Madden NFL 11 News Post

Old Madden Ratings Site Reborn Under New Management

10:31 PM - July 6, 2010 by Steve_OS

The popular FBG Ratings website of the mid 2000's is up and running again under new management. Over 17000 NFL players are being evaluated and re-rated for the 2010 NFL season. The FBG ratings system will utilize old philosophies for bringing accuracy to Madden NFL game-play while incorporating the NextGen attributes into player ratings.

Because of the many critiques of EA and their ratings over the years, the managers are hearing recommendations for player ratings. This will give the most loyal Madden gaming community at OS the opportunity to give their input into player ratings. Please visit www.fbgratings.com/members to check the site out.

You can PM Dan B. on OS under his handle DCEBB2001.

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# 101 Playmakers @ 07/11/10 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DCEBB2001


	I think we would need more help with the roster creation aspect for both the Madden and NCAA games. Well, Madden isn't too bad, but NCAA would be a HUGE project to create all the ratings as required in the game. We would need to figure out all the player calculations too. It's not even a sure bet we will launch one because of the shear size of the project. That type of database would be much larger than the one we have for Madden currently, and that has over 17000 players in it.

You got to trust me if your really looking to work on player ratings in NCAA football down the road/in the future not only me but I know about 2-3 other guys that can be really helpful to you.

These are guys like myself that has studied these ratings and had great success utilizing them in creating their own rosters.

Now of course it's not easy to rate 17000 players in College football but the goal would be to make the ratings more accurate than what EA releases every year right?

So naturally your not going to get every single guy rated correctly but I'm pretty sure if your serious about it me and few other guys can help you out do EA with their default ratings.......

Here's a thread of one of the guys I'm refering to.....
http://www.thegamingtailgate.com/for...ll=1#post10415

The guy knows his shiiiit and me and him discuss ratings all time back forth although it's mostly dealing with our own idividual rosters.....but i think i'll knowledge of the ratings and how implement them to the individual players is something that could benefit you if you decide to do something like this as you've done for Madden Footabll.

# 102 DCEBB2001 @ 07/11/10 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Playmakers


	You got to trust me if your really looking to work on player ratings in NCAA football down the road/in the future not only me but I know about 2-3 other guys that can be really helpful to you. These are guys like myself that has studied these ratings and had great success utilizing them in creating their own rosters. Now of course it's not easy to rate 17000 players in College football but the goal would be to make the ratings more accurate than what EA releases every year right? So naturally your not going to get every single guy rated correctly but I'm pretty sure if your serious about it me and few other guys can help you out do EA with their default ratings....... Here's a thread of one of the guys I'm refering to..... http://www.thegamingtailgate.com/for...ll=1#post10415 The guy knows his shiiiit and me and him discuss ratings all time back forth although it's mostly dealing with our own idividual rosters.....but i think i'll knowledge of the ratings and how implement them to the individual players is something that could benefit you if you decide to do something like this as you've done for Madden Footabll.

The main issue I foresee with bringing new people on board is that we already have a system to rate players and it is very very different from what you guys have done according to the links you have provided. You guys have done some things that we do not do.

First of all, your core ratings are not universal from position to position. At FBG, we make sure that a QB who ran a 4.40 40 yard dash will have the same speed as a CB who ran a 4.40 40 yard dash. You guys have different ratings based on position, which was deemed as a big problem with some of the ratings.

Second, we have a system to rate the OVR for the NCAA players already in place that is compliant with how we rate our Madden players. Think about the NCAA ratings as simply a premature way to rate players that have not come into the NFL yet, but once upon graduation, can be simply moved to the Madden site.

Third, we already have a guy who is well-qualified for the NCAA aspect of the ratings...if he finds the time and he knows the system we use inside and out. You would have to learn how we do things at FBG that set us apart from the guys at EA.

So as you can see, it would be a bit more complicated in making a decision to bring you all aboard based on the issues that may arise.

# 103 Ghu55 @ 07/11/10 05:58 PM

So does that mean you will be providing ncaa draft classes to prevent cpu/imported classes from being ridiculously over-rated?

# 104 DCEBB2001 @ 07/11/10 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghu55


	So does that mean you will be providing ncaa draft classes to prevent cpu/imported classes from being ridiculously over-rated?

If it is possible for us to create our own draft classes then we can most certainly try. However, if we are to get the players rated for Madden correctly (ie: best rookies being around 70 OVR in stead of 80) we would have to adjust the draft classes which I am not even sure is possible. With the old PC versions you could but I doubt you can on the consoles.

# 105 DCEBB2001 @ 07/12/10 11:36 AM

I would just like to inform anyone who has been looking at the site that it is currently down. We are moving to some new servers in Texas, LA, and Chicago so it will be down for most of the day. It should be up again tonight or tomorrow.

I have also been working on updating some of the ratings for every player on current NFL rosters so you can have a look at how some of your players are rated in comparison to the ratings provided by EA.

Please note that these ratings were current as of late March, so many ratings in the 40s are for players who were just getting off of injuries. Rookies will also be very low for now, but will rise during training camps.

DB

# 106 Ghu55 @ 07/13/10 06:47 PM

Ummm...whenever I click the link in the first post it sends me to the old website that says ratings were stopped in 2007...can you point me in the right direction?

# 107 DCEBB2001 @ 07/13/10 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghu55


	Ummm...whenever I click the link in the first post it sends me to the old website that says ratings were stopped in 2007...can you point me in the right direction?

If you would have read my last post you would see that the site is down as we are moving to new servers. I don't have a timetable yet, but it should be up within a week.

# 108 DCEBB2001 @ 07/14/10 04:09 PM

The site should be up tonight guys. You will notice that I am now going team by team for the training camps. Right now AZ-CAR is complete along with GB. The rest will be filled out in the coming week. I will post again when the site is up so you all can check it out.

# 109 K_GUN @ 07/14/10 09:37 PM

not to be a ***** but...how are you planning to handle the man-made draft classes by EA?

all the re-rating in the world won't mean anything if year #2 of someone's franchise has EA's 'inflated' ratings in the mix with yours

# 110 DCEBB2001 @ 07/14/10 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by K_GUN


	not to be a ***** but...how are you planning to handle the man-made draft classes by EA? all the re-rating in the world won't mean anything if year #2 of someone's franchise has EA's 'inflated' ratings in the mix with yours

I am not planning on doing anything about it because there is nothing that can be done. The only thing that can happen is if the site garners enough attention that EA recognizes it and makes changes as a result. It was a lot easier back in the day of PC gaming where you could edit your own draft classes, but we are stuck with their draft classes for now...unless someone knows how to edit them.

# 111 DCEBB2001 @ 07/16/10 01:44 PM

Just to let everyone know that the site is back up and running.

http://www.fbgratings.com/members/index.php

You can see the rosters that are fully updated are AZ-DAL, GB, and PIT. Please once again consider that injuries do affect a rating heavily. If a player is rated 40, he was most likely injured or is a rookie. Also keep in mind that these wholesale ratings are as of March, so much has changed since then and rookies will be a little bit higher. I will get to the other teams and will hopefully complete them by the end of next week.

Dan

# 112 at23steelers @ 07/16/10 02:14 PM

Thank you for doing the Steelers roster! I made my list, of players who make the most impact on our team, in order of greatest to least. I decided my overalls for them but it's more for comparing then the actual #'s.
So, for my #'s, this would be for someone who wants them more stretched out, but since Donny Moore doesn't stretch them out much, I would add 3 overall to every player.

Polamalu (95 ovr)
Harrison (94 ovr)
Woodley (92 ovr)
Ward (90 ovr)
Hampton (89 ovr)
Aaron Smith (88 ovr)
Big Ben (88 ovr)
Miller (86 ovr)
Mendenhall (85 ovr)
Ike (84 ovr)
Clark (84 ovr)
Starks (84 ovr)
Kemo (83 ovr)
Farrior (82 ovr)
Timmons (82 ovr)
Keisel (81 ovr)
Colon (81 ovr)
Wallace (80 ovr)
McFadden (79 ovr)
Hartwig (74 ovr)
Pouncey (74 ovr)

# 113 DCEBB2001 @ 07/16/10 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by at23steelers


	Thank you for doing the Steelers roster! I made my list, of players who make the most impact on our team, in order of greatest to least. I decided my overalls for them but it's more for comparing then the actual #'s. So, for my #'s, this would be for someone who wants them more stretched out, but since Donny Moore doesn't stretch them out much, I would add 3 overall to every player. Polamalu (95 ovr) Harrison (94 ovr) Woodley (92 ovr) Ward (90 ovr) Hampton (89 ovr) Aaron Smith (88 ovr) Big Ben (88 ovr) Miller (86 ovr) Mendenhall (85 ovr) Ike (84 ovr) Clark (84 ovr) Starks (84 ovr) Kemo (83 ovr) Farrior (82 ovr) Timmons (82 ovr) Keisel (81 ovr) Colon (81 ovr) Wallace (80 ovr) McFadden (79 ovr) Hartwig (74 ovr) Pouncey (74 ovr)

-Polamalu was injured a LOT and he's still the 2nd best S in the league at a 93 rating.
-Harrison is still a great OLB...and probably the best in the game.
-Hampton is still one of the best run stoppers in the league...hard to downgrade him.
-Aaron Smith was injured, hence his 43 rating...in the next update he should be up over 80.
-Ben R...still a good QB in the clutch with good numbers even though he is a bonehead.
-Miller is still a good receiving TE...and pretty solid overall.
-Be happy that we gave Mendenhall an 83...he was the 43rd best back in the league last year according to PFF.
-Ike Taylor is LUCKY to be a 78. He was the 98th best CB last season. He was 43rd in completion % when thrown at him and averaged 13 YPC against him...72nd in the league. Plus consider he had only 1 INT...57th among all CBs. Not worthy of anything over an 80.
-I have Clark one point lower than you because he wasn't very stout against the run...only average.
- I think Starks deserves a bit more credit given his good run blocking abilities.
-No rookies over 70 just yet...so no go on Pouncey

# 114 DCEBB2001 @ 07/18/10 03:45 AM

Just to update everyone here who is interested:

The teams AZ-JAX and PIT are now complete with the offseason ratings. These ratings were compiled as of March, 2010. Some of the players who were injured will be rated quite low; possibly in the 40s. Players with a rating of 0 do not have any rating data as of yet, but will once training camps begin. Also keep in mind that some FA's or FA's who were recently signed may have some of the biggest changes for the next update. All of these ratings will change a bit during training camp battles, so feel free to check your team out and stay tuned during camps. The rest of the teams will be updated by the end of this week.

The Link to see team ratings from the pulldown menu is here, starting with the Cardinals:
http://www.fbgratings.com/members/vi...ovr&order=DESC

Dan

# 115 DCEBB2001 @ 07/19/10 01:39 PM

Just to update, all of the teams through the NYJ have been updated with their offseason ratings from March.

http://www.fbgratings.com/members/vi...ovr&order=DESC

Just use the "Jump to Team" pulldown bar to change the team.

# 116 GAM3R4LYF3 @ 07/20/10 03:41 AM

Hey DCEBB could you provide clarification on how a few players received the ratings they did.

L.T 91
Antonio Cromartie 87
Santonio Holmes 90

Thanks in advance.

# 117 DCEBB2001 @ 07/20/10 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GAM3R4LYF3


	Hey DCEBB could you provide clarification on how a few players received the ratings they did. L.T 91 Antonio Cromartie 87 Santonio Holmes 90 Thanks in advance.

Sure,

1. Although LT has seen a stark decline in production over the last 4 seasons, he has also been injured much more during this time period. And although he has played fewer snaps and had a declining average, he still finds his way into the endzone. He did still have 12 TDs...good enough for 5th in the league among RBs...along with no fumbles. And although he is breaking fewer tackles, it is still hard to determine with concrete evidence if the decline is due to his age or the injuries. This year with the Jets will allow us to get a better picture.

2. Statistically, Antonio Cromartie was the 56th best CB last season. His catch % was 37th and he only gave up 2 TDs with 3 INTs. He was also very stout against the run, but struggled in pass coverage. However, he still has the physical skillset to be an impact player like he was in 2007 when he recorded 7 INTs with only 1 TD allowed. The physical skills alone make him serviceable as a CB today.

3. Santonio Holmes is still a dangerous, speedy, receiver. His physical attributes are amazing. He was the 13th best statistical receiver last season, with a 15.8 YPC average and a 6.3 YAC average, both near the top of the league for WRs. His 8 dropped passes hurt him considerably, but his ability to also break tackles (6th in the league last season) allow him to maintain an elite rating of 90.

# 118 DCEBB2001 @ 07/20/10 05:06 PM

OK guys,

All of the teams are now complete. Their ratings are updated though March. There will be more rating updates to follow once training camps are underway. As for now, I have to get cracking on the 14000 free agents LOL! You can go to this link and use the pulldown menu to sort by team. Enjoy!

http://www.fbgratings.com/members/vi...team=Cardinals

Dan

# 119 GAM3R4LYF3 @ 07/21/10 04:13 AM

Sorry to do this again but just a few Chargers ratings I would like clarification on:

Jacques Cesaire = Luis Castillo

Jacques in effectively 6 years is averaging nearly 29 total tackles, 1.5 passes defended, nearly 2 sacks, and .5 of a forced fumble per year.

While Luis in essentially 4 seasons is averaging just under 45 total tackles, just over 1 pass defended, just over 4 sacks, is forcing .5 of a fumble a year and has 2 career interceptions.

Also Nick Novak > Nate Kaeding

# 120 DCEBB2001 @ 07/21/10 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GAM3R4LYF3


	Sorry to do this again but just a few Chargers ratings I would like clarification on: Jacques Cesaire = Luis Castillo Jacques in effectively 6 years is averaging nearly 29 total tackles, 1.5 passes defended, nearly 2 sacks, and .5 of a forced fumble per year. While Luis in essentially 4 seasons is averaging just under 45 total tackles, just over 1 pass defended, just over 4 sacks, is forcing .5 of a fumble a year and has 2 career interceptions. Also Nick Novak > Nate Kaeding

First of all, Castillo has been HORRIBLE against the run. Among 3-4 DEs, he was second to last against it in the ENTIRE LEAGUE. Last season, both Castillo and Cesaire only had one sack each with one QB hit each. Now Castillo had far more pressures (14 to 8) but only had 2 more tackles than Cesaire. On the whole, Cesaire actually graded out slightly better than Castillo, but Castillo was the better pass rusher and Cesaire was the better run-stopper according to the internal data. So, they have similar rating OVRs, but are rated quite differently with their attributes.

The rating desparity between the kickers is because Novak was brought in on April 3rd to provide kicking duties while Kaeding was injured with a groin pull. Novak has also not played since 2008, so his rating will need to be updated and will drop during camp while Kaeding recovers. I mentioned the FA part in a previous post.

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