05:53 AM - September 28, 2010 by Steve_OS
The EA Sports MMA demo is now available for the 360. Download it now or queue it up right here.
Please download it and post your impressions here.
UPDATE: It is now available for PS3 users.
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EA Sports MMA News Post
05:53 AM - September 28, 2010 by Steve_OSThe EA Sports MMA demo is now available for the 360. Download it now or queue it up right here.
Please download it and post your impressions here.
UPDATE: It is now available for PS3 users.
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Bronk_Bonin @ 09/29/10 09:15 PM
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I was just about to post something similar to this.
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ManiacMatt1782 @ 09/29/10 09:21 PM
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Honestly, this is a very fun game, but undisputed does a lot of things better than ea sports mma. After the playing demo, It's kinda clear that undisputed is the more deep, well rounded and polished game. The good thing is that because i'm a big mma fan, i can still enjoy this game for the things it does right. I'll definetly get this when it comes out.
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1) Give me a reason why you doubt it?
2) Are u gonna sit there and honestly say that UFC has better graphics than this game?
3) Have you tried user vs user gameplay yet?
4) I agree that the CPU is too easy to beat once you get the mount....but how do you know it will still be like this in the retail version?
I expect answers please.
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ManiacMatt1782 @ 09/29/10 09:34 PM
and many of the guys you are arguing with are guys that trashed madden. noone disputes that the demo has some ai deficiencies, but many of us feel when it comes to head to head it will be a different story. the ai doesnt parry well in the demo, one of the main reasons it is easy to sprwl and bumrush them. if they parry, you lose stamina and cant bumrush, so against a human that strategy wont work unless you are playing an idiot who refuses to adapt. everything in this game has a defense, and looks to be one of the most balance games out there.
We need to keep the discussion on the demo and Biizz you need to stop instigating things by making ridiculous comments. Now you are saying the graphics are Gamecube. Let it go. If you don't like the game, fine. Finding various ways to say it gets annoying and just poisons the conversation.
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I have pre-ordered MMA and can't wait to play. The graphics are very nice and I actually have a sense of what I am trying to accomplish during a match
Rod
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Tonight I worked on my combos while standing. i used Miller because he has the spinning back punch. I got in some nice 3 hit combos with the jab leading. The only thing I need to work on is quickly sprawling because the CPU will attempt the takedown while I'm setting up punches.
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Mossfan8480 @ 09/29/10 11:10 PM
The newer builds might have a better way of handling takedowns.
If you watch this video from Gamespot, you'll see at the 26:08 mark, Scott Smith stops a takedown by Frank Shamrock and merely shoves him away. One might say that's because Scott Smith doesn't have the special move to knee an opponent out of the takedown... But if you go to the 26:27 mark in the video, you will see Frank Shamrock shoot for a takedown and Scott Smith defend against it with a knee that sends Shamrock crashing to the mat.
One of my biggest problems with the demo is the tedium and repetitiveness of constantly ending up in the sprawl position because your opponent shoots over and over for a takedown. If what we are seeing in this video is indicative of the final build, then this game just got a lot better.
If you watch this video from Gamespot, you'll see at the 26:08 mark, Scott Smith stops a takedown by Frank Shamrock and merely shoves him away. One might say that's because Scott Smith doesn't have the special move to knee an opponent out of the takedown... But if you go to the 26:27 mark in the video, you will see Frank Shamrock shoot for a takedown and Scott Smith defend against it with a knee that sends Shamrock crashing to the mat.
One of my biggest problems with the demo is the tedium and repetitiveness of constantly ending up in the sprawl position because your opponent shoots over and over for a takedown. If what we are seeing in this video is indicative of the final build, then this game just got a lot better.
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Gotmadskillzson @ 09/29/10 11:47 PM
Wow the game in that video appears to be more polished then this July build demo. CPU wasn't looking for the takedown and was actually swaying and standing up in that Scott Smith & Frank Shamrock fight.
That was cool to see. Players didn't appear to move as fast either like it does in the demo.
That was cool to see. Players didn't appear to move as fast either like it does in the demo.
Lets get back to the impressions, and stop the back and forth personal attacks. Make your points/counter-points, and move on.
Leave other games out of this. This is the MMA forum. There is no reason to be talking about Madden. This is the EA MMA demo impressions thread, Madden, or any other EA game should not even figure into this.
Leave other games out of this. This is the MMA forum. There is no reason to be talking about Madden. This is the EA MMA demo impressions thread, Madden, or any other EA game should not even figure into this.
The A.I. in this game is poor.
Playing all fights on legend, and still winning 85% of the time, all by TKO/KO.
It's far too easy to land strikes, just keep punching and the CPU backs away(and blocks) but I keep connecting because my fighter just auto-step/slides in to punch the opponent. And this isn't good especially since I'm consistently beating Overeem with Lasley's "dominant" striking. Mount is also easy to attain and then win from, the CPU just lays there and takes punches until knocked out.
Anim8or stated that this game would be a simulation(or) a simulator, I think he may have been a little disingenuous, I typically have an 80% connection percentage(or higher) while using Lashley on Legend.
This game is very simplistic, in Undisputed you can choose exactly how you want to transition and where your punches land while on the ground, which isn't the case for EA MMA, though to be fair Undisputed isn't that good either.
Also their's quite a few bugs which I expect will have been ironed out before production.
With that being said perhaps the game will be fun with friends, though I do expect online to turn cheesy.
A couple positives: Submissions are done pretty well, this is the only part of the game that is challenging for me, well the chokes anyways.
Graphics, one thing that EA does well is graphics and they're outstanding in this game.
EA MMA reminds me alot of another EA game, Def Jam Icon, graphics looked great but the game was severely lacking in depth.
Memo to EA: gamers aren't totally idiotic, they can enjoy a game with some complexity and even some difficulty. Stop making games for the lowest common denominator.
Or at least have an option within the game, Arcade or Simulation, Supersmash Bros or MMA game.\jk
Questions for a dev:
side note: lets see if I get any accusations of having an agenda, to hate EA or something or another.
Playing all fights on legend, and still winning 85% of the time, all by TKO/KO.
It's far too easy to land strikes, just keep punching and the CPU backs away(and blocks) but I keep connecting because my fighter just auto-step/slides in to punch the opponent. And this isn't good especially since I'm consistently beating Overeem with Lasley's "dominant" striking. Mount is also easy to attain and then win from, the CPU just lays there and takes punches until knocked out.
Anim8or stated that this game would be a simulation(or) a simulator, I think he may have been a little disingenuous, I typically have an 80% connection percentage(or higher) while using Lashley on Legend.
This game is very simplistic, in Undisputed you can choose exactly how you want to transition and where your punches land while on the ground, which isn't the case for EA MMA, though to be fair Undisputed isn't that good either.
Also their's quite a few bugs which I expect will have been ironed out before production.
With that being said perhaps the game will be fun with friends, though I do expect online to turn cheesy.
A couple positives: Submissions are done pretty well, this is the only part of the game that is challenging for me, well the chokes anyways.
Graphics, one thing that EA does well is graphics and they're outstanding in this game.
EA MMA reminds me alot of another EA game, Def Jam Icon, graphics looked great but the game was severely lacking in depth.
Memo to EA: gamers aren't totally idiotic, they can enjoy a game with some complexity and even some difficulty. Stop making games for the lowest common denominator.
Or at least have an option within the game, Arcade or Simulation, Supersmash Bros or MMA game.\jk
Questions for a dev:
- I know the game won't magically become realistic at retail, though will the A.I. be any smarter, or challenging?
- Asked this question over a week ago(no response), will there be any sliders?
side note: lets see if I get any accusations of having an agenda, to hate EA or something or another.
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ManiacMatt1782 @ 09/30/10 05:45 AM
i think the biggest problem is ai, as of right now they dont strike to set up the takedown, you can just sit on the takedown thats attempted from way out of range. i said before the tools in this game give you a chance to do or defend everything. h2h looks like its gonna be great, and so far the only thing that looks exploitable is your opponents predictability.
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SgtDillznick @ 09/30/10 08:28 AM
The one thing that kind of had me perturbed with the demo was the takedown defense. It seemed to me that they needed to add a fourth outcome to the whole takedown equation. There needed to be that stalemate, where you could defend a takedown and shove the offender off of you. It shouldn't always go into a sprawl and brawl situation.
It should be like this:
Press "B" to defend.
Bad timing/no timing = defender gets taken down.
Good timing = stalemate, defender blocks take down, back to standing.
Better timing = sprawl and brawl.
Perfect timing = Big ol' knee to the face.
And obviously, the fighters takedown defense would vary the certain timing windows on the button press.
Look ma, I'm a video game designer!
Played another 10 or so fights last night. I HONESTLY don't see all the issues you are stating are there biizz. I went in LOOKING for the issues which is something I don't like to do to begin with. But I wanted to see if I could identify what you are saying.
I will run through my thought process while viewing the action.
All fights were on Legend difficulty
My first fight I used Jake Shields vs Miller. I wanted to see how a good ground fighter would fair against a jack of all trades and a excellent choke specialist(Miller choke rating is a 99).
We come out, miller throws a few punches and shoots for the take down. I stuff the take down and quickly throw a high head kick landing flush which stumbles Miller backwards. I charge in and land a 3 punch combo. Jab, straight, hook. Miller then looks to shoot again. I stuff the take down again.
Striking = Looks good to me. It is quick and does what you want to do when you do the correct motion (I use TPC). Striking looks fine to me
I then want to put Miller on his back and do some GnP. I clinch Miller and we get tied up in a battle for position in the clinch. I then land a successful judo throw on Miller and land in half guard. I start landing some knee and strikes to the head at a decent pace but not looking at burning myself out in case the fight goes 4 more rounds.
I notice Miller has a cut over his left eye where the head kick landed. So I start peppering the area with short punches. I was happy at staying in half guard but decided to try and pass to side control. After 3 or 4 unsuccessful attempts and Miller doing a good job defending the pass. I go for a major pass to full mount. Miller then reverses me and he ends up in my half guard.
He starts landing his own ground and pound and I am parrying his strikes looking to wear him down so I can get off the ground. Round 1 ends.
Ground and Pound = Strikes need a little work on the ground. They seem to stop the moment they touch the face. Instead of having the look of the hand driving through the punch some. So the punches then look weak and somewhat unnatural. But I find the damage done by the GnP to be good and balanced.
Round 2 starts and I did not wait. I went straight for the double leg and take Miller down. I then choose to posture up and start raining down heavy blows from Millers full guard. Blood now is all over one side of Millers face, down his shoulder and some on his torso(Blood is done so well).
I then fully posture up and stand up in Millers guard. He is managing to parry a few strikes but still has taking good damage. He then manages to kick me off.
Round 2 is more of the same with a little striking and battling going both ways on the ground.
Skip ahead to round 4. Both of us are getting tired. We are standing toe to toe and Miller is no longer going for the take down. He is looking to strike and keeps chasing me throwing combos. I eat a few shots and manage to deflect a few by blocking. He then works me where my back is against the cage. Thinking he was going to clinch me against the cage I am looking for the defend. But Miller just stands at strike range and starts unloading. I eat some heavy blows and I see my head meter appear and it is really low. I am about to eat the cavas.
I then go into slip mode. I slip 2 of his punches and throw a hook. It lands clean on Millers jaw as he was in the middle of a punch. This completely stuns him. He starts back peddling with his hands up. I rush in and start just unloading. Landing a great combo. Putting Miller to the mat and finishing him on the ground for the TKO.
It was a exciting fight and feature all aspects of the game. Everything from ground game, reversals, throws, clinch work, super man punch, spinning back fist, back and forth striking, etc etc.
Shields(me) wins TKO Rd 4
I then go on to lose 4 in a row to Miller on the ground and 1 standing(20 secs into fight). 3 submissions by Miller by choke, 1 by GnP, and 1 by TKO.
So I won, 1 out of 5. Should of been a little more than that but I think Legend needs some tweaking in the submission AI area. The CPU is AMAZING at submissions on legend.
Submissions = CPU on legend is insane good. Little color wheel just stays blue with the CPU staying in the zone basically at will. So it is incredible tough to prevent the sub on legend. As far as the submissions them selves. I LOVE the submission system.
Presentation = Presentation needs some work. It is a bit dry without commentary. The punch sounds are kinda of funky
Graphics = Saying this game looks like a N64 or a Gamecube game is a agenda. The graphics are amazing. They have a little cartoon look to them, but that is a 3d model & texture area of how the players were built and rendered. The look to me looks fantastic.
Compared to Gamecube and N64
Legends of wrestling Gamecube
N64 WCO vs NWO wrestling
EA MMA Demo is a excellent representation of MMA in my opinion. It is far from perfect and I don't walk around with blinders on. I am not fan boy of any genre, developer, or game. I am a honest gamer who wants to enjoy gaming.
EA MMA is FUN as hell and makes a complicated sport easy enough for noobs to the sport and still offers the intricate details for the hardcores for a first time effort.
Will we see EA MMA get better through out the next iterations???? Well of course. The potential for the franchise is through the roof.
EA MMA Demo score = 8
I will run through my thought process while viewing the action.
All fights were on Legend difficulty
My first fight I used Jake Shields vs Miller. I wanted to see how a good ground fighter would fair against a jack of all trades and a excellent choke specialist(Miller choke rating is a 99).
We come out, miller throws a few punches and shoots for the take down. I stuff the take down and quickly throw a high head kick landing flush which stumbles Miller backwards. I charge in and land a 3 punch combo. Jab, straight, hook. Miller then looks to shoot again. I stuff the take down again.
Striking = Looks good to me. It is quick and does what you want to do when you do the correct motion (I use TPC). Striking looks fine to me
I then want to put Miller on his back and do some GnP. I clinch Miller and we get tied up in a battle for position in the clinch. I then land a successful judo throw on Miller and land in half guard. I start landing some knee and strikes to the head at a decent pace but not looking at burning myself out in case the fight goes 4 more rounds.
I notice Miller has a cut over his left eye where the head kick landed. So I start peppering the area with short punches. I was happy at staying in half guard but decided to try and pass to side control. After 3 or 4 unsuccessful attempts and Miller doing a good job defending the pass. I go for a major pass to full mount. Miller then reverses me and he ends up in my half guard.
He starts landing his own ground and pound and I am parrying his strikes looking to wear him down so I can get off the ground. Round 1 ends.
Ground and Pound = Strikes need a little work on the ground. They seem to stop the moment they touch the face. Instead of having the look of the hand driving through the punch some. So the punches then look weak and somewhat unnatural. But I find the damage done by the GnP to be good and balanced.
Round 2 starts and I did not wait. I went straight for the double leg and take Miller down. I then choose to posture up and start raining down heavy blows from Millers full guard. Blood now is all over one side of Millers face, down his shoulder and some on his torso(Blood is done so well).
I then fully posture up and stand up in Millers guard. He is managing to parry a few strikes but still has taking good damage. He then manages to kick me off.
Round 2 is more of the same with a little striking and battling going both ways on the ground.
Skip ahead to round 4. Both of us are getting tired. We are standing toe to toe and Miller is no longer going for the take down. He is looking to strike and keeps chasing me throwing combos. I eat a few shots and manage to deflect a few by blocking. He then works me where my back is against the cage. Thinking he was going to clinch me against the cage I am looking for the defend. But Miller just stands at strike range and starts unloading. I eat some heavy blows and I see my head meter appear and it is really low. I am about to eat the cavas.
I then go into slip mode. I slip 2 of his punches and throw a hook. It lands clean on Millers jaw as he was in the middle of a punch. This completely stuns him. He starts back peddling with his hands up. I rush in and start just unloading. Landing a great combo. Putting Miller to the mat and finishing him on the ground for the TKO.
It was a exciting fight and feature all aspects of the game. Everything from ground game, reversals, throws, clinch work, super man punch, spinning back fist, back and forth striking, etc etc.
Shields(me) wins TKO Rd 4
I then go on to lose 4 in a row to Miller on the ground and 1 standing(20 secs into fight). 3 submissions by Miller by choke, 1 by GnP, and 1 by TKO.
So I won, 1 out of 5. Should of been a little more than that but I think Legend needs some tweaking in the submission AI area. The CPU is AMAZING at submissions on legend.
Submissions = CPU on legend is insane good. Little color wheel just stays blue with the CPU staying in the zone basically at will. So it is incredible tough to prevent the sub on legend. As far as the submissions them selves. I LOVE the submission system.
Presentation = Presentation needs some work. It is a bit dry without commentary. The punch sounds are kinda of funky
Graphics = Saying this game looks like a N64 or a Gamecube game is a agenda. The graphics are amazing. They have a little cartoon look to them, but that is a 3d model & texture area of how the players were built and rendered. The look to me looks fantastic.
Compared to Gamecube and N64
Legends of wrestling Gamecube
N64 WCO vs NWO wrestling
EA MMA Demo is a excellent representation of MMA in my opinion. It is far from perfect and I don't walk around with blinders on. I am not fan boy of any genre, developer, or game. I am a honest gamer who wants to enjoy gaming.
EA MMA is FUN as hell and makes a complicated sport easy enough for noobs to the sport and still offers the intricate details for the hardcores for a first time effort.
Will we see EA MMA get better through out the next iterations???? Well of course. The potential for the franchise is through the roof.
EA MMA Demo score = 8
I know many have commented on the hitting scheme and how it feels unresponsive, but after playing for a good bit last night, I think it's right on target with what they were trying to accomplish with this game. The over all theme is that you should not panic and go into throwing punch after punch or franticly trying to mount or reverse. At first I found myself hitting the stick multiple times and only seeing two punches. Jabs work faster but there's a slight delay in consecutive punches. So I started throwing combinations. Stomach kick, right hook and then head kick. It looks great to me. It's forcing me to think about what I'm going to do, rather than continuously hitting the button to land shots.
Now, the CPU has a defense problem. This makes it extremely easy to land punches. I understand that. I'm hoping this is tied to the demo and not the retail version. I'm not going to abuse it but in the back of my head I know I can jab away with no defense on the CPU end. I'm aware of that.
Right now I think the game is going to be very competitive online. I know for some that's not good enough. It isn't for me either. I had plans for the offline part of this game, but again, the retail version may differ. If you play this game enough though, I think it is obvious the online is going to be a heck of a challenge.
Now, the CPU has a defense problem. This makes it extremely easy to land punches. I understand that. I'm hoping this is tied to the demo and not the retail version. I'm not going to abuse it but in the back of my head I know I can jab away with no defense on the CPU end. I'm aware of that.
Right now I think the game is going to be very competitive online. I know for some that's not good enough. It isn't for me either. I had plans for the offline part of this game, but again, the retail version may differ. If you play this game enough though, I think it is obvious the online is going to be a heck of a challenge.
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