07:23 PM - September 27, 2010 by RaychelSnr
Peter Moore just confirmed NBA Elite 11's delay on his blog:
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NBA Elite 11 News Post
07:23 PM - September 27, 2010 by RaychelSnrPeter Moore just confirmed NBA Elite 11's delay on his blog:
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# 401
HOLLIDAY1183 @ 09/28/10 02:58 AM
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Well, I'm now quoting your post here Da Throne, because my point in asking "Why isn't Littman here to defend his "vision" for a basketball game?" is more in the vein of what you're citing here, something like the decision to not have players actually bending their knees to jump. Maybe I should've asked that instead in my post.
Like you, I prefer the latter. Because if they just don't know basketball, that's an even scarier thought, and we'll NEVER get anything close to an NBA simulation from them. If they know, but are just "turning a blind eye" then that's the lesser of two bad scenarios.
Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES EVER.... EVER..... EVER..... should a player jump literally two to three feet into the air, WITHOUT bending his knees. Doesn't matter what the goal/implementation is, this simply cannot happen. You've got to respect what the human body is capable of.
Literally for days man, for days, I kept asking myself how anyone who loves this sport & wants to recreate it, can think about that and come up with the "design decision" that it's okay in a bball game. That, and another one that is still confusing me, is the decision to remove turbo, again from a basketball game. An NBA game.
You're claiming "Real"-time physics (keyword "real"), while picking and choosing when to actually respect real life physics. Colliding in the paint? Real physics. Jumping in the air on a dime? Not so much. Under this "vision" this will never look like real NBA ball.
And this is why--for the guy who quoted me--I was asking why Littman wasn't here, instead of the devs (who pretty much have to program the game based on what their producer/publisher's final decision is), defending this game all this time.
# 402
welcome2jungle @ 09/28/10 02:58 AM
u have a great point ^ when andrew bynum dunkin from free throw line its casual all day.. if thats the case bring the cheerleaders on the court during halftime,all star game weekend, having the players signing endorsement deal, let flagrant fouls happen, let technical fouls happen.. their is things they can add if its a casual game situation, add injuries,have fans boo ex players who change teams like when lebron plays the cavs in the heat jersey.. i mean its 2010 we should already have these things in the game already
after reading the whole thread, just throwing some random thoughts out more or less..
end babbling.
- I feel your pain Live fans.. although I'm not a huge BBall video game player, I live for NCAA Football. I can not imagine if it were cancelled for a year, but if it was for the betterment of the series - good. At least there is an alternative tho in 2K.. I feel like this is the right step to really make the series "NEW". An extra year (which I hope is what's happening) to fix/improve what they have - that could make for something great.
- I really enjoyed Live 10, and am disappointed this had to be cancelled. From what I have seen though, Elite was not ready & would have been crushed by what 2K11 has put together. I was on the fence, but after comparing the features/vids/etc.... 2K was going to get the buy this year. I wish the EA team well with what appears to be a new dev cycle for a release in 2011 (Elite 12?)
- I'm still incredibly pumped for NBA Jam... not all was lost here. I think the revamped Jam is going to be an instant classic and could soften the blow (slightly) for Live fans.
- Its crazy that this title was pulled a WEEK before release. I have never seen anything like this with a sports game. I don't want to go too far, but I sense a bit of Karma from NFL 2K/Madden history in this.
- Also, with no (and obvious loss) of revenue from this years title... what happens to salaries of devs, budgets for the next title, resources, etc... This could become a slippery slope as well.
end babbling.
# 404
welcome2jungle @ 09/28/10 03:01 AM
add video replay to the end of quarters and make sure right call was made.. its alot missing from these games even from 2k game if u ask me.. we didnt get no ncaa basketball either this year from EA.. but we got ncaa football.. EA trying to send a message they dont care about basketball games or sumtin..
What I don't get about all of this is that if they're updating Live 10 with DNA updates and rosters, is it really too much to ask of them to fix NCAA's freezing issue? I mean really....
You do know you can edit your posts instead of posting back to back or in one case, back to back to back, right? Just thought I'd let you know.
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I personally hope they decide to just scrap Elite 11 and release it next year. Maybe get a slight jump on the competition in 2011 with an extremely polished bug free NBA Elite 12 would be the way to go.
I don't know if that is possible from a financial standpoint but it would give more power to them trying to recreated a truly "elite" product rather than putting out a rushed subpar product.
Just my .02.....
I don't know if that is possible from a financial standpoint but it would give more power to them trying to recreated a truly "elite" product rather than putting out a rushed subpar product.
Just my .02.....
# 407
beemoe9815 @ 09/28/10 03:11 AM
this was a good move by EA! now when i get 2k11 i want to get a used copy of LIVE10
# 408
welcome2jungle @ 09/28/10 03:15 AM
someone should release Lakers vs heat game.. or a game with top 8 or top 16 nba teams.. maybe if Ea made a game with less teams it be easier for them to focus on that greatplay
# 409
JohnDoe8865 @ 09/28/10 03:22 AM
See I'm thinking that EA is going to be alright on the revenue front on PS3/360 this year, b/c they do have the new NBA Jam in their back pocket.
I believe it will retail for something around $39.99 or $49.99 and they will sell a fair amount of copies, especially around the holidays. Probably as many or more copies than Elite 11 would have sold. What I'll be interested to see is if the "boss battles" and other Wii exclusives will make their way into NBA Jam on the next-gen consoles. If they plan on charging more than $20, I think they almost have to give PS3/360 owners a comparable game in terms of features.
I believe it will retail for something around $39.99 or $49.99 and they will sell a fair amount of copies, especially around the holidays. Probably as many or more copies than Elite 11 would have sold. What I'll be interested to see is if the "boss battles" and other Wii exclusives will make their way into NBA Jam on the next-gen consoles. If they plan on charging more than $20, I think they almost have to give PS3/360 owners a comparable game in terms of features.
# 410
welcome2jungle @ 09/28/10 03:26 AM
another thing this is the biggest nba season coming out this year prolly ever.. Nba season been so hyped up this year ratings for these games gonna be out the roof.. This was wrong year to cancel a video game.. Especially with all that free agency hype during the summer.. All these teams trying to get the lakers title away from them.. Nba might just surpass football as a bigger sport if this year goes as plan for NBA... I been watching nba all my life and i have to say this year have me craving too watch NBA..
I feel the Elite/Live team should decide not to release the game for the 2011 season,go back to the EA sports studio and improve the animations,graphics,glitches,and gameplay,then 8 or 9 months from now come back at E3 2011 with a totally revamped game that they will blow the doors of the basketball gaming community.Allow most of us to feel confident in purchasing a basketball game from EA.
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# 413
JohnDoe8865 @ 09/28/10 03:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by da ThRONe
Like I said earlier either they are lying(covering up for a bad product) or they have no idea what a good basketball game is supposed to be. There is no middle ground.
Ouch! You don't think that's a little harsh?
I think the first part is a bit of a stretch, but I seriously believe the devs think this is a good game. That is, by far, the most troubling part of all of this. I, like many others, think Live '10 was a very good solid foundation that could've challenged 2k THIS year for sales if the developers let the game progress. I am not going to sit here and bash the crew of EA, but I know reAnimator and stepsix have a job to do, and if they don't do that job successfully, they will not hold that position much longer. So, they are going to do what they can to get the community to buy in to what they are selling. I don't fault them for that, but I do place the blame on whoever is in charge on delivering the final product. The only solutution to keep this series going, with credibility, would be to blow gamers away next year, not this. I am a 32 year old single father, hell 33 come Tuesday, with 2 young kids and in the military, so I am as casual as they get. I think I stand for all casual (fun) gamers saying, Live (Elite) is the worst ever. Take the time and come back next year EA. We will love you more for trying to earn our respect, than earn our dollars.
Originally Posted by da ThRONe
Like I said earlier either they are lying(covering up for a bad product) or they have no idea what a good basketball game is supposed to be. There is no middle ground.
Ouch! You don't think that's a little harsh?
I think the first part is a bit of a stretch, but I seriously believe the devs think this is a good game. That is, by far, the most troubling part of all of this. I, like many others, think Live '10 was a very good solid foundation that could've challenged 2k THIS year for sales if the developers let the game progress. I am not going to sit here and bash the crew of EA, but I know reAnimator and stepsix have a job to do, and if they don't do that job successfully, they will not hold that position much longer. So, they are going to do what they can to get the community to buy in to what they are selling. I don't fault them for that, but I do place the blame on whoever is in charge on delivering the final product. The only solutution to keep this series going, with credibility, would be to blow gamers away next year, not this. I am a 32 year old single father, hell 33 come Tuesday, with 2 young kids and in the military, so I am as casual as they get. I think I stand for all casual (fun) gamers saying, Live (Elite) is the worst ever. Take the time and come back next year EA. We will love you more for trying to earn our respect, than earn our dollars.
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I mean even people who were huge fans of the original don't even know about the new version coming out.. Perfect example: my best friend lives for Jam on the old nintendo whenever we get together, and he had no idea Jam was coming out until I told him a couple weeks ago. Commercials are needed asap.
# 417
VUUAASSHHH! @ 09/28/10 03:55 AM
Delaying it or not, EA is just delaying the inevitable. See, MJ is on the cover and in the game for 2K11. Even if 2K11 playability/AI/Graphics suk`d , bball gamers would buy it because of MJ.
Seriously, from past experiences I don`t expect EA to release a decent Elite11, it is just a market strategy to reduce damages and losses. On the other hand, now that NBA JAM is coming out in solo, I`m sure I`m gonna get it (and I look forward to seeing MJ and Pippen @ Bulls
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Seriously, from past experiences I don`t expect EA to release a decent Elite11, it is just a market strategy to reduce damages and losses. On the other hand, now that NBA JAM is coming out in solo, I`m sure I`m gonna get it (and I look forward to seeing MJ and Pippen @ Bulls
)
# 418
JohnDoe8865 @ 09/28/10 04:07 AM
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# 419
Behindshadows @ 09/28/10 04:43 AM
Wow!!! Gamestop has March 2011, that's too dang far away!!! I was thinking January at the latest!
Why not just cancel it all together and work on Elite 12, and NCAA Basketball 12. A 2 year cycle will assure a much more polished product. Because think about it, were going to buy 11 almost on April 1st, and then Elite 12 in October 2011. That's 6 months apart. Why not just work and complete 12.
Overall, I think you guys can do so much better, and Live 10 proved you have the capabilities. Either way I can't wait to see the improvements as times moves closer to release.
Why not just cancel it all together and work on Elite 12, and NCAA Basketball 12. A 2 year cycle will assure a much more polished product. Because think about it, were going to buy 11 almost on April 1st, and then Elite 12 in October 2011. That's 6 months apart. Why not just work and complete 12.
Overall, I think you guys can do so much better, and Live 10 proved you have the capabilities. Either way I can't wait to see the improvements as times moves closer to release.
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