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NBA 2K12 Developer Insight #4 - Playcall System

01:01 PM - September 2, 2011 by Steve_OS

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# 161 stillfeelme @ 09/02/11 08:13 PM

To all the people worried about what from the playbook saves online lets take a wait and see approach. It may not be as bad as what you think if everything does not transform 100% online.

Positive:

As long as your player has the right play types already selected then you should have access to all of those play types. They didn't exactly say there were default play types assigned to players already but I kind of figure that they have to be since they mentioned players keeping play types when they are traded. So in a sense your playbook say for one of your players will be expanded to all of those types so you wouldn't have to change each time you go online.

Negative:

If you wanted to setup a random offense and wanted to adjust the weighting factor then you would have to set this up each and every time if you can't save your playbooks to use online. Seems pretty minor to me
If you wanted to setup specific quick plays than the default ones. Well you may be out of luck here if you can't save online. At the end you may end up having to set these up. This may be major to some if they don't like the default quick plays. Example if they are playing as the Knicks and they wanted say a post up Melo and post up Stat and that wasn't default quick play.

To me personally these this would not be that big of deal but to some it may be.

# 162 Mos1ted @ 09/02/11 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by thugnificant


	but notice no defense counter to "leak out" this will be the new cheese move in 2k12.* full court passes to leaking players being called "fast breaks"*

That remains to be seen in my opinion. I was very successful at initiating the fast break in 2K11 with a team like the Wizards, but to counter, all that was necessary was a commitment from the other team to get back down court following a missed shot. If a team selects leak out, just make sure your defense doesn't choose to crash the boards.

# 163 guesswhozbak17 @ 09/02/11 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mos1ted


	That remains to be seen in my opinion. I was very successful at initiating the fast break in 2K11 with a team like the Wizards, but to counter, all that was necessary was a commitment from the other team to get back down court following a missed shot. If a team selects leak out, just make sure your defense doesn't choose to crash the boards.

You're right that it remains to be seen but this goes back to it being an offensive strategy and defensive strategy. Leaking out means you are risking ending your defense EARLY to start your next OFFENSIVE possession EARLY. The proper coaching adjustment is to either crash the boards aggressively and make your opponent pay for not boxing out OR as you said, to send people back with the leakers...which bring me back to the point I've been trying to make all day...

There is no defensive counter in the game that strategies this (based on the information given to us).

Or the best possible strategy....knock down all your shots.

# 164 hoodkid205 @ 09/02/11 08:41 PM

*Leak Out – Outside player leaks out on shots to get a break going.....(should be a defensive set instead of offense like someone said earlier)

Collapse and Rebound – team attacks the basket for offensive boards....(should be the counter)....IMO

oh there should be a get back option ( well i guess we could decrease the crash the board bar)

P.S. I THINK SOMEONE SAID ALL THIS EARLIER

# 165 Kingofthecouch @ 09/02/11 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 23


	Stop calling this useless if you cant save online all of us don't live and die with online play Sent from my A500 using Tapatalk

Online or offline, I hate having to put my plays in every game (online) or having to put them in after a roster update (offline) so either way we need to be able to save plays and make them stick until we change them.

# 166 Kingofthecouch @ 09/02/11 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Czar


	I made this argument as strongly as I could. The implementation of plays online happened after I left. It's not a let's just not allow them to do it situation. Or a simple" if they press this button they can allow it." It's not that they didn't understand the need.

I'm sure its deeper than "lets not allow them to do it" I believe it had/has more to do with the code or the NBA today feature... I don't work for 2K so I'm jusy guessing... bur it doesn't take a genius to figure out it had/has to be something out of their control. VERY ANNOYING THO 2K!!

# 167 RedSceptile @ 09/02/11 09:19 PM

I'm pretty sure Leak Out would set 1-2 players at half court which means you have a 5 > 3 advantage in terms of crashing the Offensive Boards. In real life when this happens teams tend to get punished for this (basket hanging, cherry picking whatever you want to call) I think everyone is forgetting the obvious disadvantages that come with this setting and just looking at the positives. Sure you can get an early break at times, but overextending in hopes of getting that easy basket can punish you badly. Just playing for example online MyPlayer games where 1-2 guys would try and cherry pick, our teams pretty much always scored since we had 1-2 guys uncovered to get boards and punish the other team.

# 168 adwin7 @ 09/02/11 09:27 PM

Its seems as if it is quite a gamble to use the leak out offense because it leaves you with no specific set on the offensive side and rebounding and defensively deficient on the defensive side. I would guess that you cant select your off set while on def, as this has been how 2k handles play calling normally. So therefore I could see how this could be balanced with a team that boxes out more aggressively, or just a gamble either way.

Plus with the live ball physics their may be a little more of a purpose for crashing boards as their may be more long rebounds and loose balls.

# 169 adwin7 @ 09/02/11 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RedSceptile


	I'm pretty sure Leak Out would set 1-2 players at half court which means you have a 5 > 3 advantage in terms of crashing the Offensive Boards. In real life when this happens teams tend to get punished for this (basket hanging, cherry picking whatever you want to call) I think everyone is forgetting the obvious disadvantages that come with this setting and just looking at the positives. Sure you can get an early break at times, but overextending in hopes of getting that easy basket can punish you badly. Just playing for example online MyPlayer games where 1-2 guys would try and cherry pick, our teams pretty much always scored since we had 1-2 guys uncovered to get boards and punish the other team.

My thoughts exactly

# 170 basketballfreak24 @ 09/02/11 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Czar


	There is definite hope. They didn't say hell no that's stupid... LOL I can't say anymore than that but last year you had to hope they even knew about it. This year at least I am telling you they know and they know it's important. If it isn't in then there is a reason. And that reason is not that they don't think it's important.

thanks 4 some kind of answer atleast anyway. its like an instant online/offline war anytime you ask about online on this site.

# 171 guesswhozbak17 @ 09/02/11 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by adwin7


	Its seems as if it is quite a gamble to use the leak out offense because it leaves you with no specific set on the offensive side and rebounding and defensively deficient on the defensive side. I would guess that you cant select your off set while on def, as this has been how 2k handles play calling normally. So therefore I could see how this could be balanced with a team that boxes out more aggressively, or just a gamble either way. Plus with the live ball physics their may be a little more of a purpose for crashing boards as their may be more long rebounds and loose balls.

I'm very interested in seeing how the "Leak Out" works/doesn't work. Based on ALL the information provided, 2k12 is shaping out to be an excellent game. The "Leak Out" is my only concern. I just hoped it is tweaked to work correctly. I'm sure that if it is over powering, there will be a patch to address it.

I, personally, don't like patches because they usually fix one thing and break another but we can only speculate until Oct. 4th.

# 172 Da_Czar @ 09/02/11 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by guesswhozbak17


	I really don't want to be sharing any ideas but I'm almost sure that if the "Leak Out" is more effective than the other strategies, the typical player will have the "Leak Out" set which will give him the advantage of starting a fast break and IF you somehow stop the fast break and they retain possession, they will simply switch from "Leak Out" to another option being that they still have the ball. "slowING the pace down, movING the ball, takING good shots," as you said are all things you as the user have to do, it's not a strategy you can set. That's why I was pointing it out. I am also assuming there are more fast break "OPPORTUNITIES" than half court sets with the "Leak Out" option. This is all an assumption being that I don't have the game, just an educated guess based on the information provide.

May not be convenient but you can always just crash the boards. IF you miss your going to have a 5-4 4-3 2-1 advantage on the glass. They can leak all they want to their taking the ball out under the basket.

# 173 BigDaneAyMane @ 09/02/11 09:39 PM

I absolutely love this insight, but I am also in that group of online gamers where it doesn't mean much to me if I can't save my playbooks online. I love running plays in 2K, but if you mainly play in online leagues(hopefully association now!) it is a freakin buzzkill to have to manually edit your playbook before every single game.

It's the main reason I stopped playing in sim leagues. It just got too annoying spending ten minutes between the two users before every game getting playbooks ready.

I realize it must not be as simple as we all think it is, since many of us have been screaming about this for years, but in my opinion it should be a top priority if you want to encourage a more sim style play among the online community.

Great insight though!

# 174 Da_Czar @ 09/02/11 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RedSceptile


	I'm pretty sure Leak Out would set 1-2 players at half court which means you have a 5 > 3 advantage in terms of crashing the Offensive Boards. In real life when this happens teams tend to get punished for this (basket hanging, cherry picking whatever you want to call) I think everyone is forgetting the obvious disadvantages that come with this setting and just looking at the positives. Sure you can get an early break at times, but overextending in hopes of getting that easy basket can punish you badly. Just playing for example online MyPlayer games where 1-2 guys would try and cherry pick, our teams pretty much always scored since we had 1-2 guys uncovered to get boards and punish the other team.

Well said Red if I wasn't behind in the thread I would have just given this post the thumbs up and been done with it. LOL

# 175 Da_Czar @ 09/02/11 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDaneAyMane


	I absolutely love this insight, but I am also in that group of online gamers where it doesn't mean much to me if I can't save my playbooks online. I love running plays in 2K, but if you mainly play in online leagues(hopefully association now!) it is a freakin buzzkill to have to manually edit your playbook before every single game. It's the main reason I stopped playing in sim leagues. It just got too annoying spending ten minutes between the two users before every game getting playbooks ready. I realize it must not be as simple as we all think it is, since many of us have been screaming about this for years, but in my opinion it should be a top priority if you want to encourage a more sim style play among the online community. Great insight though!

Well said I am in full agreement.

# 176 guesswhozbak17 @ 09/02/11 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Czar


	May not be convenient but you can always just crash the boards. IF you miss your going to have a 5-4 4-3 2-1 advantage on the glass. They can leak all they want to their taking the ball out under the basket.

Agreed that 5-4,4-3 and 2-1 will be an advantage, as it should be. I'm hoping that when using a good rebounding team ex. Lakers vs. a poor rebounding team ex. Warriors, the Lakers theoretically should be killing the Warriors on the offensive glass. The Warriors should have an advantage in fast break points. IF the Lakers are not dominating the offensive glass, that's where I can foresee a problem if LA can't consistently out rebound the Warriors on the glass when someone with a poor rebounding team utilizes the "Leak Out" option.

# 177 hoodkid205 @ 09/02/11 09:52 PM

it just hit me....seems like we are forgetting we will have a 5 3 advantage on the boards if we crash

# 178 Da_Czar @ 09/02/11 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by guesswhozbak17


	Agreed that 5-4,4-3 and 2-1 will be an advantage, as it should be. I'm hoping that when using a good rebounding team ex. Lakers vs. a poor rebounding team ex. Warriors, the Lakers theoretically should be killing the Warriors on the offensive glass. The Warriors should have an advantage in fast break points. IF the Lakers are not dominating the offensive glass, that's where I can foresee a problem if LA can't consistently out rebound the Warriors on the glass when someone with a poor rebounding team utilizes the "Leak Out" option.

They do even down to if you have a great rebounder on your squad he has some advantages if he is able to get his hands on the ball. So strategically if you have better rebounders you can gamble with going 2 on 3 on the boards and still get more than your share of boards if the matchups permit.

If your the type that pays attention to that stuff it starts to add up. Listen 2k12 had some people who normally play 5 -7 minute quarters bumping it up to 9-12 because the pace of the game and the flow was so good.

It's not perfect but I had so much fun while playing you just want to continue to play. And there are SOOOOooooo many matchups and playstyles.

# 179 guesswhozbak17 @ 09/02/11 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Czar


	They do even down to if you have a great rebounder on your squad he has some advantages if he is able to get his hands on the ball. So strategically if you have better rebounders you can gamble with going 2 on 3 on the boards and still get more than your share of boards if the matchups permit. If your the type that pays attention to that stuff it starts to add up. Listen 2k12 had some people who normally play 5 -7 minute quarters bumping it up to 9-12 because the pace of the game and the flow was so good. It's not perfect but I had so much fun while playing you just want to continue to play. And there are SOOOOooooo many matchups and playstyles.

And that is the point I'm trying to make. If a slow tempo style can compete with a fast break oriented team (Finals match up: Mavs vs. Heat) then everything is fine in my book. In 2k11, though the fast break wasn't as good as it should have been, a fast paced game was typically how the game was played, even with the slowest of teams.

If you can methodically break down your opponents possession after possession, match up after match up...then this is THE chess game I'm looking to play.

# 180 guesswhozbak17 @ 09/02/11 10:00 PM

Also, elaborate on going from 5-7 min quarters to 9-12. Are you implying something there?

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