Madden NFL 11 News Post

Old Madden Ratings Site Reborn Under New Management

10:31 PM - July 6, 2010 by Steve_OS

The popular FBG Ratings website of the mid 2000's is up and running again under new management. Over 17000 NFL players are being evaluated and re-rated for the 2010 NFL season. The FBG ratings system will utilize old philosophies for bringing accuracy to Madden NFL game-play while incorporating the NextGen attributes into player ratings.

Because of the many critiques of EA and their ratings over the years, the managers are hearing recommendations for player ratings. This will give the most loyal Madden gaming community at OS the opportunity to give their input into player ratings. Please visit www.fbgratings.com/members to check the site out.

You can PM Dan B. on OS under his handle DCEBB2001.

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# 81 DCEBB2001 @ 07/09/10 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by at23steelers


	Yeah, it's awesome how much time, work, and energy you put into these ratings. How do you even begin to rate agility for the players though? Also, when do you expect the ratings to be done? No rush at all, in fact as you probably know and EA needs to know is never rush anything, but make sure you take awhile and make sure it's perfect!

Almost forgot...agility is based primarily on the 3-cone drill but game footage and ELU ratings will be taken into consideration for this rating.

# 82 King Gro23 @ 07/09/10 12:30 PM

^^ About the strength I think it doesn't matter. IMO Thats The way the game works, it doesn't matter. Just because player A is entitled to a 90 strength rating, doesn't mean he is some newfound herculean on the field. A Safety applies his strength rating differently to the game as opposed to a lineman.

What would a high strength rating do for a safety in madden? It'd probably make the safety a lot more hard-nosed, physical, tougher more felt tackles, just an all-around strong safety. Shed wide reciever blocks, and press or jostle with recievers a lot more physical. So what's the problem here?

A O-lineman on the other hand, strength applies to him in a much different way. He affects the game by, holding off a linemans jump, Holding ground in blocks, the ability to drive a player, The effectiveness of each block made. Can he match the D-lines strength?

Just because you line up behind center or any other position doesnt mean your vastly weaker than the fat boys who put up numbers or the backer beasts. Ben Roethlisberger and Tim Tebow are strong men, period. As strong as some linebackers and D-line? No, but not far far off from most/some

I might just be confused I haven't followed this thread post for post but...

# 83 DCEBB2001 @ 07/09/10 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by King Gro23


	^^ About the strength I think it doesn't matter. IMO Thats The way the game works, it doesn't matter. Just because player A is entitled to a 90 strength rating, doesn't mean he is some newfound herculean on the field. A Safety applies his strength rating differently to the game as opposed to a lineman. What would a high strength rating do for a safety in madden? It'd probably make the safety a lot more hard-nosed, physical, tougher more felt tackles, just an all-around strong safety. Shed wide reciever blocks, and press or jostle with recievers a lot more physical. So what's the problem here? A O-lineman on the other hand, strength applies to him in a much different way. He affects the game by, holding off a linemans jump, Holding ground in blocks, the ability to drive a player, The effectiveness of each block made. Can he match the D-lines strength? Just because you line up behind center or any other position doesnt mean your vastly weaker than the fat boys who put up numbers or the backer beasts. Ben Roethlisberger and Tim Tebow are strong men, period. As strong as some linebackers and D-line? No, but not far far off from most/some I might just be confused I haven't followed this thread post for post but...

Well since you bring them up I will give you an example for STR ratings in my system:

Your Examples:
Tebow: 69 STR
Ben R: 69 STR

Some Packers:
BJ Raji: 94 STR
C. Matthews: 70 STR
A. Bigby: 66 STR
C. Woodson: 57 STR
C. Clifton: 91 STR
D. Driver: 54 STR
R. Grant: 64 STR
J. Kuhn: 74 STR
A. Rodgers: 66 STR

# 84 Maelstrom-XIII @ 07/09/10 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by King Gro23


	^^ About the strength I think it doesn't matter. IMO Thats The way the game works, it doesn't matter. Just because player A is entitled to a 90 strength rating, doesn't mean he is some newfound herculean on the field. A Safety applies his strength rating differently to the game as opposed to a lineman. What would a high strength rating do for a safety in madden? It'd probably make the safety a lot more hard-nosed, physical, tougher more felt tackles, just an all-around strong safety. Shed wide reciever blocks, and press or jostle with recievers a lot more physical. So what's the problem here? A O-lineman on the other hand, strength applies to him in a much different way. He affects the game by, holding off a linemans jump, Holding ground in blocks, the ability to drive a player, The effectiveness of each block made. Can he match the D-lines strength? Just because you line up behind center or any other position doesnt mean your vastly weaker than the fat boys who put up numbers or the backer beasts. Ben Roethlisberger and Tim Tebow are strong men, period. As strong as some linebackers and D-line? No, but not far far off from most/some I might just be confused I haven't followed this thread post for post but...

I was more just trying to show an example that positions shouldn't be taken into account. If player A is as strong as player B, they should have similar strength ratings, regardless of how it is used. If we want to say that an OL uses his strength differently than a safety, that's what we have Hit Power, Run Block/Pass Block Strength, etc for...I'm just saying it's not my idea of fidelity to reality if we are saying "This player we'll give an 89 rating...he's not as good as this guy with an 82, but we'll give him an 89 because he's at this position rather than that one."

I completely understand where you're coming from, but I'm just saying that AT LEAST for core attributes (speed, strength, agility, awareness, jumping, acceleration, injury and toughness), we should rate them all as if they are just players, not positionally. Just because I'm a safety doesn't mean my 90 rating is any slower than a 90 speed WR...two different positions, same rating..should be the same speed...

See what I mean? Those ratings, in my opinion, do not give themselves to different positional weights, if you will...

# 85 DCEBB2001 @ 07/09/10 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Maelstrom-XIII


	I completely understand where you're coming from, but I'm just saying that AT LEAST for core attributes (speed, strength, agility, awareness, jumping, acceleration, injury and toughness), we should rate them all as if they are just players, not positionally. Just because I'm a safety doesn't mean my 90 rating is any slower than a 90 speed WR...two different positions, same rating..should be the same speed... See what I mean? Those ratings, in my opinion, do not give themselves to different positional weights, if you will...

BINGO!!! Couldn't agree more!!!

# 86 Blue_Monkey @ 07/09/10 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	All in all, I expect the basic info do be done by the end of September, the first update by early October, the updated depth charts and rosters with jersey #s and hts/wts by October, and attributes for players on current rosters by the end of the season. Considering how long it takes, this is a realistic timetable. Then for opening day 2011, all of the players (17000 + 2400 rookies) will have all OVRs and attributes ready to go full time.

Excuse me for being stupid but does this mean that the rosters will be fully done for this season or the season after that?

# 87 King Gro23 @ 07/09/10 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Maelstrom-XIII


	I was more just trying to show an example that positions shouldn't be taken into account. If player A is as strong as player B, they should have similar strength ratings, regardless of how it is used. If we want to say that an OL uses his strength differently than a safety, that's what we have Hit Power, Run Block/Pass Block Strength, etc for...I'm just saying it's not my idea of fidelity to reality if we are saying "This player we'll give an 89 rating...he's not as good as this guy with an 82, but we'll give him an 89 because he's at this position rather than that one." I completely understand where you're coming from, but I'm just saying that AT LEAST for core attributes (speed, strength, agility, awareness, jumping, acceleration, injury and toughness), we should rate them all as if they are just players, not positionally. Just because I'm a safety doesn't mean my 90 rating is any slower than a 90 speed WR...two different positions, same rating..should be the same speed... See what I mean? Those ratings, in my opinion, do not give themselves to different positional weights, if you will...

Yeah your right, I get where you are coming from now. I also agree now that it makes sense.

# 88 DCEBB2001 @ 07/09/10 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue_Monkey


	Excuse me for being stupid but does this mean that the rosters will be fully done for this season or the season after that?

Fully complete with all OVRs and attributes for 20000 players for next year (Madden 12 or NFL 2011 season).

# 89 baseballsim @ 07/09/10 05:18 PM

So this site is more for Offline Franchise players, right? This site doesn't keep track of the weekly ratings released by EA during the season.

# 90 DCEBB2001 @ 07/09/10 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by baseballsim


	So this site is more for Offline Franchise players, right? This site doesn't keep track of the weekly ratings released by EA during the season.

It keeps track of weekly ratings based on the FBG system, but is more for offline franchise, yes.

# 91 at23steelers @ 07/09/10 09:32 PM

Just wanted to point out, there are ratings attributes I saw lower than 12 in Madden 11.

# 92 DCEBB2001 @ 07/09/10 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by at23steelers


	Just wanted to point out, there are ratings attributes I saw lower than 12 in Madden 11.

It's the same way in Madden 10. On the spreadsheets from last season they show some ratings lower than 12. However, when you go into the player editor in the game it will only allow you to go as far down as 12.

# 93 DCEBB2001 @ 07/10/10 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	It's the same way in Madden 10. On the spreadsheets from last season they show some ratings lower than 12. However, when you go into the player editor in the game it will only allow you to go as far down as 12.

Can anyone else verify this please?

# 94 K_GUN @ 07/10/10 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	You sir...GET IT! That is the whole idea behind the new FBG ratings! No more over-inflated ratings. Rookies do not earn their high ratings until they EARN it. That is the point. There are under 100 guys in the 90s in this system, so they are rare, but amazing on the field. Your average player? About a 70. This is how it is supposed to work. Thank you for your comments...I am glad someone gets it!

i get it too...but as a beloved bills fan..how can i possibly run a franchise with those ratings...eric wood a 47?

side note....i've noticed when u play teams in play now mode they have TEAM OVR in the 60s/70s but when u launch a franchise all the TEAM OVR get bunched closer together...why is this?

# 95 DCEBB2001 @ 07/10/10 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by K_GUN


	i get it too...but as a beloved bills fan..how can i possibly run a franchise with those ratings...eric wood a 47? side note....i've noticed when u play teams in play now mode they have TEAM OVR in the 60s/70s but when u launch a franchise all the TEAM OVR get bunched closer together...why is this?

Eric Wood is rated a 47 because he broke his leg in 2 places on NOV 22nd. Injuries will knock a player down significantly.

# 96 at23steelers @ 07/10/10 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by K_GUN


	i get it too...but as a beloved bills fan..how can i possibly run a franchise with those ratings...eric wood a 47? side note....i've noticed when u play teams in play now mode they have TEAM OVR in the 60s/70s but when u launch a franchise all the TEAM OVR get bunched closer together...why is this?

I am pretty sure that the play now, is what the teams "should" be rated in real life, while the franchise is the actual average of the players ratings.

# 97 K_GUN @ 07/10/10 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	Eric Wood is rated a 47 because he broke his leg in 2 places on NOV 22nd. Injuries will knock a player down significantly.

makes sense...do u guys know how each rating affects gameplay

like impact blocking?.........(I don't---just curious)

# 98 DCEBB2001 @ 07/11/10 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by K_GUN


	makes sense...do u guys know how each rating affects gameplay like impact blocking?.........(I don't---just curious)

Impact blocking is the blockers ability to make a leveling impact block on an opposing defender.

# 99 Playmakers @ 07/11/10 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	I do not think so...but I never play online so I don't know for sure. But I do know that we will be producing roster files at some point as well as launching an NCAA site that rates NCAA players as well.

Wow!

I love rating players in NCAA football....in fact I've been rating players in NCAA football for the past 4 years.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...i-rosters.html

If this site does happen let me know because I think I can help you out big time with the ratings as you'll see from all of my NCAA Roster work. I've always wanted to find a site that dedicates itself to player ratings in NCAA football.

# 100 DCEBB2001 @ 07/11/10 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Playmakers


	Wow! I love rating players in NCAA football....in fact I've been rating players in NCAA football for the past 4 years. http://www.operationsports.com/forum...i-rosters.html If this site does happen let me know because I think I can help you out big time with the ratings as you'll see from all of my NCAA Roster work. I've always wanted to find a site that dedicates itself to player ratings in NCAA football.

I think we would need more help with the roster creation aspect for both the Madden and NCAA games. Well, Madden isn't too bad, but NCAA would be a HUGE project to create all the ratings as required in the game. We would need to figure out all the player calculations too. It's not even a sure bet we will launch one because of the shear size of the project. That type of database would be much larger than the one we have for Madden currently, and that has over 17000 players in it.

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