Incorrect statement.

# 77 DNMHIII @ 06/14/12 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	What's good for the community is if said features work with new code of CCM. JF is right, this just keeps going around in circles and circles. If said features were implemented and buggy, not playable, are you telling me you would not be complaining like you are now and just be quiet and play the buggy game? What new foundation was laid out last year that features were removed?

Maybe if CCM was designed around said features there wouldn't even be a discussion and both online and offline users would have a more robust game and thats the real issue here. Don't design by creating functional issues and if you've got two years to do it and you double your staff in year two and you still can't get it right there's some real issues that result in people voicing frustration.

Stop going around and around and just focus on going forward thats all people want.

FYI: This opinion is coming from someone that was previously a member of the strategic planning division of one of the biggest companies in the world. I've been a fan of this game for a long time and I'm not some random high school kid that can't think about anyone but himself.

# 78 roadman @ 06/14/12 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DNMHIII


	Maybe if CCM was designed around said features there wouldn't even be a discussion and both online and offline users would have a more robust game and thats the real issue here. Don't design by creating functional issues and if you've got two years to do it and you double your staff in year two and you still can't get it right there's some real issues that result in people voicing frustration. Stop going around and around and just focus on going forward thats all people want.

Well said.

I don't have a clue what went on behind the production meetings.

Let's hope the easiest function to get back in is a release day patch, that might say a thing or two.

# 79 sticks323 @ 06/14/12 03:41 PM

Bring back mini camp training games to improve your player. New games, more fun

# 80 PaleVermilion @ 06/14/12 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DNMHIII


	I think almost all of us agree with progression in gameplay is #1 and I haven't read anything about being unhappy with the new engine including myself. This thread is only about the CCM mode and how its lack of current features has stripped many users of playing the game as they've done in the past.

Yep, I know that. Thanks. I see about 10 different threads on here talking about that. All I was saying was that for me, I'm happy with CCM because its addressing how I would like to play this game.

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