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01:56 PM - August 6, 2010 by UnusualMattyBFor those of you that can't view the videos from OS, check out and subscribe to the Youtube channel.
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Ok i have 2 problems with the dunk on vid.... 1st: Man for that dunk to be soooo nice.... not 1 player on the laker bench showed any excitement.. Now everyone can say thats not in the game yet but ron ron was hype so why not the bench.... 2nd: Why in the hell was paul jumpin 5 feet away from ron ron and paul was jumping in the wrong direction. Not happy at all with these videos... Nba 2k11 will once again be best the game this year.... And the block shot hittin the backboard 2k had that last year
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Live_4real @ 08/07/10 05:08 PM
Despite all the great things I saw I will be critical, because that is what we should be, constructive criticism...
I would say that even if Artest can do that (which I think he can), he would propably not do it in real life. People mentioned Joe Johnson, I will mention Luis Scola, he can dunk, but he doesn´t dunk, even on fast breaks, this is where in my opinion video games still are a long shot of the reality, the Dunk/layup relationship are not that accurate and not close to the real deal
This would only happen 1 or 2 times in his entire career, meaning it should be very very improbable to happen, and in video games I see guys doing nasty dunks in almost every game if I wanted to, when In real life they would probably adjust the shot and make a safe layup, or just miss the dunk because they did not have enough air under them
For me it is not that big of a problem, but when you go for the signature stuff next year, you have to be more accurate in the player rantings, because if we see Artest with the variety of moves he does in real life, but we see him doing this dunk in traffic, every game, it would not feel as real as it could
That Sheed contact was not enough to impact Artest, because he was late, so when they impacted in the Air, Artest was higher and had the momentum on his side, so sheed got burned, and that is probably what we want to see from this engine, the ability to go hard to the hoop, but depending on the player we have, and the one who goes for the block, and depending also on timing, we will have different ending results wich adds deep and more realistic gaming experience.
But for this experience to be close to perfection, all the ratings, and all the numbers that will determine the end result have to be looked in detail, and this is why, (probably) we saw Artest flying out of the building on that play
rEAnimator take it as a next year observation, this year it is not a problem, it is not too unrealistic and it is probably easy to adjust his ability to dunk or to get up in the air, because that guy was flying like LBJ, everything else, great work.
PeAcE
I would say that even if Artest can do that (which I think he can), he would propably not do it in real life. People mentioned Joe Johnson, I will mention Luis Scola, he can dunk, but he doesn´t dunk, even on fast breaks, this is where in my opinion video games still are a long shot of the reality, the Dunk/layup relationship are not that accurate and not close to the real deal
This would only happen 1 or 2 times in his entire career, meaning it should be very very improbable to happen, and in video games I see guys doing nasty dunks in almost every game if I wanted to, when In real life they would probably adjust the shot and make a safe layup, or just miss the dunk because they did not have enough air under them
For me it is not that big of a problem, but when you go for the signature stuff next year, you have to be more accurate in the player rantings, because if we see Artest with the variety of moves he does in real life, but we see him doing this dunk in traffic, every game, it would not feel as real as it could
That Sheed contact was not enough to impact Artest, because he was late, so when they impacted in the Air, Artest was higher and had the momentum on his side, so sheed got burned, and that is probably what we want to see from this engine, the ability to go hard to the hoop, but depending on the player we have, and the one who goes for the block, and depending also on timing, we will have different ending results wich adds deep and more realistic gaming experience.
But for this experience to be close to perfection, all the ratings, and all the numbers that will determine the end result have to be looked in detail, and this is why, (probably) we saw Artest flying out of the building on that play
rEAnimator take it as a next year observation, this year it is not a problem, it is not too unrealistic and it is probably easy to adjust his ability to dunk or to get up in the air, because that guy was flying like LBJ, everything else, great work.
PeAcE
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rEAnimator @ 08/07/10 05:20 PM
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I just implemented the ratings work for dunk collisions and what determines if you're forced into an adjust after contact is made.
We're now using a combination of various ratings including the dunk rating, weight, strength, momentum of the player and difference in hip height at the time of contact.
I just recorded another video for you guys demonstrating the difference the attributes make.
Assuming the video is approved for release (which I'm confident it will be) it should be released on Monday.
We can discuss further then if there are still concerns.
rEAnimator
Any chance you could help the Madden-team with collision detection?
They NEED it!
Thanks for the info.
Any chance you could help the Madden-team with collision detection?
They NEED it!
Thanks for the info.
Someone mentioned the hype mode is in full affect. I agree and I'm not hating. I own just about every Live title since "Live 95". Every year they hype the game and that's fine. I'm sure hype alone accounts for half their sales. But let's face it, more times than not, Live has been a disappointment on next generation consoles and I'm not saying its been bad, just that its been a letdown (IMO). Like others who watched the videos, I'm seeing the sliding, the unrealistic dunk, the lack of difficulty Artest has putting that dunk down on a contest like that...and so on.
Over the past few weeks I've read posts where the developers are asking for our trust and ensuring us that this or that will be fixed by release, every time there is a criticism. All I'm saying is I hope this is true and their word is kept. Don't repeat promises of years past, because every year the mantra seems to be "it'll be fixed next year". I'm looking forward to the demo, but my anticipation factor is nowhere near what it has been in years past. I've dealt with to many years of letdowns with this title and this year it will not be a day 1 purchase for me, however it could become a pre played purchase a few weeks after release. Having said that, I am hoping for the best and hoping this is Elites year to shine and all this hype isn't just the usual talk.
Edit: when can we expect the demo?
Over the past few weeks I've read posts where the developers are asking for our trust and ensuring us that this or that will be fixed by release, every time there is a criticism. All I'm saying is I hope this is true and their word is kept. Don't repeat promises of years past, because every year the mantra seems to be "it'll be fixed next year". I'm looking forward to the demo, but my anticipation factor is nowhere near what it has been in years past. I've dealt with to many years of letdowns with this title and this year it will not be a day 1 purchase for me, however it could become a pre played purchase a few weeks after release. Having said that, I am hoping for the best and hoping this is Elites year to shine and all this hype isn't just the usual talk.
Edit: when can we expect the demo?
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rEAnimator @ 08/08/10 03:38 AM
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We've also had to make compromises, but in the end I think we've made the right decisions and the game is turning out to be very, very good.
And for the record, we are not going to fix every problem and none of the devs on here have made that claim.
We are working to improve in every area and the feedback we've received over the many months of hands on play tests by reviewers and community guys alike, along with early video releases and feedback from these forums has helped mold the game into something better than it would have been otherwise. But it will not be perfect so don't go in expecting that.
I am extremely proud of what we've produced, and I genuinely believe people will enjoy playing it more than any other basketball game in the past. But it may not be for everyone, so try the demo and see where you stand.
Hopefully you'll like it as much as I do
Oh, and I don't know the demo date. I'm waiting to find out just like you guys.
I honestly cannot wait until that day.
This forum is going to be a madhouse of activity and I'm looking forward to being a part of it.
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rEAnimator @ 08/08/10 03:44 AM
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When was that announced?
Haha edited that thought I got those dates from a legit site they were just random dates a site decided to add.
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rEAnimator @ 08/08/10 03:49 AM
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I have no idea really.
I'm anxious for it so earlier is fine by me
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rEAnimator @ 08/08/10 03:58 AM
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I don't know if the demo will be cut from the final code or sometime before final.
Regardless though, I'd say that the core gameplay experience will be pretty much the same between the demo and the final release.
Things like the influence of ratings, how easy it is to hit a shot for each difficulty level, some minor bugs...they will likely be tuned right until the very end.
I'm actually hoping we can use data gathered from the demo to help do that final tuning.
But the core will be unchanged for the most part.
So no excuses from me once the demo drops. If you like the demo you'll like the game. If you hate the demo...well hopefully you don't hate the demo
There is always the possibility of a patch, and there may be opportunities to do some meaty changes in the patch, but the fundamental gameplay experience will be the same.
Hopefully that answers your question.
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And if you could talk to the guys releasing the demo about giving us a full game instead of 2 qtrs that would be great haha
Has player authentics and player differentation been put in the game yet? Did the speed of the game change?? Thanks
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rEAnimator @ 08/08/10 04:39 AM
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Some ratings are in, some ratings still have to be added.
As I said in an earlier post, the ratings that influence in air collisions on dunks were added today, and there should be a video released on Monday showing off the results.
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Also did the graphics of the basketball court look more clearer and better and did u guys remove those cheap fouls in the game?? Another problem I had in the video that was posted was that Robin Lopez made a layup without even looking at the basket...was that issue fixed?? Thanks
I am not buying into the hype. If these devs want to show clips dont the show flawed ones. How can the Artest-Wallace clip be a demonstration of real physics when Artest's dunk animation was not affected? The only animation that changed was Wallace as he animated around the actual play. Artest kept plowing forward as if he was never touched. Silly dev doesnt realize that is not true physics and they should go back tot he lab and work on thier collision engine. Artest dunk animation should have adjusted when contacted, and Wallace should not have floated backwards when contacted in the air. There should have been an in air collision, and the player with the most momentum depending on weight on speed of movement should win. Allowing Artest to continue to amimate forward with his dunk is the same garbage that 2K basketball patched last year. Plus, why did the blocked layup look so cheap and scripted. Any ball player knows that you are taught to use the backboard in the instance. It appears he just through it up to the rim to get blocked. Not realistic at all devs.
# 119
Fitnessboy @ 08/08/10 06:17 AM
Hello i like the way the things go so far with Nba elite 11 but i have a question about dunking because you see not so many dunks in nba live 10 its always the same are there going to be a lot more dunks layups in the game reanimator??
Like for instance the dunkpackage alone for dwayne wade of for lebron or kobe things like that and not to get alone the other dunks because it is to repetive in the game.
Thanks
Like for instance the dunkpackage alone for dwayne wade of for lebron or kobe things like that and not to get alone the other dunks because it is to repetive in the game.
Thanks
# 120
Pappy Knuckles @ 08/08/10 07:28 AM
I enjoyed Live more than I did 2K last season. However, it wasn't a game without faults. I'm excited to see what improvements they've made. Good vids.
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