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Madden NFL 11 Video: Strategy Pad Criticisms, Letter to Ian Cummings (GoMadden)

09:12 AM - July 29, 2010 by Steve_OS

GoMadden has just posted this Madden NFL 11 video on strategy pad criticisms.

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	"If there is one thing fans can�t complain about in regards to the strategy pad, it�s that Creative Director Ian Cummings hasn�t been listening. In fact, over the last few days he has communicated with fans and taken messages on Twitter at a rate we would probably be best not to imagine. While a blog detailing the changes is expected to come soon in an attempt to quell knee-jerk concerns, I think there are some fundamental deficiencies to the strategy pad that warrant at least an option for players to revert to the old style."

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# 141 Franchise-Star-21 @ 07/30/10 04:32 AM

Does anyone really think there will be a real push/chance by EA to put in a patch etc. for the old pre snap controls?

# 142 Cubfan @ 07/30/10 06:48 AM

IMO it was done to stop the online cheesers. In the end it has effected those who don't play online.

# 143 K_GUN @ 07/30/10 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by cedwebb


	I am on the Ps3 and I really am liking the strat pad the more and more I play. On the Ps3 it really is not really awkward at all, it just takes learing where things are. I like that you cannot make a ton of adjustments after you are lined up. Never thought that was very realistic anyway. I also feel this will really tie in with the gameplan feature. I think the better you become at gameplanning the less you will feel the need to adjust so much every play.

well said

side note though......how do I 'smart route' a WR route?...can't figure it out

# 144 Skyboxer @ 07/30/10 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by K_GUN


	well said side note though......how do I 'smart route' a WR route?...can't figure it out

Pad > Pad UP > Pick WR > Pick Hot Route

# 145 ABR173rd @ 07/30/10 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Gusto1


	I am very critical of Madden but this year they put the work in under the hood. In fact this year I am in the hunt the buy the game early. Everyone including myself has complained about core issues like the running game and blocking both these issues have been addressed. In terms of franchise additions I think EA made a smart choice to put that off a year to focus on the gameplay. In fact based on the demo I am in the hunt to buy the game early.

I think you are working for EA sports.......Or else you don't use hot routes,or this years demo is the first time you actually played Madden.....When you say these core issues have been addressed who has affirmed this??? Because blocking is okay as per the demo and the same goes with the run game. After playing NCAA for the past 2 weeks and playing the Madden demo aside from graphics Madden seems lacking,on top of the change to the strategy pad????Which new players have to learn how to use the strategy pad now so really the change didn't help anyone....This may be the first year I don't go out and buy Madden on release day.

# 146 K_GUN @ 07/30/10 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyboxer


	Pad > Pad UP > Pick WR > Pick Hot Route

that I got...but what about taking a WR route...say a 5 yard out pattern...but you need 7 for the first down...last year i could click r3 and that would turn that 5 yard out into a 7 yard out

make sense?

# 147 Skyboxer @ 07/30/10 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by K_GUN


	that I got...but what about taking a WR route...say a 5 yard out pattern...but you need 7 for the first down...last year i could click r3 and that would turn that 5 yard out into a 7 yard out make sense?

Oh you mean the Smart Route... Good question. Have no clue if it's still there or not. It may be the RB instead of the R3.

# 148 Skyboxer @ 07/30/10 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AirborneRanger1


	I think you are working for EA sports.......Or else you don't use hot routes,or this years demo is the first time you actually played Madden.....When you say these core issues have been addressed who has affirmed this??? Because blocking is okay as per the demo and the same goes with the run game. After playing NCAA for the past 2 weeks and playing the Madden demo aside from graphics Madden seems lacking,on top of the change to the strategy pad????Which new players have to learn how to use the strategy pad now so really the change didn't help anyone....This may be the first year I don't go out and buy Madden on release day.

To the bolded part, fine don't buy it. Your choice.

Others are entitled to their opinion too and so why try to sway others into your thinking?
He enjoys it and so be it.
S-Pad??? Took me about an hour to be comfortable with it.

# 149 ryan36 @ 07/30/10 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Skyboxer


	Oh you mean the Smart Route... Good question. Have no clue if it's still there or not. It may be the RB instead of the R3.

THAT'S A SMART ROUTE???? Omg, this would've made 10 so much more enjoyable for me, I thought this was in the game- but the instruction manual= not helpful...I shoud've googled it.

# 150 wangtangkiki @ 07/30/10 01:53 PM

Smart Route is still in Madden 11.

# 151 wangtangkiki @ 07/30/10 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by aceoye


	RC happens all the time in real life....Nano-ing, not at all. and why would I want to play against people who abuse the AI, you arent playing a game of football its more like who can abuse the AI the best.

RCing doesn't happen all the time.

I don't get the argument of nanoing not being a real football tactic. People that nano just abuse the AI.

Tell me how the defenses beat the offensive line.
Overloading a certain gap.. AKA Putting two LBs in the A-gap while having two DTs blitzing the Guards.. then having both DEs dropping back to cover..

They also use stunts.. or zone blitzes.. Stunts, you send linemans or linebackers into gaps other than the ones they are in front of.. You'll have a DT and DE switch gaps.. One will go first, then the other loops around him and goes through a certain gap. It's even more complex in a 3-4 system..

Zone Blitz are popular "nanos." People put DTs in QB Spys, then have both tackles covered.. so the DEs are engaged with the LT & RT. Next, you have two OLBs blitzing C-gaps. So you are wondering.. What about the LG/C/RG? Those two DTs in Spys will fake blitz to distract them, then they will drop back in Spys.. The spys are really used as yellow zones. You can't get as good of coverage with yellow zones as you can with spy zones..

You only want to do the spy technique with QBs that stay in the pocket.. or you could just put a slot WR on a slant in, then you roll out and throw to the middle of the field.

I don't buy that we "abuse" the AI. I use a defense that blitzes the A-gap like I described AND I use a defense that blitzes the C-gaps with OLBs.. and guess what!! I used the same formation for both..

# 152 ThaShark28_316 @ 07/30/10 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaShark28_316


	I don't get what was so bad about the single/double tap system EA had for us in the ps2 days. But oh well, this is fight night round 4 all over again. A giant patch made with a different button scheme. I hate to say it, because i love madden (love it this year), but: Gameflow and Strategy pad, two key additions (according to EA) in this year's game = BUST.

I think I overstated this (my post)

I think gameflow works IF I can set up my gameplan, and still use it in the conventional way. If not, it's a bust.

Strat pad might work if we could get some better methods on how to work it. We'll see in the coming weeks. I played the demo yesterday to check the SP out some more...I'm coming around ever so slowly.

I think I'll get this. Today, since I'm not doing jack, I'll set up the gameplan with Indy and run some stuff.

On topic though. It's going to take some getting used to. I think it'll work if we all embrace change and get ready to use it, because IMO, this is their best game of the next gen, and best overall madden since madden 06/07 on ps2.

# 153 aceoye @ 07/30/10 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wangtangkiki


	RCing doesn't happen all the time. I don't get the argument of nanoing not being a real football tactic. People that nano just abuse the AI. Tell me how the defenses beat the offensive line. Overloading a certain gap.. AKA Putting two LBs in the A-gap while having two DTs blitzing the Guards.. then having both DEs dropping back to cover.. They also use stunts.. or zone blitzes.. Stunts, you send linemans or linebackers into gaps other than the ones they are in front of.. You'll have a DT and DE switch gaps.. One will go first, then the other loops around him and goes through a certain gap. It's even more complex in a 3-4 system.. Zone Blitz are popular "nanos." People put DTs in QB Spys, then have both tackles covered.. so the DEs are engaged with the LT & RT. Next, you have two OLBs blitzing C-gaps. So you are wondering.. What about the LG/C/RG? Those two DTs in Spys will fake blitz to distract them, then they will drop back in Spys.. The spys are really used as yellow zones. You can't get as good of coverage with yellow zones as you can with spy zones.. You only want to do the spy technique with QBs that stay in the pocket.. or you could just put a slot WR on a slant in, then you roll out and throw to the middle of the field. I don't buy that we "abuse" the AI. I use a defense that blitzes the A-gap like I described AND I use a defense that blitzes the C-gaps with OLBs.. and guess what!! I used the same formation for both..

Like I said I play online alot and I experience these nano blitzes all the time in madden they are not the football definition of nano its maddens definition and more than likely these blitzes are more than likely 100% effective every play..which is purely unrealistic.If these blitzes were 100% effective in the nfl why arent there any teams to do it? (and im not sayin you said it was)

# 154 kc10785 @ 07/30/10 04:41 PM

First off awesome and intelligent out together video and explanation of the issue at hand

this is my question they say they do this to stop cheesers but 9 times out of 10 the people they look for cheats are noobs or young people that has been introduce to madden a couple of years ago. Everyone says "it's the same logic just different buttons and we will get used to it what's the big fuss". If that statement is true then adding these buttons is not going to stop nano blitzes cuz people will quote unquote learn quick and do the same scheme once we get over the learning curve. So when 4 or 5 months goes by we will have the same thing we been getting the last couple of years.

This is pure laziness at it's best if they say they did this to stop glitches and nano blitzing. You change something to make the process longer and hurt the people that knows football and likes to make multiple adjustments on the fly at the LOS. How bout fixing the engine and the awareness off offensive linemen to see if a man is rushing the A gaps to adjust. I mean i been reading people comments on this website since the demo came and people that are defending the change is not making a good point at all specially the ones that say this is a counter for online gaming. Overall my biggest beef with this is if NCAA team and Madden team bout work under the same company why couldn't they come together and agree upon a pre snap system so they can make the switch back and forth from the two games a easy switch?

# 155 roadman @ 07/30/10 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kc10785


	First off awesome and intelligent out together video and explanation of the issue at hand this is my question they say they do this to stop cheesers but 9 times out of 10 the people they look for cheats are noobs or young people that has been introduce to madden a couple of years ago. Everyone says "it's the same logic just different buttons and we will get used to it what's the big fuss". If that statement is true then adding these buttons is not going to stop nano blitzes cuz people will quote unquote learn quick and do the same scheme once we get over the learning curve. So when 4 or 5 months goes by we will have the same thing we been getting the last couple of years.

I'm confused with your first paragraph.

You say it's just new people that nano, but yet it's allowed in tournaments from what I understand. To me, that is not all "noobs."

Let's wait and see where this blog goes in the next 3-5 days before proclaiming the sky is falling.

# 156 kc10785 @ 07/30/10 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	I'm confused with your first paragraph. You say it's just new people that nano, but yet it's allowed in tournaments from what I understand. To me, that is not all "noobs." Let's wait and see where this blog goes in the next 3-5 days before proclaiming the sky is falling.

what im saying is you don't see most teenagers being in forums saying they want sim style gaming or complaining about nano blitzes it's usually the people that are long time madden heads. Also Lately majority of the tourneys i go to have strict defensive pre snap adjustment moves no cuz of the you tube nano glitches

# 157 wangtangkiki @ 07/30/10 09:14 PM

WOOT.. It's optional. I edited my post.. It was a long rant about what the blog would be about.. I was wrong.

# 158 kehlis @ 07/30/10 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wangtangkiki


	WOOT.. It's optional. I edited my post.. It was a long rant about what the blog would be about.. I was wrong.

It's not optional.

# 159 madcowboy @ 07/30/10 10:57 PM

Question? What happened to the Defensive Hot routes that were brought into madden 05, where you could assign corners and safety's individually? For example (PS2) you could press triangle, then the circle (for the reciever he is covering), then down on the right analog stick. That player would be playing bump and run and you could set your other corner to play off by performing up on the analog stick according to who he is covering. You could also shade the reciever's inside as well as outside. Why in the heck did that go away? Its still too much time to select your defensive backfield player before you can hot route him. I dont understand why EA is not building on technology that was present years ago.

# 160 allen_denning @ 07/30/10 11:30 PM

I really hate the SP cuz I'm handicapped & can't really even hit the d-pad on PS3. Also it makes u have to hit an extra button & for me, my hands move a little slower than yall's.

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