Madden NFL 11 News Post

Old Madden Ratings Site Reborn Under New Management

10:31 PM - July 6, 2010 by Steve_OS

The popular FBG Ratings website of the mid 2000's is up and running again under new management. Over 17000 NFL players are being evaluated and re-rated for the 2010 NFL season. The FBG ratings system will utilize old philosophies for bringing accuracy to Madden NFL game-play while incorporating the NextGen attributes into player ratings.

Because of the many critiques of EA and their ratings over the years, the managers are hearing recommendations for player ratings. This will give the most loyal Madden gaming community at OS the opportunity to give their input into player ratings. Please visit www.fbgratings.com/members to check the site out.

You can PM Dan B. on OS under his handle DCEBB2001.

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# 161 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/10 02:06 PM

All of the Raw attributes (STR, SPD, AGI, ACC, JMP) have been complete for all teams from AZ-NYJ.

# 162 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/10 05:02 PM

I want you guys to check out some of the individual attributes from the Raiders....I always knew that Al Davis drafted for speed but this is unreal...check out the skill positions, LBs, and FBs...wow...

http://www.fbgratings.com/members/vi...p?team=Raiders

# 163 Dog @ 08/04/10 05:07 PM

your doing ratings based off of one season according to a website that doesnt use rate stats? (as in 1 drop for every 100 targets as opposed to 10 drops overall)

# 164 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/10 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jnes12eaglesfan


	your doing ratings based off of one season according to a website that doesnt use rate stats? (as in 1 drop for every 100 targets as opposed to 10 drops overall)

No, I am doing ratings based off of everything that I can find including scouting reports, combine data, stats, and inside stats....it is as comprehensive without conjecture and opinion as I can get it...

# 165 Dog @ 08/04/10 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	No, I am doing ratings based off of everything that I can find including scouting reports, combine data, stats, and inside stats....it is as comprehensive without conjecture and opinion as I can get it...

ah i see. it seemed as though you were going off just 2009 stats of players off of pro football focus. which would be insane ha. but good work on the site i just visited it

# 166 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/10 05:22 PM

Thanks. I am doing your Eagles right now...should be done within 30 minutes.

# 167 Dog @ 08/04/10 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	Thanks. I am doing your Eagles right now...should be done within 30 minutes.

nice man lookin forward to it

# 168 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/10 05:42 PM

Alright, your Eagles are done. Let me know what you think...keep in mind that some of the older player like Vick may be readjusted because of age at the skill position (and sitting in jail). He may wind up closer to AGI, SPD, ACC, JMP equaling 94, 86, 96, 75...but it all depends.

# 169 Dog @ 08/04/10 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	Alright, your Eagles are done. Let me know what you think...keep in mind that some of the older player like Vick may be readjusted because of age at the skill position (and sitting in jail). He may wind up closer to AGI, SPD, ACC, JMP equaling 94, 86, 96, 75...but it all depends.

here are a few i disagree with

trent cole - 87 i think he is a little low. he is a great player. maybe its not high because madden doesnt have a "relentless" rating? he has intangibles and a very high motor

sav rocca - 87 i totally disagree with this. sure he has a great leg, but his accuracy is extremely terrible. there were many times he had 20 yard punts last year, and sometimes it put the whole team in a tough spot

ernie sims - 86 dont know much about this guy. would have to ask a lions fan about him.. although i heard that he fits the eagles system VERY well and has been tearing up at camp.. but it IS only camp (NOT disagreeing, i just really dont know how good he is)

leonard weaver - 83 i think he is a little low. he is extremely versitile, can play fb, rb, and te. has above average speed and running skills for a fullback. i think at least 86 for him

jason avant - 80 i cant say i disagree with it, because i would put him at 82 or 83, but just wanna point out that this dude is the eagles go to guy on 3rd down because of his stellar hands (best on the team) and his ability to go over the middle

brent celek - 79 i disagree with this ALOT. this guy is amazing. i would put him in the top 10 te's in the league. not outstanding speed, but has great hands, and great route running. another thing is this guy is VERY hard to take down 1 on 1. many times last year he would drag one guy for a few yards before 3 or 4 other guys had to come in and take him down 5 yards after contact.. idk if that is implemented with any ratings in madden though

quintin mikell - 78 this guy doesnt make flashy plays or anything but he is VERY solid. i would put him in the low to mid 80's (maybe 83 84 ish?) this dude learned everything from dawkins.. one of the best safety in this era. mikell is very solid

jamaal jackson - 62 i know he just had a torn acl.. but pre injury i would put him at 85 easily. very good center, very smart, great blocker. but we dont know how he will be after injury

but other than that, good stuff. there were quite a few were i thought they were spot on

# 170 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/10 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jnes12eaglesfan


	here are a few i disagree with trent cole - 87 i think he is a little low. he is a great player. maybe its not high because madden doesnt have a "relentless" rating? he has intangibles and a very high motor sav rocca - 87 i totally disagree with this. sure he has a great leg, but his accuracy is extremely terrible. there were many times he had 20 yard punts last year, and sometimes it put the whole team in a tough spot ernie sims - 86 dont know much about this guy. would have to ask a lions fan about him.. although i heard that he fits the eagles system VERY well and has been tearing up at camp.. but it IS only camp (NOT disagreeing, i just really dont know how good he is) leonard weaver - 83 i think he is a little low. he is extremely versitile, can play fb, rb, and te. has above average speed and running skills for a fullback. i think at least 86 for him jason avant - 80 i cant say i disagree with it, because i would put him at 82 or 83, but just wanna point out that this dude is the eagles go to guy on 3rd down because of his stellar hands (best on the team) and his ability to go over the middle brent celek - 79 i disagree with this ALOT. this guy is amazing. i would put him in the top 10 te's in the league. not outstanding speed, but has great hands, and great route running. another thing is this guy is VERY hard to take down 1 on 1. many times last year he would drag one guy for a few yards before 3 or 4 other guys had to come in and take him down 5 yards after contact.. idk if that is implemented with any ratings in madden though quintin mikell - 78 this guy doesnt make flashy plays or anything but he is VERY solid. i would put him in the low to mid 80's (maybe 83 84 ish?) this dude learned everything from dawkins.. one of the best safety in this era. mikell is very solid jamaal jackson - 62 i know he just had a torn acl.. but pre injury i would put him at 85 easily. very good center, very smart, great blocker. but we dont know how he will be after injury but other than that, good stuff. there were quite a few were i thought they were spot on

Another point you will have to remember is that injuries do affect the OVR rating. 90s are to be rare and 80s are to be solid starters that can win you games. Celek has not been a top 10 TE in either of the last 3 seasons according to PFF...the best was last year at 16th. Cole is still on the upswing and Rocca has the tools, but lacks some consistency. Since Madden rates on potential, we can't ignore his leg strength. Sims is rated as he is because of his awesome athleticism, which is part of how Madden rates players. Weaver may be versatile, but that doesn't count for much in Madden since you have to move him around. As a pure FB, where blocking counts too, he is about right where he should be. I am aware of Avant's talents...not the fastest guy, but great hands. NO drops last season I believe. Mikell was great in 08, but he isn't the most athletic, which hurts him.

Once again, if Madden would differentiate between Athleticism and technique/skill then some of these guys would be higher/lower. But since the attributes like SPD, ACC, STR, AGI, and JMP are included in the OVR rating, they are taken into account when calculating the OVR. I will not do what that guys at EA do and simply increase a player's speed, accel, etc...when he is playing at a high level. I think that is misinterpretation. Instead, they should up the skills that MAKE a player elite and not overcompensate by simply making them more athletic.

# 171 Dog @ 08/04/10 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	Another point you will have to remember is that injuries do affect the OVR rating. 90s are to be rare and 80s are to be solid starters that can win you games. Celek has not been a top 10 TE in either of the last 3 seasons according to PFF...the best was last year at 16th. Cole is still on the upswing and Rocca has the tools, but lacks some consistency. Since Madden rates on potential, we can't ignore his leg strength. Sims is rated as he is because of his awesome athleticism, which is part of how Madden rates players. Weaver may be versatile, but that doesn't count for much in Madden since you have to move him around. As a pure FB, where blocking counts too, he is about right where he should be. I am aware of Avant's talents...not the fastest guy, but great hands. NO drops last season I believe. Mikell was great in 08, but he isn't the most athletic, which hurts him. Once again, if Madden would differentiate between Athleticism and technique/skill then some of these guys would be higher/lower. But since the attributes like SPD, ACC, STR, AGI, and JMP are included in the OVR rating, they are taken into account when calculating the OVR. I will not do what that guys at EA do and simply increase a player's speed, accel, etc...when he is playing at a high level. I think that is misinterpretation. Instead, they should up the skills that MAKE a player elite and not overcompensate by simply making them more athletic.

fair enough. i still disagree with celek though, you will see this year he is def a top 10 te. i agree though that madden doesnt differentiate very well between athleticism and technique and things like that

# 172 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/10 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jnes12eaglesfan


	fair enough. i still disagree with celek though, you will see this year he is def a top 10 te. i agree though that madden doesnt differentiate very well between athleticism and technique and things like that

I suppose if Celek graded out better than only a 71 SPD that would help. His athleticism is just above the average for a TE though. As a receiver he is great...no doubt. He was the 5th best receiving TE in the league last year. The problem, which IMO justifies a lower rating, is that he was AWFUL in run blocking. When you consider that there were only 5 TEs that were worse than him in the entire league, you cannot grade him better. The TE position is a cross between receiver and blocker, and if you are only good at one, it will hurt your OVR grade. See Dustin Keller and Vernon Davis for other examples. Heck, I have Davis at only an 81 because he is so pitiful at blocking!

# 173 Dog @ 08/04/10 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	I suppose if Celek graded out better than only a 71 SPD that would help. His athleticism is just above the average for a TE though. As a receiver he is great...no doubt. He was the 5th best receiving TE in the league last year. The problem, which IMO justifies a lower rating, is that he was AWFUL in run blocking. When you consider that there were only 5 TEs that were worse than him in the entire league, you cannot grade him better. The TE position is a cross between receiver and blocker, and if you are only good at one, it will hurt your OVR grade. See Dustin Keller and Vernon Davis for other examples. Heck, I have Davis at only an 81 because he is so pitiful at blocking!

true. i can see that now. he isnt awful i dont think but he is far from tops in the league. i forgot blocking goes into the rating ha

# 174 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/10 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jnes12eaglesfan


	true. i can see that now. he isnt awful i dont think but he is far* from tops in the league. i forgot blocking goes into the rating ha*

Out of the 108 TEs that took a snap last season...he was 102nd in run blocking....that's BAD man.

# 175 Dog @ 08/04/10 10:24 PM

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	Out of the 108 TEs that took a snap last season...he was 102nd in run blocking....that's BAD man.

how do they grade run blocking? like what goes into the rankings

cause from watching 17 games last year i didnt see anything that would make me say "he is in the bottom 10 for blocking"

# 176 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/10 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jnes12eaglesfan


	how do they grade run blocking? like what goes into the rankings cause from watching 17 games last year i didnt see anything that would make me say "he is in the bottom 10 for blocking"

I give you this link to explain it:

http://profootballfocus.com/about.php?tab=about

# 177 Dog @ 08/04/10 10:32 PM

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	I give you this link to explain it: http://profootballfocus.com/about.php?tab=about

eh, im not too high on that site i dont agree with some of the ratings they do

# 178 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/10 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jnes12eaglesfan


	eh, im not too high on that site i dont agree with some of the ratings they do

Well they do watch every down of every game...so I guess it is as good as we can get. However, I also incorporate scouting data and stats so its not all one way here.

# 179 Dog @ 08/04/10 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	Well they do watch every down of every game...so I guess it is as good as we can get. However, I also incorporate scouting data and stats so its not all one way here.

oh i know. i definitely appreciate what your doing.

also, according to them, out of all starting TE's in the league (players hwo player 75% or more of teams snaps) celek was ranked #9.

EDIT: okay, to be fair only 16 te's played 75% or more of teams stats. if you bump it down to 60, there is 27 and celek falls to 13th, but thats an average of 11th. so i was one off by saying he was top 10

# 180 DCEBB2001 @ 08/04/10 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jnes12eaglesfan


	oh i know. i definitely appreciate what your doing. also, according to them, out of all starting TE's in the league (players hwo player 75% or more of teams snaps) celek was ranked #9. EDIT: okay, to be fair only 16 te's played 75% or more of teams stats. if you bump it down to 60, there is 27 and celek falls to 13th, but thats an average of 11th. so i was one off by saying he was top 10

He is definitely a great receiving TE, but because of that horrible blocking, I can't rate him any higher.

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