EA Sports MMA Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360, PS3)

Well you convinced me that it would help the GnP and it did. We werent thinking about what it did to reversals at the time tho. Thats when it became an issue. I agree I cant believe they never even acknowledged it.

Well we both agree it did help the GnP. It helped with the punch......pause....punch....pause. But even the auto transition block is not the issue. I like the auto-transition block to a degree. It is the reversal window is WAYY to large and the lack of ratings mattering for ground advances/defends that is the big issues.

The 3 transition rule I never liked. I always though it should be ratings based. But it was also something highly discussed so everyone pretty much figured it would HAVE to be looked into no differently than the auto takedowns.

Well depends in what area. The ground game is way to easy IMO. I was getting submitted a lot, but thats from not quite understanding the mini games more than anything else. Maybe a few times were they trying to wear me to go for the sub, but overall just pressing B to block sub and transition attempts is just to effective.

Well I think thats the point. If you do something on the sticks they want YOU to know you either achieved or failed. That it was no random dice roll. So this is where User vs User games are going to be so huge. Again not concerned about the AI, but I still find them tough.


Very good point. I agree as well. I just have nothing else to comment on except for the AI. Thats why I am dying for a user vs user chess match. I do have a really good feeling the game will deliver with that.

Yea I think the game is built for online. Reason why I am sooooo happy. I am truly in heaven with this MMA game. I am a huge MMA fan and UFC 09 fixed that craving, UFC 10 ruined it, and EA MMA is doing it better than both. So naturally if it is better than 09, then I will enjoy it extremely

General:

-Takedowns don't have much risk to them. (Even if you get sprawled position, those small punches don't do any damage. Also takedowns don't drain [much] stamina. So even if you counter a takedown (sprawl), you can't really punish them. And if someone spams takedowns, they aren't punished/penalized (Little to no stamina loss). There should be a bigger punishment for failing takedowns.)

-Window to deny is too big. (I sprawl all double leg takedowns + deny/reverse all transition attempts. It's too easy to maintain dominant positions because I'll deny whenever they try to transition).

-Failed deny drains way too little stamina. (The amount of stamina used for when you wrongly time 'Deny' is way too little. If you press deny when the opponent isn't transitioning/going for a takedown, you should lose a noticeable amount of stamina. There's no punishment for wrongly guessing a transition with a 'Deny.' You barely lose any stamina. )

-Vibration between GnP and Takedown/Transitions is different. (Strike to pass/Pass to strike doesn't work too well because the vibration feels different. I can deny/reverse every single transition for AI's because the vibration is different and the window time to deny is too big. )


Stand up:

-Classic controls seem counter-intuitive for kicks (I'd rather have X/O = Body kick, L2 + X/O = Leg kick)

-Possible head movement spam. (You can slip left/right/back/forward so fast that you're near invulnerable to strikes. Also it doesn't drain any stamina. I think if you do more than 1 head movement in a row, you lose stamina exponentially. For example, 1 slip = no stamina loss, 2 slips in a row = slight loss, 3 slips in a row = noticeable stamina loss, 4 in a row = significant stamina loss, etc.)

-Possible strike freezes. (Hard to have striking exchanges as most strikes end up stunning the other fighter.)


Cage/Ropes:

-Clinch body uppercut exploit. (If you clinch and drag an opponent to the cage, you can throw body shots until the other guy reaches 0 stamina/torso health. You lose no stamina doing this and you can just deny all his transitions and keep him pinned. This is another possible exploit that would be fixed if clinches were very easy to escape after one or two strikes.)


Clinch:

-Thai Clinch seems too hard to get out (Too easy to maintain Muay Thai clinch. Whenever they attempt a transition, 'Deny' it. They can't mix in strikes with transitions in defensive Thai Clinch because you'll eat some nasty knees/takedown while striking and striking in the defensive Thai Clinch poses no threat.)

-Clinch takedowns are too hard to defend (Window to defend the takedown is way less than double leg takedowns which makes no sense because takedown attempts in the clinch is less subtle than a double leg. You're also worried about those dangerous knees so you have to worry about knees that does tons of damage and those takedowns with very small deny window)

-Thai Clinch is too overpowered (Reasons listed above. Also look at most of the thai clinch in MMA fights, they either get 0 knees or 1-2 knees to the body. If they aim for the head to a competent opponent, they usually land one knee before the other guy escapes. Thai clinch isn't something you can [usually] maintain in real life and especially in the game for balance issues. It should be very hard to land 2 knees in it and near impossible to land 3.)


Ground:

-GnP is too powerful in the mount. (Blocking isn't a viable strategy [You'll get KO'd in seconds]. Blocking + transitioning isn't a viable strategy because they'll just 'Deny' every transition attempt. Throwing strikes from bottom is asking for a KO. Parrying/Catching punches is the most viable way to get out but if you fail 2 parry attempts, you're KO'd.)

-GnP is too weak in non postured positions (Especially sprawled out position. Even if you land like 30 GnP, it does nothing. GnPing is basically the same as doing nothing. I can understand for positions such as open guard [down] and side mount, but positions such as sprawled out position should do some damage (not a lot but enough to pose some threat).

-It's too easy to maintain a dominant position. (The denial window is too large so you can just maintain your dominant position easily. For example, I can sprawl Lashley's takedown and maintain the sprawled position for as long as I want. The denial window needs to be shortened and the strikes' initial animation should be similar to the initial animations of the transition.)


PRESENTATION:

A.I.
-Possibly too good at choking submissions on Legendary.

-Spams takedowns too much (Wouldn't be bad if takedowns were punishable. I sprawl every single takedown and that doesn't help me win the fight at all.. Refer to the takedown point in "General" section for Gameplay)


General:
-A tutorial mode (Preferably like UFC 2010's rather than a completely interactive one. It should be broken down into different aspects of fighting and contain advanced level of play such as parrying, head movement and catching strikes.)