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# 743
TheBleedingRed21 @ 06/07/12 11:27 PM
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This ticks me off... you can not develop an honest opinion when playing something once.. It might feel the same because you have not taken the time to see the change.
The game isn't good makes no sense when 12' was a "good" game but had its flaws. You need to spend a little more time before you say a game isn't good my friend.
Can someone please answer this at times when with the rb my juke was the long side step and at other times it was the quick side step to cut back quick has anyone else experienced this and if so figured out how it officially works?
# 745
TheBleedingRed21 @ 06/07/12 11:28 PM
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I like the way the demo plays. It feels better than NCAA 12 does. My biggest complaint is how easy the CPU and myself have been getting pressure and how useless zone coverage has been. Everytime I call zone coverage I get beat deep. My defenders just sit there as the receivers run right by them.
# 748
chlnmtchll @ 06/07/12 11:38 PM
Demo plays great. Few problems like when running a no huddle one time i had all my receivers, rb, and qb in o-line or other postions. then o-line at qb, rb, and wr it was funny i ran the play regardless. Also during a lsu bama game i got stuck with their playbooks for my next game. kind of sucked.
# 749
PowerofRed25 @ 06/07/12 11:41 PM
A few more notes:
- I'm getting a ton of plays where the QB lines up way off-center. Hadn't noticed running all spread gun before but under center, he is way off.
- Passing is insanely easy. I'm cranking off passes between defenders on the run off my back foot and putting it on a dime. Reminds me of Wedding Crashers "I was first-team All-State, I'll make it rain out here."
- Onside kicks don't bounce at all. Tried about 6 times in a variety of locations.
- CPU threw a TD pass to a WR who landed BEYOND the white line in the end zone. Not even close. No review.
- Unfortunately, that's the only way the CPU can score on me. CPU passing is awful. If they get a good pass off, it's dropped. More often than not, they just launch a hail mary to get picked off.
- Offense is SO easy. Doesn't matter the team or offense. I've run 8 times for 150 yards in one half with Baylor's RB. 2 TD. That was running Wildcat and HB dive out of Strong/Weak. CPU run D is awful, players backpedal way too long and hardly react. I know we wanted the CPU to honor the play action pass which they never used to do, but this is crazy.
- Spin moves are incredibly easy. Juke moves are next to useless. The timing on those is weird all of a sudden.
- Still noticing a lot of psychic DB play, but ironically more in zone than man. They seem to be hedging towards exactly where the WR is going before he goes there. I notice it more on in routes than anything else.
- Still really bothered by slow down, lag and flickering on the PS3. Graphics are not even par.
Just a lot of really weird stuff going on in these games. The game itself feels really good, a lot better than normal and everything seems to flow very well, but I'm seeing some head scratching stuff.
- I'm getting a ton of plays where the QB lines up way off-center. Hadn't noticed running all spread gun before but under center, he is way off.
- Passing is insanely easy. I'm cranking off passes between defenders on the run off my back foot and putting it on a dime. Reminds me of Wedding Crashers "I was first-team All-State, I'll make it rain out here."
- Onside kicks don't bounce at all. Tried about 6 times in a variety of locations.
- CPU threw a TD pass to a WR who landed BEYOND the white line in the end zone. Not even close. No review.
- Unfortunately, that's the only way the CPU can score on me. CPU passing is awful. If they get a good pass off, it's dropped. More often than not, they just launch a hail mary to get picked off.
- Offense is SO easy. Doesn't matter the team or offense. I've run 8 times for 150 yards in one half with Baylor's RB. 2 TD. That was running Wildcat and HB dive out of Strong/Weak. CPU run D is awful, players backpedal way too long and hardly react. I know we wanted the CPU to honor the play action pass which they never used to do, but this is crazy.
- Spin moves are incredibly easy. Juke moves are next to useless. The timing on those is weird all of a sudden.
- Still noticing a lot of psychic DB play, but ironically more in zone than man. They seem to be hedging towards exactly where the WR is going before he goes there. I notice it more on in routes than anything else.
- Still really bothered by slow down, lag and flickering on the PS3. Graphics are not even par.
Just a lot of really weird stuff going on in these games. The game itself feels really good, a lot better than normal and everything seems to flow very well, but I'm seeing some head scratching stuff.
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# 751
PowerofRed25 @ 06/07/12 11:49 PM
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Zone defense in the passing game also have problems as players seem to get stuck on receivers running through their zone and never release them, which leaves entire sides of the field wide open. It happened in all the preview videos and it is happening in the demo. The CPU is almost trying to cheat its "read and react" coverage to beat the player to the spot in zone, but in doing so, takes them way out of their assigned area.
There are a lot of problems that I would classify as glitchy gameplay, rather than simply difficultly level. As others have pointed out, varsity is actually a bonus neutral difficulty level, meaning it plays fairly straight without one side getting a boost (as opposed to a level like Heisman which gives the CPU an incredibly unrealistic bonus).
I should preface my comments though and say I haven't lost to the CPU in the last three years of this game and I play with VERY hard sliders that are supposed to make you lose in my 12 user OD.
# 752
DetroitStyle @ 06/08/12 12:00 AM
Played a few more games today and the PS3 issues are still nagging. I thought maybe I needed to get used to the stuttering and framerate drops but it's too hard to ignore. It might be a demo issue, but then again it might not be.
The graphics are awful on the PS3. From the shimmering, to the low res textures, to the 3D grass and aliasing issues it's just awful in what could be a really polished and refined product. I bring this up constantly because these issues are nowhere to be found on the 360 and it really makes me nervous as a PS3 buyer.
I also noticed and can confirm that WHITE uniforms do NOT get dirty. Oregon's pants had the proper wear and tear, but the white tops were sparkling at the end of the game. Also, the bench players are a horrible mix of PS1 rendered players and next gen rendered players. It doesn't mesh well at all, especially on close up cutscenes that sometimes have them in it. It's like two different versions of the game are being rendered. This is not a demo issue either, as full retail versions in the past have had this. Lastly, the crowd is awful when not in a specific crowd cutscene. It's blurred (too much blur is rampant across all platforms) and pixelated.
The good news though is that I'm still really impressed with the gameplay, as it's solid and fun when it runs smoothly. Still not impressed with CPU playcalling though. I'm still loving the presentation elements and the ESPN integration is really well done. Commentary is good enough as well as the Reece updates, but I don't really pay that much attention to sound anymore in that aspect. The crowd noise and on field sounds are great though.
The graphics are awful on the PS3. From the shimmering, to the low res textures, to the 3D grass and aliasing issues it's just awful in what could be a really polished and refined product. I bring this up constantly because these issues are nowhere to be found on the 360 and it really makes me nervous as a PS3 buyer.
I also noticed and can confirm that WHITE uniforms do NOT get dirty. Oregon's pants had the proper wear and tear, but the white tops were sparkling at the end of the game. Also, the bench players are a horrible mix of PS1 rendered players and next gen rendered players. It doesn't mesh well at all, especially on close up cutscenes that sometimes have them in it. It's like two different versions of the game are being rendered. This is not a demo issue either, as full retail versions in the past have had this. Lastly, the crowd is awful when not in a specific crowd cutscene. It's blurred (too much blur is rampant across all platforms) and pixelated.
The good news though is that I'm still really impressed with the gameplay, as it's solid and fun when it runs smoothly. Still not impressed with CPU playcalling though. I'm still loving the presentation elements and the ESPN integration is really well done. Commentary is good enough as well as the Reece updates, but I don't really pay that much attention to sound anymore in that aspect. The crowd noise and on field sounds are great though.
# 753
PowerofRed25 @ 06/08/12 12:05 AM
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The option glitch is back, but it is slightly different than last year. Last year, the LB's would slide and the CB's would simply freeze in place. This year I'm noticing that the LB's slide and CB's freeze in place UNTIL the ball is advanced beyond the line of scrimmage, at which point they react. Of course by then it is pointless. I'm a little worried about that.
CPU Zone defense I'm a little less worried about, but concerned none the less. There have been problems both in the demo and released gameplay video of zone defenders essentially latching on to WR's as they run through their zone (as they should) but then failing to release and running with them. Obviously that leaves a huge part of the field open. I've been trying to isolate when this happens and it seems like it is usually Cover 2, but with no replay, I can't verify it too easily.
It is most noticeable on combo routes like Shallow Cross. Where a zone defender will cheat towards the in route (before the in is actually run) and then stick with him across the field while the underneath runs completely uncovered.
Like I said, I'm trying to experiment but with barely any quarter length, no replays and limited playbooks, it isn't easy. I do know many others have made similar observations though.
# 755
DerkontheOS @ 06/08/12 12:17 AM
And dear god fix the sim stats for qbs! I can't play a dynasty where everyone has below 50% completion percentage.
Also, my player seem to be celebrating pretty hardcore at the end of the first for being up 3-0.
Then, there is the thing about my interior line not pass blocking and I get sacked before I even complete my drop back. Pretty annoying.
Also, my player seem to be celebrating pretty hardcore at the end of the first for being up 3-0.
Then, there is the thing about my interior line not pass blocking and I get sacked before I even complete my drop back. Pretty annoying.
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Back to Impressions, I just really need to see what will happen with sliders and threshold adjustments. The gameplay is reminding me alot of Madden 12, wich I still enjoy, but my heart is with the college game.
Really digging the in-game update addition, at least the fact that I will be able to see what is going on in my dynasty. Nice touch.
Its been hit or miss for me with the DT super blockshedding, either crazy quick or real nice pocket formed.
Overall, I'm still excited to get my hands on the game.
# 757
DetroitStyle @ 06/08/12 01:20 AM
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I agree with Power of Red's statement a few posts back. I got suckered in with all the hype and went ahead and preordered. But, after playing this demo several times. I believe we are headed in the same direction as last year. Option seems off kind of like last year and is just one broken patch away from being just as bad as last year. The gameplay is just really screwed up IMO. Doesn't even feel like a football game to me. I know it's just the demo. But, I feel as though I've seen this movie before and I know how its going to end unfortunately. I hope that I'm wrong.
# 759
PowerofRed25 @ 06/08/12 01:47 AM
This game was an all out pass attack, just to put the passing game through its paces.
- Is anyone getting any sort of defensive contest on curl routes? Defensive backs play a mile off on that route and never seem to recover. I've completed it every time for 12+.
- Got my first penalty so far, hold on the CPU. I actually saw the hold occur too, that was kind of cool.
- Nearly blocked a FG. Entire left side of my block team blew right through but I took control the guy and completely whiffed. He probably had it if I left him alone.
- PA passing looks really good. Defense seems to honor the fake and it is blocked well. I don't have to take control of the QB before the fake ends just to escape. Had a sexy throw to Woods on a PA off the counter. PA passes that boot to the side opposite of the QB's arm are still awkward, which he'd just twist his upper body.
- Crowd noise is louder while I'm on offense than it is on defense at home.
- Still getting a bunch of "psychic" DB play, although mostly in zone rather than man this time. Man seems to be tuned correctly.
- Just had a booth review of a spot. Was called short, review overturned it to a first down. Later in the game, had a call called a TD, review put it on the 1. Bad call though.
- Routes with hard pivots seem VERY sloppy, especially the follow route.
- There is some weird stuff happening on onside kicks. The second the ball hits the ground, a player or two dive on the ground nowhere near the ball. Some players run away from it and it usually leads to a return. Only time I got a bounce other than a 99 hop ground ball has been when I aimed all the way low.
- CPU just ran a fake punt on 4th and 24 (it was obvious when they aligned in a tight formation), all their receivers ran into the endzone and stopped, the punter threw it into the ground 30 yards short. They were in plus territory too.
- Just had a major WTF moment. Threw a flag route down the field at the sideline (Cover 2 safety stopped and covered nothing), my guy went up, caught it, was hit, both field came down inbounds and he was driven out of bounds. As he laid there, he dropped the ball. There was a weird pause, vibration in the controller and the ref signaled incomplete. It was a cool animation, but that's a catch.
- The rhythmic swaying of the USC band is driving me absolutely insane.
- Had a play where Barkley got smoked as he threw downfield, ball tumbled in the air and another unintended WR ran after it to get it. That was pretty cool.
- Threw a pass before the icon lit and it was a bad miss.
- Cover 2 zone defense continues to be a major problem for the CPU. Safeties DO NOT cover anything. 4th and 28 and I ran a Seam Route with Woods and neither safety even attempted to follow. They froze in their tracks. Same stuff from the gameplay videos. They gain neither depth or width on the field. Woods had no one within 25 yards. Next drive on 3rd and 19, I launched a streak up the sideline and no one even ran with him. It is like there is confusion on assignments because someone runs with the guy for 15 yards and then everyone stops.
- OL play is not good but better. I've had a TON of plays where they were confused, froze and blocked nothing for an instant sack.
- CPU runs an ungodly amount of slip screens and never completes a single one.
- Can't seem to get a fade route or throw to work. Even the slightest tap is a low throw.
- The pixelation of the grass is horrendous in replay.
- I can't seem to get sack avoidance to work all that well, but I also tend to react too late because my eyes are always downfield.
- Oregon's pants and helmet got dirty, jersey not at all.
- I threw for over 400 yards and 3 TD in this one. Threw 2 bad INT though.
- Is anyone getting any sort of defensive contest on curl routes? Defensive backs play a mile off on that route and never seem to recover. I've completed it every time for 12+.
- Got my first penalty so far, hold on the CPU. I actually saw the hold occur too, that was kind of cool.
- Nearly blocked a FG. Entire left side of my block team blew right through but I took control the guy and completely whiffed. He probably had it if I left him alone.
- PA passing looks really good. Defense seems to honor the fake and it is blocked well. I don't have to take control of the QB before the fake ends just to escape. Had a sexy throw to Woods on a PA off the counter. PA passes that boot to the side opposite of the QB's arm are still awkward, which he'd just twist his upper body.
- Crowd noise is louder while I'm on offense than it is on defense at home.
- Still getting a bunch of "psychic" DB play, although mostly in zone rather than man this time. Man seems to be tuned correctly.
- Just had a booth review of a spot. Was called short, review overturned it to a first down. Later in the game, had a call called a TD, review put it on the 1. Bad call though.
- Routes with hard pivots seem VERY sloppy, especially the follow route.
- There is some weird stuff happening on onside kicks. The second the ball hits the ground, a player or two dive on the ground nowhere near the ball. Some players run away from it and it usually leads to a return. Only time I got a bounce other than a 99 hop ground ball has been when I aimed all the way low.
- CPU just ran a fake punt on 4th and 24 (it was obvious when they aligned in a tight formation), all their receivers ran into the endzone and stopped, the punter threw it into the ground 30 yards short. They were in plus territory too.
- Just had a major WTF moment. Threw a flag route down the field at the sideline (Cover 2 safety stopped and covered nothing), my guy went up, caught it, was hit, both field came down inbounds and he was driven out of bounds. As he laid there, he dropped the ball. There was a weird pause, vibration in the controller and the ref signaled incomplete. It was a cool animation, but that's a catch.
- The rhythmic swaying of the USC band is driving me absolutely insane.
- Had a play where Barkley got smoked as he threw downfield, ball tumbled in the air and another unintended WR ran after it to get it. That was pretty cool.
- Threw a pass before the icon lit and it was a bad miss.
- Cover 2 zone defense continues to be a major problem for the CPU. Safeties DO NOT cover anything. 4th and 28 and I ran a Seam Route with Woods and neither safety even attempted to follow. They froze in their tracks. Same stuff from the gameplay videos. They gain neither depth or width on the field. Woods had no one within 25 yards. Next drive on 3rd and 19, I launched a streak up the sideline and no one even ran with him. It is like there is confusion on assignments because someone runs with the guy for 15 yards and then everyone stops.
- OL play is not good but better. I've had a TON of plays where they were confused, froze and blocked nothing for an instant sack.
- CPU runs an ungodly amount of slip screens and never completes a single one.
- Can't seem to get a fade route or throw to work. Even the slightest tap is a low throw.
- The pixelation of the grass is horrendous in replay.
- I can't seem to get sack avoidance to work all that well, but I also tend to react too late because my eyes are always downfield.
- Oregon's pants and helmet got dirty, jersey not at all.
- I threw for over 400 yards and 3 TD in this one. Threw 2 bad INT though.
# 760
PowerofRed25 @ 06/08/12 01:56 AM
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I'm not totally sure there is a read on this new play though, I'll have to experiment more with it and see. This play would have been a great starting point for EA to implement the veer/inverted veer. Bring the jet guy around, read that backside DE, if he slides out with the jet, keep and go right to his vacated spot. If he stays home or cheats down, hand and weeeee.
EDIT: It appears that the playside defensive is left unblocked on this play. So it is essentially a read option with the jet WR and then a speed option off of that. That's an incredibly tough and quick read though.
EDIT 2: I attempted to make this play into a do-it-yourself inverted veer and had some success but it isn't authentic since I'm reading the backside defender. However if you keep and follow the jet WR through the hole it makes for a nifty QB Power.
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