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Fact or Fiction: NCAA Football 12 Outlook

12:57 PM - July 1, 2011 by ChaseB

Serving as the moderator for this edition of Fact or Fiction, I wanted to ask some questions that echoed some of the sentiments I had been reading on the site in regards to the NCAA Football 12 demo.

Dustin Toms and Christian McLeod were the two participants this time around, and they had the opportunity to answer those questions.

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# 61 Skyboxer @ 07/01/11 07:30 PM

I think we're a long ways off(if ever) before we get AI that plays video game football like a human.
I just think if people are waiting for that level of intelligence (high or low

) you'll be waiting a long time.

# 62 statum71 @ 07/01/11 07:37 PM

Christian and Dustin......

BOTH of you guys told it just like it is!!!!!! I agree with every single word in this article.

And yes.....those in the impressions thread agreeing with Jayson are more than likely the type of gamers who will NEVER be pleased. Period!

# 63 statum71 @ 07/01/11 07:39 PM

I felt the difference on the very first tackle of the opening kickoff.

# 64 statum71 @ 07/01/11 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by khaliib


	As I stated things here at OS has changed from how it was several years ago. Not that there was a sinister motive by these writers in particular, but there seems to be a sinister attitude towards those that have a view that might not be as positive about the game. (Just read some of the replies) When the writer starts off by saying "It's people like this..." because the veiw was different, kind of seems like the whole purpose of the write-up was to say those that don't see the game on the same manner, simply are lacking something to have such a view. (I wouldn't or did not say Stupid) I wouldn't say that a Gamers can't have an opinion, but I've watched how none-positive notations about EA games have been met with sinister replies that seem to be given more leeway in expression. In a nutshell, I replied because I wondered if those that agreed with Jayson's write-up (not as positve), if such a person would be given the same leeway to do a Fact or Fiction write-up to counter such gloating perspectives that the writers present? Would it be Deleted? Would they be warned or Banned? I could care less one way or another and take no side, it's a video game. I've got likes and dislikes, but still will buy and find a way to enjoy it. This is the Best Gaming Forum in my opinion and I just don't want it to lose it's balance.

I don't want OS to loose its balance either. I think we contribute a lot to the development of sports games in a positive way.

But I'm with Dustin and Christian on this. Yes, it has some flaws (every game does). But to even fix your mouth to say its the same game is just ridiculous.

Like I said....I noticed from the opening kickoff.

# 65 Steel City 3 @ 07/01/11 08:20 PM

deffinetly the best post i've ever read... i especially agree wit Christian's respose to Jayson... **** read

# 66 blkrptnt819 @ 07/01/11 08:24 PM

Somebody called me a EA fanboy. I had to laugh. I already have my laundry list of complaints ready for the wishlist forum. But the improvements in gameplay are noticable. I just don't want them to rest on their laurels so I let them know things I feel are missing. But to call this game an example of EA putting the same product out to get our money is a bit of a downplay of the effort put into this game.

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# 67 khaliib @ 07/01/11 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by statum71


	But to even fix your mouth to say its the same game is just ridiculous.

I wouldn't go that far.

There are so many perspectives of what looks/plays right and what's changed, there really isn't a right or wrong dealing with the game.
We're talking Millions of different perspectives.

We wouldn't be having many of these discussions if the game was more customizable.

Options, options, options.

I feel that's why so many agreed with Jayson's write-up, because there are no options or have very limited options that allow them to fix what they feel is wrong about their game.

Example:
No Recruit Editor eventhough every year, gamers run to the Forums looking for Slider/Re-Rated Rosters to help improve an aspect of Gameplay they don't like.

Again, so many perspectives, but limited options for Gamers to adjust to their own perspective, is what's driving much of the

around here.

Life will go on though!!!

# 68 Watson @ 07/01/11 08:29 PM

wait, positive impressions?

Steve, it's time to fire these clowns. That's not what we do here at OS. Your boys are stepping out of line.

# 69 sparkdawg777 @ 07/01/11 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by statum71


	Christian and Dustin...... BOTH of you guys told it just like it is!!!!!! I agree with every single word in this article. And yes.....those in the impressions thread agreeing with Jayson are more than likely the type of gamers who will NEVER be pleased. Period!

Ok, I agree there are some people who do complain and expect more. But THIS is not a problem to me. Now it can get annoying from some people who complain about things that they have no clue about but for the others that do and just want the best football game possible, I see no problem with the critisism as long as they are acknowledging the good as well. The problem we have is NCAA and Madden are monopolies, they have no competition and the only thing they have to push them are our opinions/money, now I am not talking about the devs here, I think they are really starting to listen to the hardcore fans now, who are the minority. You can not "settle" that this is the best they could have done or they will only give you the same effort each time. They need to get better every year, I think some people are just soft or don't understand the importance of different opinions. But to categorize "It's people like this..." kind of pisses me off, although I'm sure there was no intention of offending anyone but its more that I'm pissed off of the idea that we've become a fanbase that has to be positive even when there are still plenty of negatives.

Its just like if you are a coach and your receiver makes a great catch but didn't run the route properly. You praise the receiver for the catch but you also have to get on him about running the route correctly or he'll do it wrong again.

That's my perspective.

Now I will still enjoy NCAA 12 and express how much I am enjoying it once I get the game, but at the same time I will point out the negatives as well.

# 70 statum71 @ 07/01/11 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sparkdawg777


	Ok, I agree there are some people who do complain and expect more. But THIS is not a problem to me. Now it can get annoying from some people who complain about things that they have no clue about but for the others that do and just want the best football game possible, I see no problem with the critisism as long as they are acknowledging the good as well. The problem we have is NCAA and Madden are monopolies, they have no competition and the only thing they have to push them are our opinions/money, now I am not talking about the devs here, I think they are really starting to listen to the hardcore fans now, who are the minority. You can not "settle" that this is the best they could have done or they will only give you the same effort each time. They need to get better every year, I think some people are just soft or don't understand the importance of different opinions. But to categorize "It's people like this..." kind of pisses me off, although I'm sure there was no intention of offending anyone but its more that I'm pissed off of the idea that we've become a fanbase that has to be positive even when there are still plenty of negatives. Its just like if you are a coach and your receiver makes a great catch but didn't run the route properly. You praise the receiver for the catch but you also have to get on him about running the route correctly or he'll do it wrong again. That's my perspective. Now I will still enjoy NCAA 12 and express how much I am enjoying it once I get the game, but at the same time I will point out the negatives as well.

I can agree with the example.

But if the receiver WAS running a bad route AND dropping the ball before........I can appreciate that he did do SOMETHING better. Though he still could be better.

To say he's doing the same thing he always does just wouldn't be fact.

# 71 sparkdawg777 @ 07/01/11 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by statum71


	I can agree with the example. But if the receiver WAS running a bad route AND dropping the ball before........I can appreciate that he did do SOMETHING better. Though he still could be better. To say he's doing the same thing he always does just wouldn't be fact.

I'm not trying to focus too much on the example I gave because obviously NCAA gets better each year. I'm just saying it is ok to praise something and point out the negatives at the same time. That's the main point of the example.

If you want to stick to the example, EA is the only receiver we have so if he's still doing something wrong we have to point it out, i.e. CPU TO A.I., no huddle too fast, etc. Fact is if it were not for the people who criticised the zone coverage being awful who knows if it would have been fixed. The CPU spread running game is still bad, there are still flaws along with the good.

# 72 TreyIM2 @ 07/01/11 09:52 PM

Without reading all of this - If one is to compare what NCAA 12, even 11, has done to NBA2K is WORK ON GAMELPLAY. I've said it several times about 2K going hard on icing and doing next to squat about the cake. They bank on the psychology that MANY, perhaps TOO MANY, of us are VISUAL BEINGS more than anything else. Think about how that comes to play with women and cars....

Yes, EA can do more with presentation but all that means nothing to me if gameplay isn't there and/or improves and this is why my 2K11 has caught early dust where as NCAA 11 survived MUCH longer with me.

# 73 BenGerman @ 07/01/11 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Eski33


	What other games, there has only been one. I would love to see multiple commentary teams but let's be realistic. Brad Nessler and Kirk Herbstreit arent doing this for free. Throw inone or two more commentary teams and there is additional cost.

Both FIFA and NCAA Basketball have used more than one broadcast team. That would be two games.

I don't know if you read my other post, but I think a lot of people would be willing to pay for some DLC that allowed us to download another broadcast team like FIFA did. Maybe like $3. And I am being realistic. They have said this is something they are looking into. I don't see what the big deal is that I'm asking that EA do something with their commentary situation?

I haven't trashed NCAA 12 at all, and I love everything they have done with the game. I loved the Demo and I'll be the first in line to pick the game up. But it is clear at this point that they need to take a new direction with the commentary. Whether it be Dynamic Commentary or multiple broadcast teams.

# 74 sparkdawg777 @ 07/01/11 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BenGerman


	Both FIFA and NCAA Basketball have used more than one broadcast team. That would be two games. I don't know if you read my other post, but I think a lot of people would be willing to pay for some DLC that allowed us to download another broadcast team like FIFA did. Maybe like $3. And I am being realistic. They have said this is something they are looking into. I don't see what the big deal is that I'm asking that EA do something with their commentary situation? I haven't trashed NCAA 12 at all, and I love everything they have done with the game. I loved the Demo and I'll be the first in line to pick the game up. But it is clear at this point that they need to take a new direction with the commentary. Whether it be Dynamic Commentary or multiple broadcast teams.

You mean for this year or next year? I would definately put down $3 for new commentary.

# 75 BenGerman @ 07/01/11 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sparkdawg777


	You mean for this year or next year? I would definately put down $3 for new commentary.

The Madden team I believe said they were looking into it (could have been NCAA) for next year. They said its something that is very difficult to get together, but I don't doubt that its something they could do in the next couple of years, if not next.

# 76 canes21 @ 07/01/11 11:50 PM

So adding on to presentation is no longer considered adding to presentation. Oh OS...

# 77 khaliib @ 07/02/11 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CRMosier_LM


	I got my retail version in the mail today...downloaded the 1st tuner set and WOW! This game blows NCAA 11 to unrecognizable bits and pieces. Someone call a C.S.I. because NCAA 11 just got murdered!

I wish we knew what the 1st Tuner Set consisted of.
Would go a long way in helping the community to move on.

# 78 RUFFNREADY @ 07/02/11 12:53 AM

What i dont get is; why would EA send out a Demo that is an older build of a game; than the demo that they showed off at E3 this year? Dont they always want to put their best foot forward, and sell lots of games? Is this good business practice?
cheers, from a concerned gamer.

# 79 canes21 @ 07/02/11 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MattP598


	If watching a team run out of tunnel gets you going more power to you.

It's not like I sit there and jump up and down while I watch the pregame stuff, but I definitely never skip anything. If the game loaded and went simply to the kickoff, or coin toss, then I'd be pretty upset. Myself and others enjoy watching teams run on to the field. Even in NCAA 11 when it was the same camera angles over and over, I never skipped an entrance in my dynasties.

# 80 He1nousOne1 @ 07/02/11 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RUFFNREADY


	What i dont get is; why would EA send out a Demo that is an older build of a game; than the demo that they showed off at E3 this year? Dont they always want to put their best foot forward, and sell lots of games? Is this good business practice? cheers, from a concerned gamer.

Well, Nike paid for that Demo to come out. That means that business arrangement may have happened at a point in time when the game was in the state that we saw it in the Demo. Instead of updating the Demo in real time as they were updating the main game they just kept it as it was when the arrangement was made.

Nike gets their uniforms shown off in a special demo and the final build is kept out of the hands of every single consumer until the 12th.

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