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MLB '10: The Show Official Team Ratings and Explanation

02:57 PM - February 18, 2010 by Russell_SCEA

Overall, Defense, Pitching, Batting

Yankees--------1st, 6th, 1st, 1st
Red Sox--------2nd, 1st, 3rd, 2nd
Phillies---------3rd, 5th, 7th, 3rd
Dodgers-------4th, 4th, 2nd, 10th
Rays----------5th, 8th, 12th, 5th
Braves--------6th, 22nd, 4th, 9th
Angels-------7th, 16th, 10th, 7th
Rockies------8th, 24th, 16th, 6th
Cubs----------9th, 26th, 9th, 8th
Rangers-----10th, 11th, 23rd, 4th
D�Backs-----11th, 27th, 5th, 13th
Twins------12th, 23rd, 11th, 11th
W.Sox--------13th, 7th, 6th, 18th
Giants-----14th, 21st, 13th, 16th
B.Jays-----15th, 10th, 25th, 12th
Cardinals--16th, 13th, 15th, 20th
Mets--------17th, 2nd, 22nd, 15th
Brewers----18th, 28th, 17th, 19th
Reds-------19th, 19th, 21st, 17th
Orioles----20th, 12th, 29th, 14th
Mariners----21st, 3rd, 19th, 22nd
Astros------22nd, 9th, 24th, 24th
Athletics---23rd, 17th, 8th, 30th
Tigers-----24th, 14th, 14th, 29th
Padres-----25th, 30th, 18th, 26th
Marlins----26th, 29th, 30th, 21st
Royals-----27th, 15th, 20th, 27th
Nationals--28th, 18th, 26th, 23rd
Pirates----29th, 20th, 27th, 25th
Indians----30th, 25th, 28th, 28th

These are some of my favorite threads every year because we all get to debate on why so and so is rated this and that. It's all arbitrary and opinions when you think about it though (which is why I enjoy these threads so much), but for the sake of understanding I'm game lets dig a little deeper.

The Cardinals batting being ranked 20th in the game, but before I talk about their rating let me shed some light on how the game determines this.

1. It's an avg. of your starters and your bench and that's for your starting pitching and lineup. Kolbe gave me a number around 60% to 40% with your starters making up 60% of that rating.

2. Player ratings are not done by human hands its all done by a program that looks at the players past three years with the most recent year weighing in the highest.

Now that we have that out the way back to the Cardinals and this 20th batting ranking which made me scratch my head a little when I first saw it. As most of you and I'm guilty of this myself I think Pujols and Holliday that has to at least make them better than 20th. Not so fast

The Mets are ranked 15th a good 5 spots ahead of them I've uploaded some images to help make this easier.

Image #1

Image #2

If you notice the Cardinals bench is relatively weak compared to the Mets. This is a very important factor in the Cardinals current 20th batting rating. For the sake of science I swaped F.Tatis for S.Robinson on these two teams and their batting rankings changed. This one player swap propelled the Cardinals to 13th overall in batting and dropped the Mets to 21st in batting. What you have to remember is your starting lineup is only half of the story (about 60% give or take) you have to take into consideration your bench and your bullpen for pitching. Hope this helps.

Discuss.

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# 81 Reaman @ 02/18/10 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell_SCEA


	Overall, Defense, Pitching, Batting Yankees-1^st, 6^th, 1^st, 1st Red Sox--2^nd, 1^st, 3^rd, 2^nd Phillies---3^rd, 5^th, 7^th, 3^rd Dodgers--4^th, 4^th, 2^nd, 10^th Rays------5^th, 8^th, 12^th, 5^th Braves----6^th, 22^nd, 4^th, 9^th Angels----7^th, 16^th, 10^th, 7^th Rockies---8^th, 24^th, 16^th, 6^th Cubs------9^th, 26^th, 9^th, 8^th Rangers--10^th, 11^th, 23^rd, 4^th D�Backs---11^th, 27^th, 5^th, 13^th Twins-----12^th, 23^rd, 11^th, 11^th W.Sox----13^th, 7^th, 6^th, 18^th Giants----14^th, 21^st, 13^th, 16^th B.Jays----15^th, 10^th, 25^th, 12^th Cardinals-16^th, 13^th, 15^th, 20^th Mets------17^th, 2^nd, 22^nd, 15^th Brewers--18^th, 28^th, 17^th, 19^th Reds------19^th, 19^th, 21^st, 17^th Orioles---20^th, 12^th, 29^th, 14^th Mariners-21^st, 3^rd, 19^th, 22^nd Astros----22^nd, 9^th, 24^th, 24^th Athletics-23^rd, 17^th, 8^th, 30^th Tigers----24^th, 14^th, 14^th, 29^th Padres---25^th, 30^th, 18^th, 26^th Marlins---26^th, 29^th, 30^th, 21^st Royals----27^th, 15^th, 20^th, 27^th Nationals-28^th, 18^th, 26^th, 23^rd Pirates----29^th, 20^th, 27^th, 25^th Indians---30^th, 25^th, 28^th, 28^th

Thank you Russell for posting this!

# 82 Helios12787 @ 02/18/10 06:08 PM

While it does seem the Braves are overrated, in my opinion the past season or so has been decided on our injuries and players having horrible years.

B-Mac spent half the season trying to decide which baseball to swing at and still put up "solid" numbers. We've added a ton of depth in the field this year which will help if anyone fails to meet expectations / gets hurt.

I think our rotation is amazingly solid this year with the only glaring weakness is Kawakami on his off days.

Not having a lefty in the rotation can be an issue but it's something the Braves will have to work around.

Hopefully our additions like Glaus, Melky, and Heyward can provide a few more runs in the box score that we definitely lacked last year.

Not expecting a ring or anything but I believe the Braves are making some decent strides to getting back to their previous form.

# 83 EnigmaNemesis @ 02/18/10 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek2Jeter


	Lester Beckett Lackey Dice-K Wakefield I think you could argue that the Sox's rotation is better than the the Yankees. Especially if Dice returns to his old form, which I doubt. Bullpen is a different story though. The Yankees would have the better set-up/closer combo with Joba/Hughes and Mo. I rate the Redsox as 2nd or 3rd best bullpen in the mix with the Dodgers. But I can totally understand someone placing the Sox Yankees or Dodgers anywhere in 1,2, or 3 in terms of bullpen rankings

I do not doubt Dice-K coming back strong, look what happened last year when he came back healthy from rehab. His numbers were phenomenal. Going 3-1 with an ERA of 2.22.

So being healthy he will be effective, same could be said about any top player.

I also think Buchholz will get the 5th spot. He looks strong and gained more weight up to 198lbs.

Sox still have a really high Bullpen with Okajima, Paps, Ramon Ramirez, and a healthy Delcarmen is very effective. Also you will probably see the flamethrower Bard as well for a 1-2-3 punch.

# 84 Joepman @ 02/18/10 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek2Jeter


	Uhh. After Felix and Lee, there is literally nobody in the rotation. Rowland Smith? Erik Bedard who can't pitch more than 10 innings? And even worse, their bullpen is so weak. Aardsma is all they have, but they don't have a bridge to him so there really is no point in having a good closer.

You're severely underrating Ryan Rowland Smith.

And you keep harping on the thin bullpen. The bullpen was a strength of the club last year. Both Mark Lowe and Sean White pitched very effective set-up. Lowe in particular is regarded as a more than solid closer candidate himself.

They also went out and picked up another very good set-up pitcher from the Blue Jays in Brandon League.

This bullpen is not a weakness, and there's far more bridging to Aardsma than you credit.

The pitching may not be top 5, but it's certainly better than 19th in the league.

Perhaps you shouldn't be speaking so definitively about a club you apparently don't know much about.

# 85 Russell_SCEA @ 02/18/10 06:14 PM

These are some of my favorite threads every year because we all get to debate on why so and so is rated this and that. It's all arbitrary and opinions when you think about it though (which is why I enjoy these threads so much), but for the sake of understanding I'm game lets dig a little deeper.

The Cardinals batting being ranked 20th in the game, but before I talk about their rating let me shed some light on how the game determines this.

1. It's an avg. of your starters and your bench and that's for your starting pitching and lineup. Kolbe gave me a number around 60% to 40% with your starters making up 60% of that rating.

2. Player ratings are not done by human hands its all done by a program that looks at the players past three years with the most recent year weighing in the highest.

Now that we have that out the way back to the Cardinals and this 20th batting ranking which made me scratch my head a little when I first saw it. As most of you and I'm guilty of this myself I think Pujols and Holliday that has to at least make them better than 20th. Not so fast

The Mets are ranked 15th a good 5 spots ahead of them I've uploaded some pics to help make this easier.

If you notice the Cardinals bench is relatively weak compared to the Mets. This is a very important factor in the Cardinals current 20th batting rating. For the sake of science I swaped F.Tatis for S.Robinson on these two teams and their ratings changed. That one player swap propelled the Cardinals to 13th overall in batting and dropped the Mets to 21st in batting. What you have to remember is your starting lineup is only half of the story (about 60% give or take) you have to take into consideration your bench and your bullpen for pitching. Hope this helps

Discuss

# 86 EnigmaNemesis @ 02/18/10 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell_SCEA


	What you have to remember is your starting lineup is only have of the story (about 60% give or take) you have to take into consideration your bench and your bullpen for pitching. Hope this helps Discuss

It helps immensely and I think is what we were trying to convey to some.

# 87 DTX3 @ 02/18/10 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitman3315


	As much as I love my Dodgers... 4th is pretty generous considering their quiet offseason. 2nd in pitching? The bullpen is good, and some of the young arms have potential, but they definitely do not have one of the elite starting rotations in baseball (let alone a bona fide ace). Defense I agree with... batting sounds about right. Whatever though. Bring on the NL West in Franchise!

Yeah, that's definitely something I'm trying to figure out myself. I guess Clayton Koufax is just that awesome.

# 88 rbaker1979 @ 02/18/10 06:21 PM

I didn't know the bench played such a large role in the ratings, so I can understand the surprisingly low rating now. The Cardinals do have a pretty weak bench.

Thanks for the explanation

# 89 Zorb @ 02/18/10 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russell_SCEA


	If you notice the Cardinals bench is relatively weak compared to the Mets. This is a very important factor in the Cardinals current 20th batting rating. For the sake of science I swaped F.Tatis for S.Robinson on these two teams and their ratings changed. That one player swap propelled the Cardinals to 13th overall in batting and dropped the Mets to 21st in batting. What you have to remember is your starting lineup is only half of the story (about 60% give or take) you have to take into consideration your bench and your bullpen for pitching. Hope this helps Discuss

Makes sense to me! and thanks for the reply!

and the cubs are still overrated!

# 90 EnigmaNemesis @ 02/18/10 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rbaker1979


	I didn't know the bench played such a large role in the ratings, so I can understand the surprisingly low rating now. The Cardinals do have a pretty weak bench. Thanks for the explanation

I think that is what most are forgetting, and that their team does have a bench. And they do count, just as in real life.

# 91 Jeffery 09 @ 02/18/10 06:30 PM

lol the voice of reason! Makes perfect sense

# 92 Joepman @ 02/18/10 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EnigmaNemesis


	I think that is what most are forgetting, and that their team does have a bench. And they do count, just as in real life.

I agree they matter. I'm not so sure about the weighting being 40% though.

# 93 EnigmaNemesis @ 02/18/10 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Joepman


	I agree they matter. I'm not so sure about the weighting being 40% though.

That is actually almost spot on if you see bench and bullpen contributions (playing time) throughout a full MLB season.

# 94 huggerorange73 @ 02/18/10 06:44 PM

I can see all sides of the arguements presented here, and the logic of how it all adds up.

But still...I fail to see how the Cubs are rated as highly as they are.

And the White Sox pitching staff is way underrated...way underated

# 95 tabarnes19_SDS @ 02/18/10 07:00 PM

Russ,
Was this a manual lineup? Because if it wasn't SWEEEET!!! The LaRussa lineup is in with pitcher hitting 8th. I play as the Yankees, but I have never seen the pitcher hit 8th in Inter league play.

# 96 Russell_SCEA @ 02/18/10 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tabarnes19


	Russ, Was this a manual lineup? Because if it wasn't SWEEEET!!! The LaRussa lineup is in with pitcher hitting 8th. I play as the Yankees, but I have never seen the pitcher hit 8th in Inter league play.

It's the lineup the game is shipping with if that's what you are asking. I didn't move anyone around.

# 97 xNobleEaglex @ 02/18/10 07:02 PM

Makes sense. I'd put our starting rotation up against anyone's in the league easy. Bullpen is solid, with a few question marks here or there. Line-up has some question marks, but it's made up of 'solid run producers' from the last several years. And I'd put our bench up against anyone's. The 6th overall rating makes much more sense now. I hope they live up to that rating, because if they do, it could be a fun season irl and in the Show

# 98 tabarnes19_SDS @ 02/18/10 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell_SCEA


	It's the lineup the game is shipping with if that's what you are asking. I didn't move anyone around.

Great thanks!! It would be nice if St. Louis did this on there own down the road in a franchise.

# 99 Jays20593 @ 02/18/10 07:08 PM

To be honest, I know a CPU determines the stat but If it were me I'd swap the pitching and hitting rating. I think outside of Lind and Hill there not gonna hit that well.

And the top 3 of the rotation, 1.Marcum, 2. Romero, 3. McGowan looks pretty dang good to me.

# 100 GimmeAD @ 02/18/10 07:11 PM

I think the ratings are fair, but I agree the Cubs are far too high.

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