07:23 PM - September 27, 2010 by RaychelSnr
Peter Moore just confirmed NBA Elite 11's delay on his blog:
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NBA Elite 11 News Post
07:23 PM - September 27, 2010 by RaychelSnrPeter Moore just confirmed NBA Elite 11's delay on his blog:
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The biggest question is how long is this delay. If it's in March like it's being speculated that gives them a lot of time too add or removes things not just tweak. But I guess at this point we all have to wait for the details.
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jlbrown143 @ 09/28/10 01:37 PM
ReAnimator & Stepsix
Okay I have read through basically all of the pages and this is my summize...at this point the damage is done and there is no escaping the hard fact that this year reiteration of Live (Elite) was a major dissappointment at least to the majority....because of that you have heard a resounding response from us your passionate gamers that this presentation of your product is not acceptable in the state that it is in...
Going forward there are some realities that you have to consider as it relates to the future of your game..
1 Animations are not good what so ever how ever you have been implementing them needs to be scrapped and redone, compared to the competition your animation seems dated and robotic.. we want life like , natural and game contexted animations.
2 Control scheme needs to make sense to the gamer as well as the developer, I like your shooting logic it makes sense to have us imitate realistic shooting animation with the stick as an extention of our hands, bending of joints is a nobrainer, gather is important and momentum is crucial and realistic, blocking needs tweeked alittle still, RTP didn't feel physical enough and the response of the player models came across as generic, we want skills based controls but not at the point of sacrificing realism in the player moments..if that makes sense
3 Presentation is not bad but could be better, I wish you guys would look at incorp TNT & ESPN & ABC sports in comparison with what you were doing with the ncaa 10 college game, that would be nice, crowd reaction and music are good but could be deeper, I don't know I guess for me I feel like if you're going to have those things in the game like refs and cheerleaders and things like that, why not go all out to make them look as realistic as possible, enough of the zombie looking chararcter models can we get some detailed models even 2k could do more in this department.....camera angles are not the best either
4 Plays are not that far off but could use a major overhaul also, especially after what we have seen from 2k this year, haltime shows, post game shows, allstar games, dunk contest, summer league, training drill (bring those back they help us learn the controls quicker) all those thing are a part of the NBA ..I would like those things to be apart of your game....
now what I have mentioned is just some of the things that I would like to see happen for your product, I just can't accept that you say this is real simulation gaming if you leave so much of the simulation out of the game, things like hard fouls , kickball, illegal screens, pulling on jerseys, real injuries, real hair physics, in game adjustments to what the opponent is doing like if a player is beating you real bad or a certain play coaches adjusting to the situation and doing something different to combat the problem....maybe I'm off but things like that will add REALISM as I have stated before, you guys have the money, the information and I guess the personel to get these things done...so as you go forward interacting with the community make sure you have people involved with the game itself as references foremost, they play the game professionally, get some coaches involved they make the plays, get real techs that know how to make the game come alive on the screen, 2k used people from TNT to help improve their presentation and that is making their game look incredible this year.....now maybe you guys are doing some of these things I have suggested maybe not,
bottom line.......if you build it the fans we come back and the money will poor in and the numbers will go up....it's the product quality that controls the bottom line....step up your game EA..!
Okay I have read through basically all of the pages and this is my summize...at this point the damage is done and there is no escaping the hard fact that this year reiteration of Live (Elite) was a major dissappointment at least to the majority....because of that you have heard a resounding response from us your passionate gamers that this presentation of your product is not acceptable in the state that it is in...
Going forward there are some realities that you have to consider as it relates to the future of your game..
1 Animations are not good what so ever how ever you have been implementing them needs to be scrapped and redone, compared to the competition your animation seems dated and robotic.. we want life like , natural and game contexted animations.
2 Control scheme needs to make sense to the gamer as well as the developer, I like your shooting logic it makes sense to have us imitate realistic shooting animation with the stick as an extention of our hands, bending of joints is a nobrainer, gather is important and momentum is crucial and realistic, blocking needs tweeked alittle still, RTP didn't feel physical enough and the response of the player models came across as generic, we want skills based controls but not at the point of sacrificing realism in the player moments..if that makes sense
3 Presentation is not bad but could be better, I wish you guys would look at incorp TNT & ESPN & ABC sports in comparison with what you were doing with the ncaa 10 college game, that would be nice, crowd reaction and music are good but could be deeper, I don't know I guess for me I feel like if you're going to have those things in the game like refs and cheerleaders and things like that, why not go all out to make them look as realistic as possible, enough of the zombie looking chararcter models can we get some detailed models even 2k could do more in this department.....camera angles are not the best either
4 Plays are not that far off but could use a major overhaul also, especially after what we have seen from 2k this year, haltime shows, post game shows, allstar games, dunk contest, summer league, training drill (bring those back they help us learn the controls quicker) all those thing are a part of the NBA ..I would like those things to be apart of your game....
now what I have mentioned is just some of the things that I would like to see happen for your product, I just can't accept that you say this is real simulation gaming if you leave so much of the simulation out of the game, things like hard fouls , kickball, illegal screens, pulling on jerseys, real injuries, real hair physics, in game adjustments to what the opponent is doing like if a player is beating you real bad or a certain play coaches adjusting to the situation and doing something different to combat the problem....maybe I'm off but things like that will add REALISM as I have stated before, you guys have the money, the information and I guess the personel to get these things done...so as you go forward interacting with the community make sure you have people involved with the game itself as references foremost, they play the game professionally, get some coaches involved they make the plays, get real techs that know how to make the game come alive on the screen, 2k used people from TNT to help improve their presentation and that is making their game look incredible this year.....now maybe you guys are doing some of these things I have suggested maybe not,
bottom line.......if you build it the fans we come back and the money will poor in and the numbers will go up....it's the product quality that controls the bottom line....step up your game EA..!
You have to speculate whether NBA Elite 11 will ever be released at all...
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Jamesmaster @ 09/28/10 01:43 PM
Weird that they waited until a couple of days before the release of the game. It's clear that they didn't expect the reactions to be that negative, but that might say a lot about EA.
Hopefully they'll scrap the game and take their time to come up with good animations and a game that reflects NBA basketball.
Hopefully they'll scrap the game and take their time to come up with good animations and a game that reflects NBA basketball.
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jonesha2000 @ 09/28/10 02:01 PM
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HiTEqMETHOD @ 09/28/10 02:36 PM
Wow, EA has actually done something right in terms of not trying to rip gamers off. For all my negative views on EA as a developer and company, I can honestly say they've gained some respect from me by deciding to delay Elite. I wish they were this considerate about other things as well though.
I wonder if this had anything to do with them giving away NBA Jam as a part of the package? Maybe they changed their minds (in part) because they wanted to totally seperate Elite from Jam.
Nowhere in the blog did he mention that it'll be delayed until 2011. It may well come out in November or December.
I'm sorry but call it whatever you wasn't but the last nba live title I enjoyed was the one with melo in the cover... IMO live stunk after that & after playing the demo for what they attempted to call elite they didn't change much..the demo is terrible & i sill think it's still going to be garbage..what I didn't understand in a comment made by mr.moore about nba 2k11 in an article I read was him bashing 2k for using a retired player to endorse their product as a bad idea for business... But didn't you use 2 required fighters when you promoted fight night round 4?.... (Tyson & Ali) sons to me more like he knew that 2k had more than the upper hand with this years edition.... I don't care about nba jam when it comes to basketball sims just give me a true sports game that I can enjoy and honestly ea hasn't given me that since carmelo was their cover athlete.
OT but where do what site do yall go on to see the sales of video games, in particular live and 2k games
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rEAnimator @ 09/28/10 05:20 PM
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http://www.vgchartz.com/
I hope this delay lets them add some more sig animations as well as the fine tuning and what not.
One request....
Sig post moves, It just feels wrong doing the same turn around shot with Kobe and every other big man.
One request....
Sig post moves, It just feels wrong doing the same turn around shot with Kobe and every other big man.
Big Props to EA not to let out a bad product. But that EA Canada for you. If its not right , they'll get it right. I just wonder was there a Big meeting with Moore saying the boat needs to be righted for all games not just elite, Sales could be better with a better product. seeing this i would be shocked now if madden 12 or ncaa would have RTP
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you know if mods are saying the game is trash, IT IS!
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striker3771 @ 09/28/10 06:33 PM
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Even with a few more months or however much time they're getting, I don't know if this development team really knows what people want out of basketball games. They seemed to think that everyone would enjoy the demo but that didn't happen and they were pretty set on a lot of the things that people here didn't like seeing.
I know one thing, the bulleye is squarely on EA back. Especially if they decide against releasing 11. Having 2 years to release a game leaves you Absolutely NO excuses. And if you release a subpar game after so much time of development time, EA Basketball will Not recover from it. Good luck with your goal. With that being said, i just don't see Peter Moore letting a two years go bye without a NBA Live/Elite title.
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