06:23 AM - May 21, 2010 by wickedbadman
The Backbreaker demo is now available on the Marketplace. Post your impressions here.
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Backbreaker News Post
06:23 AM - May 21, 2010 by wickedbadmanThe Backbreaker demo is now available on the Marketplace. Post your impressions here.
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Glad impressions are good. Can't wait 'till Tuesday.
This is the first time i've played a next gen football game that had a next gen feel. The player motion and animations blow madden away. Yes they aren't perfect, there are flaws, but the overall smoothness and feel of the animations, don't look nearly as canned or cookie cutter as madden.
A glitch i found, the computer QB threw a pass which was ruled an intentinal grounded. I accepted the penalty and called a timeout, the game froze up on the scoreboard.
I'm glad a small video company had the balls, vision, and will power to push/innovate the face of next gen football in the right direction. Don't you wish a huge company Like EA would do this?
Flaws will be found, the game isn't near perfect, but it's damn immpressive for a first try and using a new type of engine.
A glitch i found, the computer QB threw a pass which was ruled an intentinal grounded. I accepted the penalty and called a timeout, the game froze up on the scoreboard.
I'm glad a small video company had the balls, vision, and will power to push/innovate the face of next gen football in the right direction. Don't you wish a huge company Like EA would do this?
Flaws will be found, the game isn't near perfect, but it's damn immpressive for a first try and using a new type of engine.
I'd like to compare Madden and Backbreaker to a couple skateboarding games we all know well. Remember tony hawk skateboarding and how great it was for many years. Neversoft kept on pushing more and more tony hawks out, very little innovation, and the series got stale. When tony hawk came to next gen, it still felt like it hadn't innovated anything.
Then suddenly the Skate series emerged and it blew us away and tony hawk away. Skate felt fresh, innovative, and next gen. Madden to me feels like tony hawk, and backbreaker is like skate. Just a little thought i had as i was playing the backbreaker and skate 3 demos.
Then suddenly the Skate series emerged and it blew us away and tony hawk away. Skate felt fresh, innovative, and next gen. Madden to me feels like tony hawk, and backbreaker is like skate. Just a little thought i had as i was playing the backbreaker and skate 3 demos.
I love playing offense. QB feels great, and if i throw a Pick I generally know it was my fault. I think we will see HUMAN interceptions down a lot as we all get better.
Defense is a whole other beast, though. I am fine with the Camera angle, and I enjoy playing linebacker. The problem is, the offensive AI SUCKS!!! I can't believe how bad it is. Every time I play I get more and more frustrated on defense. I play as the worst team vs. the best team, and the QB still throws picks left and right and gets sacked. The run game is at least decent, but every time the QB holds onto the ball it almost always ends in a sack or INT. It's honestly really hard for me to understand how they could screw that up so bad, and I'm praying for a DEV to say something about how they fixed it in the real game.
I'm still buying the game, no doubt. Playing a human opponent will fix almost all the issues I have. The game is revolutionary and that's a fact. But if the QB AI is this bad, then ROAD TO BACKBREAKER and SEASON will be pointless when they you score 5 INT's (at least) a game... without even doing anything!
Oh, and Tackle Alley is a blast! It's a great little game to show off to friends. It's hard not to be impressed w/ the animations and anyone can pick it up and play.
EDIT: Oh, and yes. I am playing on PRO and HARD.
Defense is a whole other beast, though. I am fine with the Camera angle, and I enjoy playing linebacker. The problem is, the offensive AI SUCKS!!! I can't believe how bad it is. Every time I play I get more and more frustrated on defense. I play as the worst team vs. the best team, and the QB still throws picks left and right and gets sacked. The run game is at least decent, but every time the QB holds onto the ball it almost always ends in a sack or INT. It's honestly really hard for me to understand how they could screw that up so bad, and I'm praying for a DEV to say something about how they fixed it in the real game.
I'm still buying the game, no doubt. Playing a human opponent will fix almost all the issues I have. The game is revolutionary and that's a fact. But if the QB AI is this bad, then ROAD TO BACKBREAKER and SEASON will be pointless when they you score 5 INT's (at least) a game... without even doing anything!
Oh, and Tackle Alley is a blast! It's a great little game to show off to friends. It's hard not to be impressed w/ the animations and anyone can pick it up and play.
EDIT: Oh, and yes. I am playing on PRO and HARD.
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NoSkillz50 @ 05/22/10 04:27 AM
i think the dissatisfaction with the camera is due to frustration and the fact that it's a little cluttered and nerve-racking. that's how football is though, the qb has to read the defense from that angle, they have to progress through their reads, they can't throw it to any receiver they want at will at any time during their routes. real qbs don't approach the game like you do in madden, they can't get that clear vision of the field until they go back and study the tape. i think people will learn how to pass from this new camera angle. the peripheral vision is fine, it's a decent 3rd person camera, its not the usual 120 degree fps vision. might not be perfect, but it's pretty reasonable.
Played a bunch more today.
I wish the quarters were longer. It's hard to get a feel for the offense, when you just can't get a rhytm or tempo going due to such a short game time.
My impressions remain positive. Still a first day buy. Still hate the player models and the camera angle. I don't think sensory deprivation in the name of reality is really that realistic. Lack of depth perception and peripheral vision really hamper the game play from a camera perspective imo. Maybe that's just me. I simply don't like it, and don't feel it's more "realistic" or "sim" due to the limitations of playing on a 2d screen.
The run game is fun, and playing defense is fun. Seen lots of great hits and tackle animations. I think the intensity of the hits needs to be toned down a little. A few too many perfect form tackles resulting in a crushed ball carrier for my tastes, but with such limited exposure that could just be an anomaly.
I hope the playbooks are a little more expanded in the final version. They are pretty limited in the demo. That could be a bit of a turnoff down the road.
Overall, very encouraged, and am liking it so far.
I wish the quarters were longer. It's hard to get a feel for the offense, when you just can't get a rhytm or tempo going due to such a short game time.
My impressions remain positive. Still a first day buy. Still hate the player models and the camera angle. I don't think sensory deprivation in the name of reality is really that realistic. Lack of depth perception and peripheral vision really hamper the game play from a camera perspective imo. Maybe that's just me. I simply don't like it, and don't feel it's more "realistic" or "sim" due to the limitations of playing on a 2d screen.
The run game is fun, and playing defense is fun. Seen lots of great hits and tackle animations. I think the intensity of the hits needs to be toned down a little. A few too many perfect form tackles resulting in a crushed ball carrier for my tastes, but with such limited exposure that could just be an anomaly.
I hope the playbooks are a little more expanded in the final version. They are pretty limited in the demo. That could be a bit of a turnoff down the road.
Overall, very encouraged, and am liking it so far.
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At some point, you're just going to have to accept the fact, this game will not be everyone's cup of tea, and there will be things like camera angles that people simply don't like about it.
I am not sure why people think that giving the user multiple options for something like camera angle is a bad thing. It was one of my biggest complaints in Madden, and it's pretty much my biggest complaint in this game (lack of choice in camera angles.
The whole notion that if you don't like the camera angle it's because you are to "trained" by Madden and NCAA, and that you aren't up to the task of mastering and adapting to it is beyond ridiculous and just reeks of blind fanboyism. Different people have different preferences.
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I am not sure why people think that giving the user multiple options for something like camera angle is a bad thing. It was one of my biggest complaints in Madden, and it's pretty much my biggest complaint in this game (lack of choice in camera angles.
The whole notion that if you don't like the camera angle it's because you are to "trained" by Madden and NCAA, and that you aren't up to the task of mastering and adapting to it is beyond ridiculous and just reeks of blind fanboyism. Different people have different preferences.
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I played TH games for like 7/8 years, from the awesome THPS2 onwards. When Skate came along, it was "fresh" and "innovative" - however I personally just couldn't get in to it. Everyone was telling me how great it was, and I could also see all the good things about it and appreciate why people loved it. But for me personally, I just preferred the way the old THPS games played.
Having said that - in my opinion were the Skate developers right to try something different? Hell yes.
Comparisons between Backbreaker and Madden are inevitable. But they are both different games that just so happen to be based around the same sport. Personally I like an overhead view when playing sports games, but Backbreaker is trying to be a different sort of game. It is what it is, and think it should be taken on it's own merits.
I guess for some people, the overhead camera isn't just a preference for their football gaming - it's a requirement. And sadly for those people, maybe this just isn't the game for them, in the same way that Skate wasn't for me.
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"It's not where you're from, it's where you're at."
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pistonpete @ 05/22/10 05:51 AM
Based on the vids and impressions i've read (ps3 guy) i think that a madden cam option would take away from, not enhance the experience NM envisioned. i play FPF exclusively on 2K5 so I am looking forward to BB. It took me a while to get used to the controls and the lack of peripheral vision, but once the learning curve was conquered, I really enjoyed it. With 2K the passing game and running game are hard at first. But after awhile, you learn them well, if you stick with it. Having said that, I anticipate that since BB has arrived, I will finally retire 2K5.
I do understand people wanting options for their hard earned $50, but at the same time I respect NM for executing their vision and not being afraid to disenfranchise some therein. I think that as someone said, since there is a zoomed out "coach" cam already there, they could either patch it in or add it to the next iteration. I'm sure they can tweak the controls so that switching receivers is not as wonky either. Question: can you play multiplayer in the demo?
pete
I do understand people wanting options for their hard earned $50, but at the same time I respect NM for executing their vision and not being afraid to disenfranchise some therein. I think that as someone said, since there is a zoomed out "coach" cam already there, they could either patch it in or add it to the next iteration. I'm sure they can tweak the controls so that switching receivers is not as wonky either. Question: can you play multiplayer in the demo?
pete
as far as this being a video game, from a conventional football standpoint there are quite a few things that i dont like about the demo at this point and dont really see it as being a serious contender to hardcore madden or ncaa fans
but that being said heres what backbreaker is to me and the main reason im seriously thinking about getting it....
backbreaker is what superstar mode or road to glory mode is supposed to look like, for me when seen in this manner, i think this demo is a smashing success,
i mean the 1st time i came throw that tunnel onto the football field i was blown away, i reset the demo right there to experience it again and again.
but that being said heres what backbreaker is to me and the main reason im seriously thinking about getting it....
backbreaker is what superstar mode or road to glory mode is supposed to look like, for me when seen in this manner, i think this demo is a smashing success,
i mean the 1st time i came throw that tunnel onto the football field i was blown away, i reset the demo right there to experience it again and again.
Beyond what has been mentioned about the camera, why is it that I get a roughing the punter on every CPU punt???
Brian
Brian
# 394
Exonerated @ 05/22/10 08:17 AM
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As a previous colleague of mine suggested, BB is what Superstar and Campus Legend should be.
The graphics and interactions are great but its quite lacking in every other area.
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i am actually hopefull 2wards ncaa11 this yr, so i think unless that game gets terrible feedback that will prolly be where my money would go if i had to pick just 1.
that being said i have no allegiences to noone as far as my money goes...i will buy whatever game i honestly feel is the best game for the value of my money...its the reason i purchased ncaa09 over madden but purchased madden10 over ncaa10...or why after yrs of playing nba live i left for nba2k.
so for me i like i said earlier i think that backbreaker is what superstar mode should be like, and if at some point the game dropped to like $20-30 i would give it a shot..(there is no franchise mode so cant see dropping $60)..but lets say that i get the game at some point and really like it, and the next installment of backbreak improved upon this version as far as gameplay and features go...then who knows what could happen..
as of this moment in time i view this game as a possible alternative football gaming experience to ncaa or madden, as i think is more superstar or road to glory mode than a full fledged football simulator....however, like i said im always gonna be where i think the best value 4 my money is at...and if at some point in the future thats backbreak...then so be it.
i know this is long winded but i like to answer question thoroughly
edit: this video is superstar mode at its finest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsV0drpmfgs
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PS: I've never had so much fun playing defense before, it is awesome in this game. I choose my player before the snap and I stay with him for the entire play, excellent. Can't wait to get the game and put myself in it at MLB.
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The ability to option out of a play is well done, though I don't like the playcalling menu, I think its too slow, I would rather be able to see more plays. There are no line stunts on Defense or the ability to change single assignments. There also appears to be no hot routes, so in terms of layers the experience is basic.
The Plays are well executed though and the playbook looks to be deep, not sure if different, but there are lots a plays so that is good. i've played 20 games and I have to say I like the selection.
Game speed is pretty fast, which makes it like real football, you might not be involved in every defensive play, but this is not a bad thing
On Offense there needs to be 2 additions I think. 1. The QB needs some kind of inidcator that he is about to get hammered, maybe a little rumble or something. You have to increase your mental clock - you WILL NOT be sitting back in the pocket or running backwards to perform a pass - make a decision (I like this much)
The runner needs to be able to push off his own men, getting tangled with your boys happens often so for now I try to find the hole and shoot through it.
All in all, I like what I see and am ordering it this week,
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# 398
keshunleon @ 05/22/10 08:38 AM
This game is to complicated to enjoy over a period of time. The angles are not good for offense and defense. I run into the problem trying to avoid a sack and throw the pass I want. So far everything seems to be good except the gameplay.
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LingeringRegime @ 05/22/10 08:53 AM
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steelersfan7 @ 05/22/10 09:33 AM
I only thing that I see wrong is you dont know when you are gonna get sacked. The gameplay is solid, takes a little getting used to the controls but its fun. Every play is different, no suction blocking!!!! Defense takes getting used to since we are all so used to the madden setup. All in all i think this will be a must buy, too bad u cant play a little bit longer games on the demo.
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