07:23 AM - May 21, 2010 by wickedbadman
The Backbreaker demo is now available on the Marketplace. Post your impressions here.
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Backbreaker News Post
07:23 AM - May 21, 2010 by wickedbadmanThe Backbreaker demo is now available on the Marketplace. Post your impressions here.
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# 682
NoDakHusker @ 05/23/10 04:16 PM
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Well, I've been playing since Friday night and impressed. For a first time developer from across the water making a America sports games it's pretty darn good. I know the demo is dumbed down but I actually like it. I am enjoying the camera. To me it seems imersive. This without a doubt a day one purchases. I just wish they had fatigue and definately injuries. Maybe next time.
Has anybody notice how all the players are Miked up. Wonder whats that all about.
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Thats would be a sweet Idea if the Nfl would do that, but I guess all the profanity wouldn't sit right with the Mothers
# 687
NoDakHusker @ 05/23/10 04:36 PM
I am loving the passing more and more. I like how you can really get punished for making bad throws.
Btw has anyone played as an offensive lineman yet? It's interesting, I must say.
Btw has anyone played as an offensive lineman yet? It's interesting, I must say.
Mr May
I think you hit it right on the Head. For a 1st time developer of a "football" game this is a very impressive effort.
It does have its quirks, and yes, not being able to see the whole field is one of them. HOWEVER, you have to play this game like its own separate game and stop comparing it to Madden and 2k. Its not gonna be "better" than those games just yet.
I personally think someone, 2k/EA will lock up this Natural Motion engine and use it in their games. I think its perfect for sports video games and to truly represent a sport where there are unlimited variables you can not use "canned" animations because they will look "fake"
If madden added this engine and tweaked it to be more "sim" and less "arcade" style i really think it would work.
I think you hit it right on the Head. For a 1st time developer of a "football" game this is a very impressive effort.
It does have its quirks, and yes, not being able to see the whole field is one of them. HOWEVER, you have to play this game like its own separate game and stop comparing it to Madden and 2k. Its not gonna be "better" than those games just yet.
I personally think someone, 2k/EA will lock up this Natural Motion engine and use it in their games. I think its perfect for sports video games and to truly represent a sport where there are unlimited variables you can not use "canned" animations because they will look "fake"
If madden added this engine and tweaked it to be more "sim" and less "arcade" style i really think it would work.
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For example, I bought mlb 2k10 and played almost exclusively my player mode. It's just more satisfying to some to play as one person and up the immersion level.
As far as options, I'd agree, but to a certain extent I also believe when you do something new you have to kind of ram it down people's throats. And on the other hand, they still have to teak and massage THIS camera. So in that respect, had they added the god cam as it's known now, the present camera would be worse than it is now because of the time it takes to implement another angle.
So if this camera was already perfect like say for example UFC's camera work (it's so good people don't even mention it) than I would say yeah, add that. But as it stands their top priority is nailing this cam first and I would agree with that work-ethic. The better they can nail the present camera, the closer they are to realizing their vision.
When you do something different you have to go balls out and really try to nail it, otherwise you get a half-assed this and half-assed that.
I would like them to continue to work on this camera and get it silky smooth before worrying about pleasing the traditional camera crowd.
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first person doesn't work because you can't judge your body in relation to the field and other players. irl you not only have perif vision, but also you feel your own body. We can't do that in videogames, so this tends to replicate it better than other options available.
If you want to be immersive and simulate to the gamer being on the field, it's just the best option imo we have at the moment. To me it's not disputable really since i've never seen or conceived of anything that would do a better job of realizing that goal.
# 692
blitzkrieger @ 05/23/10 05:15 PM
First impresssions.. Love the physics engine and graphics for the most part. I wish all Football games used this.. Really innovative for a football game.
Unfortunately I hated the Camera and there were a number of other things that were worrisome. Such as blockers standing around doing nothing, players sliding 3 or 4 yards on the ground. The player models were way too chunky/ robotic and the throwing animations are pretty awful.. But its the camera that will prevent me from buying this.
The problem with the cam is you cannot see quickly enough around you. The split second a human can look left or right cannot be duplicated in a game at this time. Not unless we are wearing 3D specs.
Considering how many people will not buy the game because of this, I think its wise that the Devs try to patch a "God Cam" view.
Unfortunately I hated the Camera and there were a number of other things that were worrisome. Such as blockers standing around doing nothing, players sliding 3 or 4 yards on the ground. The player models were way too chunky/ robotic and the throwing animations are pretty awful.. But its the camera that will prevent me from buying this.
The problem with the cam is you cannot see quickly enough around you. The split second a human can look left or right cannot be duplicated in a game at this time. Not unless we are wearing 3D specs.
Considering how many people will not buy the game because of this, I think its wise that the Devs try to patch a "God Cam" view.
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The problem with this argument in general is no one can agree to what 'realism' means in a videogame. So although it isn't implemented well enough to really nail what they were going for, the concept of playing one person on the field via this cam option to me is more 'realistic'. That word could be replaced with simulating a one-man experience or other semantic changes.
I'm not sure what you mean by sensory deprivation. The sound is fantastic, and the view although not perfect by any means, certainly feels more like being in the shoes of one person than any traditional cam could do.
I think if this cam was tweaked enough to work extremely well it would please even the staunch traditional cam people. The problem for many is that it's a little too zoomed in and low and confuses them.
There's a reason even that FPS's like RB6V pulls to a 3rd person view while in cover. I just don't see how anyone could argue that a tradition cam implants the player with a more "realistic" experience of being on the field in terms of being one person.
The concept of delivering that with this camera I believe is correct - they just need to do it better.
the gist is you can't give someone THIS experience with a traditional camera, and we can see this in all the be a player modes in other sports titles.
Your not supposed to be able to see the entire field. You should be focused on your man and maybe the QB or RB. If you want to see more of the field play free safety.
On another note; I just got a bead on the rb coming out of the back field and blew him up with the strong safety. I was full speed in focus mode and the hit felt so freaking real.
I saw the QB turn right, the rb go right and then used focus and at the last few yards I went all out aggressive and BOOM!
On another note; I just got a bead on the rb coming out of the back field and blew him up with the strong safety. I was full speed in focus mode and the hit felt so freaking real.
I saw the QB turn right, the rb go right and then used focus and at the last few yards I went all out aggressive and BOOM!
# 696
mgoblue678 @ 05/23/10 05:41 PM
The more I play, the major issues I was having with the camera seem to be get better. Just played a game where I ran tosses and sweeps almost exclusively since I was having problems on those plays. Broke off a 79 TD run on a sweep and a couple of other ones for 10 yards. I think my problem on those plays before was simply hitting RT too much/too early and not being patience enough more so than the camera
The control and camera could defiantly be tuned/tightened on outside runs ,but those plays aren't impossible to run by any stretch of the imagination.
Now if the CPU offense would just play more consistent. They have the occasional drive on me where they look fantastic only to follow it up with 2 ints into double coverage. Perfect example in the game I just played against Indy, they had one really good drive where they executed perfectly on me including their QB for a td. They even picked up the blitzes I called on that drive. Next two drives though there qb reverts back to an int machine and throws twice into double coverage for ints.
I honestly don't get the camera complaints on defense. I just stick with one guy the whole play and use LT to focus on the ball often , use RT occasional and I find the camera to be perfectly fine. In fact I love the camera on defense. Just read a play as a middle linebacker where I could see a draw developing, came in and crunched the rb. That felt really good.
The control and camera could defiantly be tuned/tightened on outside runs ,but those plays aren't impossible to run by any stretch of the imagination.
Now if the CPU offense would just play more consistent. They have the occasional drive on me where they look fantastic only to follow it up with 2 ints into double coverage. Perfect example in the game I just played against Indy, they had one really good drive where they executed perfectly on me including their QB for a td. They even picked up the blitzes I called on that drive. Next two drives though there qb reverts back to an int machine and throws twice into double coverage for ints.
I honestly don't get the camera complaints on defense. I just stick with one guy the whole play and use LT to focus on the ball often , use RT occasional and I find the camera to be perfectly fine. In fact I love the camera on defense. Just read a play as a middle linebacker where I could see a draw developing, came in and crunched the rb. That felt really good.
Maybe I missed it, but has anyone figure out how to showboat in the Tackle Alley yet?
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# 700
backbreakersteel @ 05/23/10 05:54 PM
I love the camera. I like controlling the corner and when you make a tackle without switching its really rewarding
. If they were to change the camera I think it should be to an actual forst person like in 2k5. That would be so fun when your in the trenches
. If they were to change the camera I think it should be to an actual forst person like in 2k5. That would be so fun when your in the trenches
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