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06:23 AM - May 21, 2010 by wickedbadman

The Backbreaker demo is now available on the Marketplace. Post your impressions here.

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# 561 gr18 @ 05/22/10 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hatisback


	Well, for instance, in Madden the difference in ratings for starting QB's is on the norm of about 20 points. In Backbreaker, it could be 50 for all we know. Thats a long stretch down when it comes to performance.

I wouldn't really want to pick the computer off say 8-10 times in a Road to Backbreaker game but could accept it more than starting a season and having a qb throw almost as many picks in one game as some do in a season though.This would really bother me.I think this is the biggest problem right now with the computer offense because the completion pct in general has been o.k. other than of course the int's and the running game has been at least acceptable at times on hard.

# 562 Jackdog @ 05/22/10 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hatisback


	Im sorry, but Im not really comparing the games....just the ratings and trying to make sense of things since we are still trying to figure out the ratings and the difference between a 40 something QB and a 90 something QB and what impact that may have.

I got you. I wasn't directing that to your post.

# 563 bkrich83 @ 05/22/10 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by fldash


	Seriously, do you have an impression of BB or not? All you have done is bitch about what it isn't. Your posts are not constructive, they are ridiculous.

How was the ridiculous? Would you say 3 or 4 picks in 4 minutes of game play is realistic at any level of play?

Is QB AI from the CPU not a legit concern?

# 564 mgoblue678 @ 05/22/10 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fldash


	Seriously, do you have an impression of BB or not? All you have done is bitch about what it isn't. Your posts are not constructive, they are ridiculous.

I don't agree, all BK is doing is posting about a problem that many of us are seeing. The ints are killing my enjoy right now and will do so if they are like this in the final version as well.

# 565 bkrich83 @ 05/22/10 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fldash


	It's definitely a legit concern but the way you are making it into something it's not...

How so?

# 566 bkrich83 @ 05/22/10 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mgoblue678


	I don't agree, all BK is doing posting about a problem that many of us are seeing. The ints are killing my enjoy right now and will do so if they are like this in the final version as well.

I guess my point is, no matter how you want to rationalize it, fictional league or not, if you play say 8 minute quarters that comes out 12 picks a game. That's not what I would consider normal, fictional league or not.

# 567 gr18 @ 05/22/10 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fldash


	Seriously, do you have an impression of BB or not? All you have done is bitch about what it isn't. Your posts are not constructive, they are ridiculous. The game isn't for you, that's cool... Not everyone is going to like it, it isn't trying to compete with Madden, the devs said so themselves... It's just an alternative in a fictional league where maybe the worst QBs in the world play... who knows...

BK certainly hasn't been constantly criticizing the game.He said he planned on getting it at one point.You could put me in that group if you just read my last few posts but we're trying to have a constructive conversation about an important concern.

# 568 bkrich83 @ 05/22/10 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mgoblue678


	I don't agree, all BK is doing posting about a problem that many of us are seeing. The ints are killing my enjoy right now and will do so if they are like this in the final version as well.

My hope is, with the 2 minute quarters, the computer calls a more aggressive game than it might usually and will force more balls downfield.

# 569 LingeringRegime @ 05/22/10 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	I guess my point is, no matter how you want to rationalize it, fictional league or not, if you play say 8 minute quarters that comes out 12 picks a game. That's not what I would consider normal, fictional league or not.

I agree. I hope that this will not be an issue in the retail, if so maybe there is a way around it. I would hate to see that this game would go to waste because of that. There is so much that is "right" with the game.

# 570 bkrich83 @ 05/22/10 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hatisback


	What is "normal" in your view? A 40 something rated QB when there is a max of 100?

12 picks in a game wouldn't be nornal despite the ratings. You think that would be normal?

# 571 mgoblue678 @ 05/22/10 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bkrich83


	I guess my point is, no matter how you want to rationalize it, fictional league or not, if you play say 8 minute quarters that comes out 12 picks a game. That's not what I would consider normal, fictional league or not.

I know and I agree. There has been nothing wrong with your posts to me, it is an impressions thread after all.

# 572 bkrich83 @ 05/22/10 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fldash


	We only see 4 ratings in the demo, the devs have said themselves that there are more than that and position specific ones.

What does that have to do with my question.

# 573 gr18 @ 05/22/10 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hatisback


	What is "normal" in your view? A 40 something rated QB when there is a max of 100?

The thing is I bet the Indy qb is around a 70 if not higher and still has issues.I've done 2k5 rosters for a few years and have wrestled with ratings fixes that worked to some extent so if this is the case fine but who knows.

# 574 bkrich83 @ 05/22/10 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fldash


	He has been constantly criticizing lately, I just looked thru his post history and he's had nothing but negative things to say, maybe I missed his positive thoughts. I digress. I don't care who likes the game or not... I'm not even sure if I do, but I think some of the things being compared with that other game, and talking about reality and sim is just dumb.

Obviously you do care what I think. I was not aware we were in a no critical post of BB zone? I didn't realize you made the rules here.

You must have also missed my impressions where I said I had mostly favorable impressions of the game. Where I said it was a definite first day buy. Where I said the game is amazing in so many ways.

My issues thus far have been camera, player models and CPU QB/Offense AI.

I wasn't aware I was supposed to fawn all over the game, and attempt to rationalize every potential issue with the game.

If you don't like my posts, do us all a favor and put me on ignore.

# 575 bkrich83 @ 05/22/10 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gr18


	The thing is I bet the Indy qb is around a 70 if not higher and still has issues.I've done 2k5 rosters for a few years and have wrestled with ratings fixes that worked to some extent so if this is the case fine but who knows.

Yeah I am really not sure how you could attempt to justify that kind of performance from the CPU QB's..

Hopefully it's a demo only issue and we won't see it in final release.

# 576 Krodis @ 05/22/10 08:13 PM

In order for the amount of INTs thrown by the computer to be reasonable, they'd have to be high schoolers playing in a pro league.

# 577 bkrich83 @ 05/22/10 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hatisback


	I pray to god not. I wish they would release a vid showing just gameplay from the final build so I could judge. Another thing I wished we could do, now that I am thinking about it is CPU vs. CPU.

It's worrisome to me. But we'll see, there's a reason I don't put all my stock in demo's. There have been plenty of games like this where the demo had some issues that really could have hampered the game, and then final release comes out and it's all good.

This issue is concerning and something to keep an eye on, but should be tempered with the fact it is just a demo.

# 578 NoDakHusker @ 05/22/10 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fldash


	He has been constantly criticizing lately, I just looked thru his post history and he's had nothing but negative things to say, maybe I missed his positive thoughts. I digress. I don't care who likes the game or not... I'm not even sure if I do, but I think some of the things being compared with that other game, and talking about reality and sim is just dumb.

Even though some of his posts are, in a way, negative, he ALWAYS has the facts to back it up. I might disagree with the guy sometimes, but he knows what he's talking about.
On another note, I've played a good 8 or 9 games and seen the CPU throw only 2 picks in that time span. It seems to happen in bunches, there are either no interceptions or they all come in back to back plays.
I still love the demo, there are just some issues holding it back from being great. I have to tell myself it's just a demo and that perhaps the final game will have all the kinks worked out.

# 579 bkrich83 @ 05/22/10 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ndhusker90


	On another note, I've played a good 8 or 9 games and seen the CPU throw only 2 picks in that time span. It seems to happen in bunches, there are either no interceptions or they all come in back to back plays.

I really believe some of the wonkiness maybe due to 2 minute quarters. Particularly in the 2nd quarter.

# 580 bkrich83 @ 05/22/10 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hatisback


	If it really is the game there are still things we can do about it. 1) Form- Handicapping system which is set to normal (if there is any effect in the demo). 2) Customization- Setting a cap on the ratings of the QB 3) Patches

Yup I agree. Usually people around here figure out workarounds to issues like these.

I guess I just want it to play a good game of football out of the box.

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