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Fact or Fiction: NCAA Football 12 Outlook

12:57 PM - July 1, 2011 by ChaseB

Serving as the moderator for this edition of Fact or Fiction, I wanted to ask some questions that echoed some of the sentiments I had been reading on the site in regards to the NCAA Football 12 demo.

Dustin Toms and Christian McLeod were the two participants this time around, and they had the opportunity to answer those questions.

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# 101 ChaseB @ 07/02/11 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by khaliib


	As I stated things here at OS has changed from how it was several years ago. Not that there was a sinister motive by these writers in particular, but there seems to be a sinister attitude towards those that have a view that might not be as positive about the game. (Just read some of the replies) When the writer starts off by saying "It's people like this..." because the veiw was different, kind of seems like the whole purpose of the write-up was to say those that don't see the game on the same manner, simply are lacking something to have such a view. (I wouldn't or did not say Stupid) I wouldn't say that a Gamers can't have an opinion, but I've watched how non-positive notations about EA games have been met with sinister replies that seem to be given more leeway in expression. In a nutshell, I replied because I wondered if those that agreed with Jayson's write-up (not as positve), if such a person would be given the same leeway to do a Fact or Fiction write-up to counter such gloating perspectives that the writers present? Would it be Deleted? Would they be warned or Banned? I could care less one way or another and take no side, it's a video game. I've got likes and dislikes, but still will buy and find a way to enjoy it.

At this point, I think we might be talking about different things here. I am not a moderator, nor am I privy to the way folks may or may not be handled on here. But, I can at least say from the writing side of things, that Jayson -- as I said previously -- would have absolutely been on this Fact or Fiction if he was not working on a Backbreaker review because we generally try to get two guys on -- or even three guys in some cases -- so we can really get folks who have passionate differences on topics to make the FoF more interesting than having two people agree more or less. We don't try to manufacture those opinions though, so Dustin and Christian agree more than not hence why it was a bit more one sided on this particular FoF.

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Originally Posted by khaliib


	I wouldn't go that far. There are so many perspectives of what looks/plays right and what's changed, there really isn't a right or wrong dealing with the game. We're talking Millions of different perspectives. We wouldn't be having many of these discussions if the game was more customizable. Options, options, options. I feel that's why so many agreed with Jayson's write-up, because there are no options or have very limited options that allow them to fix what they feel is wrong about their game. Example: No Recruit Editor eventhough every year, gamers run to the Forums looking for Slider/Re-Rated Rosters to help improve an aspect of Gameplay they don't like. Again, so many perspectives, but limited options for Gamers to adjust to their own perspective, is what's driving much of the around here.

I would agree with that overall sentiment and that it makes sense. However, I think you would hear some people say that they did add some customization this year.

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Originally Posted by TheTodd84


	why do you think, Chase, that MLB: The Show, FIFA and NHL are consistently viewed as better games than NCAA? It is the custom entrances? Nope. Is the commentary? A little bit. Is it the presentation? A little bit. But what is it MOSTLY? Wait for it... the GAMEPLAY. So, if that is the case, then why is the dev team at NCAA still focusing on getting Bevo to look right when they should be trying to make oregon play like a damn spread-option team and make the zone read actually usable?

I'm not sure why I'm being targeted specifically for this response...

Nevertheless, I would agree the gameplay is why those games are considered better, but I never made any argument that NCAA was better -- not that I even really compared them anywhere, ever -- than those other franchises.

I'm not really going to go down this path of balancing what's done by art team and gameplay team again because I'm pretty sure I already had that discussion recently when it comes to people making an argument that Bevo etc. should be ignored entirely until every gameplay fix occurs. I don't think it's really an argument that is entirely reasonable or feasible but, again, if someone wants to pitch that argument then cool.

# 102 khaliib @ 07/03/11 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaseB


	I think you would hear some people say that they did add some customization this year.

I don't know if you've had the chance to visit/read about some of the fixes we've found editing player ratings up or down.

We have actual fixes/improvements for many of the Gameplay issues that many gamers are complaining about.

Even video's are provided as proof in some threads to show that these are not fly-by thoughts being thrown around.

I guess when Ben stated that the reason we couldn't/they would provide a Recruit/Player Editor to improve the game was because of how some "Online Cheaters" would use/abuse it, that just felt like a "Shank" in the back to alot of gamers that spent hours/days to find such fixes to cover the Dev's back by improving the game.

If you get a chance, visit one of the threads by Playmaker or GotMadSkillz and see what we've found and are discussing.

Maybe having a writer like yourself do a write-up about what we've found might capture the Dev's attention and help the cause.

If they would simply give us the Editing ability, we would take this game to the next level.

# 103 mirrored32 @ 07/03/11 03:42 AM

Excellent write up! it addresses the debate on the range of responses that are from 'junk' to 'best game ever' and how they are perceived and accepted/denied. One thing that is not in denial is there is plenty of opinion to go around and that shows a ton of interest response for the game. It means the game is desired and wanted being these ranges of thoughts are out there.

Though there are often a minority of responses out that are unconstructive, I think the debate of NCAA 12 being a worthy follow up to NCAA 11 is really a perception of what is the expectation for a new game EVERY YEAR.

IMO I think NCAA 12 have major improvements. #1 non suction blocking #2 real 3d lights #4 Coaching Carousel #5 new game track feature #6 team entrances.

But this aside, I wonder if the game play 'graphics' as in 'banners' etc feel old? is this a reason people feel it isn't 'new' enough? perhaps that there are some cut scenes that were reused, and some feels to the score graphics that make it feel the same? I am not sure. but something to consider non the less.

# 104 Bumble14 @ 07/03/11 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by khaliib


	I don't know if you've had the chance to visit/read about some of the fixes we've found editing player ratings up or down. We have actual fixes/improvements for many of the Gameplay issues that many gamers are complaining about. Even video's are provided as proof in some threads to show that these are not fly-by thoughts being thrown around. I guess when Ben stated that the reason we couldn't/they would provide a Recruit/Player Editor to improve the game was because of how some "Online Cheaters" would use/abuse it, that just felt like a "Shank" in the back to alot of gamers that spent hours/days to find such fixes to cover the Dev's back by improving the game. If you get a chance, visit one of the threads by Playmaker or GotMadSkillz and see what we've found and are discussing. Maybe having a writer like yourself do a write-up about what we've found might capture the Dev's attention and help the cause. If they would simply give us the Editing ability, we would take this game to the next level.

Spoke with Ben a few weeks back and he let me know they are looking into providing a patch for NCAA12 that will allow for complete player rating editing in dynasty. Not a guarantee that we will see it, but it sounded very,very promising.

Contrary to popular belief the devs ARE listening. In fact, Ben was the one who brought the topic of a ratings editor up to me at E3 before I could even mention it. They are pretty passionate about the games they make, just like we are.

# 105 dan_457 @ 07/03/11 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bumble14


	Spoke with Ben a few weeks back and he let me know they are looking into providing a patch for NCAA12 that will allow for complete player rating editing in dynasty. Not a guarantee that we will see it, but it sounded very,very promising. Contrary to popular belief the devs ARE listening. They are pretty passionate about the games they make, just like we are.

Now you're going to get everyone's hopes up, haha.

# 106 khaliib @ 07/03/11 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bumble14


	Spoke with Ben a few weeks back and he let me know they are looking into providing a patch for NCAA12 that will allow for complete player rating editing in dynasty. Not a guarantee that we will see it, but it sounded very,very promising. Contrary to popular belief the devs ARE listening. In fact, Ben was the one who brought the topic of a ratings editor up to me at E3 before I could even mention it. They are pretty passionate about the games they make, just like we are.

Well since I don't drink alcohol, if he does, I'll send him a pack of my favorite kool-aid (tropical punch).
I don't even share this with my wife and kid, so it's a pretty big deal.

I really hope he changes his mind on this one.
Such access will take this game to another level.

# 107 NDFan1029 @ 07/03/11 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bigsmallwood


	I disagree with the writers....its not that "It's people like this that frustrate me the most"......are not knowledgeable of gameplay...they are just calling it like it is. NCAA is SEVERELY underachieving. I do not want to hear next year...or next gen. And most certainly do not compare anything in the EA series to NBA 2K11 or NFL 2K5...they are not in the same realm. NCAA 11 was the best college football game this gen because it has no competition...AP2K8 wipes the floor with it. NCAA 12 DOES feel like 11.5 because the commentary is a decade old, most of the intros this year were in last years game...RTG has virtually NO improvements and the Franchise Mode is the same. So no it is not that we are "never happy"...we just happen to know what real football plays like. When you play NBA 2K11...you can't just play it like a "game" on simulation mode...you must play NBA Basketball...in NCAA Football, there is little strategy involved. Teams don't utilize their strengths and take advantage of superior match-ups. Yes I am glad EA got rid of suction blocking...so far as I can tell in the DEMO, but there are a TON of other gameplay elements missing and I'm tired of reading articles such as this one, dismissing the fact that EA has done next to nothing over the course of this gen. This article is most certainly written in a biased tone and is out to push an agenda.....mmmmm....the thought of that @OS.....smh. #EverybodyhasanOpinion

I agree with you somewhat. I would've thought given that this game has been out for 6 years on the current gen of consoles, that things like a physics-based tackling or all of the FCS schools would've been added in by now. I can understand the game being barebones for its first or second iteration on this current gen, but there should've been many more improvements made before NCAA 11 came out. NCAA 7-10 is a long time to go before any major additions were made.

EA will never admit it, but I feel like this game runs on a staggered development cycle. One year they put in a million new features, and the next year they only have marginal improvements. I bet you NCAA 13 has as many new features and improvements as 11 did.

# 108 PaperBoyx703 @ 07/04/11 07:13 AM

Excellent voices of reason

# 109 dkrause1971 @ 07/04/11 09:22 AM

What i didn't like about the article was comments like "get real", "some people are never happy" and crap like that. I feel articles can be written without snide remarks being added to belittle the people who may dare think the opposite of you.

While i agree with the premise of the article that the demo didn't feel like a NCAA 11.5. I disagree with what i feel was a secondary premise that 2011 was a great game. A football game where the zone defense didn't work, the QBs didn't run, and where many of the stats were jacked right off the bat isn't a great game to me. I won't begrudge anyone who loved it and i also won't belittle anyone who disagrees with me over it.

For those that state- some people can never be happy. Does this comfort you? I wasn't happy with NCAA 11 but i loved playing Demon's Souls this winter, or uncharted 2, or MLB the show and many other games. Just because someone doesn't post happy thoughts on this board about this one game doesn't mean they are a picky a-hole who lives to point out issues. They just are not happy with that particular game/series and since we only have EA football games to represented the most popular sport in the United States, i can relate to that frustration.

I personally come to this forum less and less. I remember when topics were actually discussed here and not just some polarizing game of haters and defenders. I sure hope that changes.

# 110 rudyjuly2 @ 07/04/11 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dkrause1971


	What i didn't like about the article was comments like "get real", "some people are never happy" and crap like that. I feel articles can be written without snide remarks being added to belittle the people who may dare think the opposite of you. While i agree with the premise of the article that the demo didn't feel like a NCAA 11.5. I disagree with what i feel was a secondary premise that 2011 was a great game. A football game where the zone defense didn't work, the QBs didn't run, and where many of the stats were jacked right off the bat isn't a great game to me. I won't begrudge anyone who loved it and i also won't belittle anyone who disagrees with me over it. For those that state- some people can never be happy. Does this comfort you? I wasn't happy with NCAA 11 but i loved playing Demon's Souls this winter, or uncharted 2, or MLB the show and many other games. Just because someone doesn't post happy thoughts on this board about this one game doesn't mean they are a picky a-hole who lives to point out issues. They just are not happy with that particular game/series and since we only have EA football games to represented the most popular sport in the United States, i can relate to that frustration. I personally come to this forum less and less. I remember when topics were actually discussed here and not just some polarizing game of haters and defenders. I sure hope that changes.

Totally agree.

# 111 TheTodd84 @ 07/04/11 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dkrause1971


	What i didn't like about the article was comments like "get real", "some people are never happy" and crap like that. I feel articles can be written without snide remarks being added to belittle the people who may dare think the opposite of you. While i agree with the premise of the article that the demo didn't feel like a NCAA 11.5. I disagree with what i feel was a secondary premise that 2011 was a great game. A football game where the zone defense didn't work, the QBs didn't run, and where many of the stats were jacked right off the bat isn't a great game to me. I won't begrudge anyone who loved it and i also won't belittle anyone who disagrees with me over it. For those that state- some people can never be happy. Does this comfort you? I wasn't happy with NCAA 11 but i loved playing Demon's Souls this winter, or uncharted 2, or MLB the show and many other games. Just because someone doesn't post happy thoughts on this board about this one game doesn't mean they are a picky a-hole who lives to point out issues. They just are not happy with that particular game/series and since we only have EA football games to represented the most popular sport in the United States, i can relate to that frustration. I personally come to this forum less and less. I remember when topics were actually discussed here and not just some polarizing game of haters and defenders. I sure hope that changes.

This is what I meant. I did not mean to target you, specifically, Chase, nor was I trying to belittle anyone. And If I did do either of those things, then I am truly sorry. I am just overwhelmed with frustration because this game is ripe with potential, but never seems to live up to it.

I am not here to try and compare NCAA 12 to APF2k8, or NFL 2k5 or anything. Those are tired arguments that have been beaten to a pulp.

I do completely agree about the NBA 2k11 sentiment. It is similar with MLB 11: The Show. Where you must utilize teams strengths and weaknesses to win. There is little strategy in NCAA. Like I have mentioned previously about the demo w/ Oregon, the ducks should be a NIGHTMARE to play against. Darron Thomas and LaMichael James should be running zone reads down my throat and option runs until I stop them. I should not be able to run a base cover 3 and have my defensive linemen shoot into the backfield to shut them down. Unless I am playing as a bigger, stronger defensive line, like Auburn had in the national title game last year, that held the Ducks to a season-low 75 yds rushing, LaMichael and Darron should account for a MINIMUM of 150 yds rushing.

This is where I think this franchise needs a dose of real-time physics. While other games may be able to get away w/ canned animations and the user still be able to utilize the team's strengths and weaknesses, this series can no longer go that route. I should notice a HUGE difference when Oregon goes up against New Mexico versus Texas. There is no real, discernible difference in the game, other than sometimes the Texas defensive linemen are programmed to beat the Oregon offensive linemen more often to stop me. That is just what is incredibly frustrating. In order for me to stop Oregon offensively, I should have to have bigger, stronger defensive linemen than Auburn did to penetrate and disrupt their mis-direction.

I am not going to bore you with all the details that need to be fixed, but recruiting needs to MEAN something. If I take over Eastern Michigan, and focus my recruiting on the Defensive line to get bigger and stronger, I should be better at stopping the run, not just because of higher ratings, so they are programmed to "win" the trench battle more often, but because size and weight actually matter. My 75 rated defensive tackle who is 6'4, 321 (just a random example) should give MAC offenses fits and they should have to gameplan to stop him. Whereas, if I go up against a big-10 defense, he can be easily shut down w/ double team blocks against Wisconsin, but he should still cause some gameplanning.

It is just little football nuances which make the game infinitely more realistic and play like football that can be improved forever and will get rid of a lot of complaints with physics and not programmed responses and canned animations. That is where this game is so frustrating sometimes.

Again, if I singled anyone out, or was offensive to anyone, I do really apologize, especially you, Chase. I just feel like sometimes you give these guys too much credit. But it's ok. That's how you feel.

# 112 ACardAttack @ 07/06/11 10:32 AM

This was the biggest waste of an article...they all answered exactly how you would expect them to answer

# 113 extremeskins04 @ 07/06/11 11:03 AM

I think what people are upset about is the fact that almost every other sports game today is blowing by EA's football games.

NBA2k, FIFA and NHL (EA Canada), and SCEA's MLB The Show.

These guys above are lightyears ahead of EA Madden and EA NCAA in almost every single possible way a sports game can be developed. Graphics, presentation, gameplay, features, animations, etc.

When NBA2k11 released it was like a gold mine and argueably one of the best sports games ever created. The FIFA games the past few years have been truely amazing. NHL is stepping up now and making it better. Let's not even discuss The Show. There's just no comparison.

This is what the problem is. I'm not downgrading NCAA 12, but after playing the demo it did feel like I was playing NCAA 11. I know there's some new features, but the gameplay felt the same to me. I'll wait until the release of the game but by then I would have had already spent my $60 and can't get that back.

If I go strictly by the demo and what the demo offers me to make my game purchase I would not buy the game. Just my opinion.

# 114 BeaverBeliever97267 @ 07/07/11 02:28 PM

NCAA 11 best one of this generation...yes. 12 is huge improvement...no. Better game than 11...yes. Me excited...definitely!!!

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