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Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

09:27 PM - October 8, 2009 by Steve_OS

According to Ian, patch #2 details for Madden NFL 10 will be announced next week.

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	"We are wrapping up the 2nd title update for Madden 10 - lots of good improvements, additions, fixes. Look for a list of stuff next week."

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# 181 BlueNGold @ 10/13/09 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LAKE4742


	If we're the minority, then why are Madden's sales down so much, and continuing to decline? Your asking why Madden sales are down during a recession. That answers your question right there. Why did Live 10 step up their game, and try so hard to make their game more sim? It took Live 4 years to step up their game. Madden stepped their game up this year as well. Maybe Madden 10 isn't as good as Live 10 (I haven't played it yet) but Madden did make alot of sim improvements this year over the last 4 games we've had to put up with. Why is 2K10 still the reigning champ of b-ball? Funny you should mention NBA 2K10 when that game is THE example of catering to the casual crowd and thinking about their hardcore crowd second. Why is 2k5 still widely regarded as the best football game ever? I'm going to assume it was mostly casuals who were begging for handtowels (I know I didn't). While there were so many great ideas last year, EA decided that handtowels were of high priority over gameplay stuff. Child please! Anybody can join OS and request whatever. EA created the game they wanted, period. Not a NFL game. Not a sim game. Just the game they wanted. They created the game they wanted when basically everything the community asked for was put into the game this year? QB throwing styles, 9 man gang tackles, Half Time & Weekly Franchise show, overall presentation, etc, etc were all added this year and people have been asking for pretty much all of those for the last few years. If those things weren't in this year then we would have had people saying "Where the ** is the weekly Franchise show?! 2K5 had that and it was the best game ever!" Basically every problem in this game like the passing game, suction blocking, and all those things, have been problems from almost every past Madden and alot of people are blaming a dev team that had 1 year to create their game (probably less than that in actual dev time) for these problems. I'm not saying I want these things in the game and I'm just as sick of these problems as the next guy but at the same time we have to be realistic here and realize not every single problem is going to be fixed in 1 year. That would be like expecting the Lions to win the Super Bowl after the season they had last year. Looking at Madden 10 as basically a fresh start, I think EA did a good job of setting the foundation for a good, sim football game next year and a good job at giving us a pretty enjoyable game this year. But still, the fact is sales are down in a big way. And most of us on OS still aren't happy....for whatever reason (but mostly because of gameplay). So, does EA still think handtowels, and nine-man gangtackles are of high priority? So nine man gang tackles shouldn't of been high priority because I think they should have been. You just posted about things you see on Sunday and how they aren't in the game and your telling me you don't see more than 2 man tackles in a game? The hardcore gaming population is what made the industry what it is. Devs certainly want more money (who doesn't?), and to expand the user base. But, it won't last. Again, Madden sales are down**. Ignore hardcore gamers, and watch videogames end up on the Wal-Mart isle, next to Transformers action figures. I don't think it will happen, though. What will happen, is another company will make a better football game than EA, again.

My responses are in bold (obviously).

# 182 BlueNGold @ 10/13/09 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrant8RDFL


	It's not about any game being perfect.

Well the guy that I was responding to sure made it sound that way. Not that we shouldn't expect a perfect game but I was just trying to show that guy that he was wrong in thinking that the devs for The Show and all those other games he mentioned didn't have the easiest time making their games like he seems to think they did.

# 183 BlueNGold @ 10/13/09 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by LAKE4742


	They did set a good foundation.....for future presentation. Good job. And most are still upset. Why? Because the gameplay, the GAMEPLAY, came second. Wouldn't it make sense to fix gameplay...first? I dunno. But, like I said.....sales are down.

It does make sense to fix the gameplay first but its not like they didn't touch it at all. You can't go and play the past next gen Madden's and then play this one and say the gameplay isn't better. It isn't where it needs to be, imo, but I'm expecting it to be next year. If it isn't then I'll play APF or 2K5 or PS2 Madden's or whatever.

And most are going to be upset anyways because like I said, alot of people asked for something (presentation), they got it and now that they have it they just brush it off and complain about something else.

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Originally Posted by LAKE4742


	And we're getting patches......for gameplay.

Just like every other sports game out, Madden is no different to that.

# 184 Kramer5150 @ 10/13/09 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueNGold


	Your asking why Madden sales are down during a recession. That answers your question right there.

Is this the new excuse now?
I'm sick and tired of the "recession" excuse....did it effect Batman? nope...
is it going to effect Call of Duty :MW2? I seriously doubt it.

The reason Maddens sales are down (imo)....it's due to the lackluster gameplay,that people are getting tired of,and having to wait 2-3 months AFTER purchasing the game on release to actually start a decent franchise.

I will admit they did some things that show their headed in the right direction....BUT...this is the 5th installment (4th on ps3) on the 360,and there are STILL flaws in the fundamentals of football,that (imo) just should not be there.

I read post after post of people saying "good job EA" for patching these issues...but exactly WHAT are we thanking them for?? This is not the invention of the wheel!!...this is football,that's been played the same way for how many years now?

# 185 BlueNGold @ 10/13/09 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CowherPower


	Is this the new excuse now? I'm sick and tired of the "recession" excuse....did it effect Batman? nope... is it going to effect Call of Duty :MW2? I seriously doubt it. The reason Maddens sales are down (imo)....it's due to the lackluster gameplay,that people are getting tired of,and having to wait 2-3 months AFTER purchasing the game on release to actually start a decent franchise. I will admit they did some things that show their headed in the right direction....BUT...this is the 5th installment (4th on ps3) on the 360,and there are STILL flaws in the fundamentals of football,that (imo) just should not be there. I read post after post of people saying "good job EA" for patching these issues...but exactly WHAT are we thanking them for?? This is not the invention of the wheel!!...this is football,that's been played the same way for how many years now?

Maybe I am wrong about the recession thing, I don't know. I don't pay attention or care about the sales of a game.

We're thanking EA for not leaving the issues with the game unpatched. They could very easily just say "Patching the game is going to take away time from Madden 11, so we aren't going to do a patch." but they didn't. They supported their customers.

# 186 MARTZball @ 10/13/09 06:18 AM

I think some are chasing a holy grail just ain't there re: football gaming.

Just my opinion.

# 187 Lukin4 @ 10/13/09 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueNGold


	Maybe I am wrong about the recession thing, I don't know. I don't pay attention or care about the sales of a game. We're thanking EA for not leaving the issues with the game unpatched. They could very easily just say "Patching the game is going to take away time from Madden 11, so we aren't going to do a patch." but they didn't. They supported their customers.

EA are really in a catch 22 situation with all this..... people are crying out for them to patch issues in M10, but by doing that they are taking away resources from the development of M11.... but if they don't patch M10, they risk those same customers getting frustrated and not buying M11 anyway....

While i'm looking forward to the second patch mainly for the franchise stats fix, i'm more than happy with the game as it is now anyway..... beats the hell out of the other PS3 versions of Madden

# 188 terrell2483 @ 10/13/09 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CowherPower


	Is this the new excuse now? I'm sick and tired of the "recession" excuse....did it effect Batman? nope... is it going to effect Call of Duty :MW2? I seriously doubt it. The reason Maddens sales are down (imo)....it's due to the lackluster gameplay,that people are getting tired of,and having to wait 2-3 months AFTER purchasing the game on release to actually start a decent franchise. I will admit they did some things that show their headed in the right direction....BUT...this is the 5th installment (4th on ps3) on the 360,and there are STILL flaws in the fundamentals of football,that (imo) just should not be there. I read post after post of people saying "good job EA" for patching these issues...but exactly WHAT are we thanking them for?? This is not the invention of the wheel!!...this is football,that's been played the same way for how many years now?

Just cause they sold better during the recession doesn't mean the recession isn't effecting it. If it wasn't a recession it would most likely sell more then it did now including more then Madden so that doesn't your arguement about Batman and MW2 doesn't really hold any weight.

# 189 Kramer5150 @ 10/13/09 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by terrell2483


	Just cause they sold better during the recession doesn't mean the recession isn't effecting it. If it wasn't a recession it would most likely sell more then it did now including more then Madden so that doesn't your arguement about Batman and MW2 doesn't really hold any weight.

Believe whatever you need to believe.
What was the excuse for the declining sales in previous years then? there sure as heck wasn't a "recession" then,now was there.

Imo,people are fed up,if you believe Maddens sales (this year) are all due to the "recession"...then I've got some ocean front property in Arizona I would like to sell you.

# 190 countryboy @ 10/13/09 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by stanley roper


	I think now you're just nitpicking. I know you believe EA Madden can get better or you just believe in that general. In actuality, I believe most people think this way that defend EA no matter what. I'm not calling you a fanboy, keep that in mind. Just saying some people believe EA Madden can do better. But I played all of those games and I don't see any of those problems being a game killer. And honestly, I'm playing The Show to this day, was playing Madden but the stats was a game killer for me, as well as many other bugs and glitches in the game. I'm pretty much generalizing how all those games I mentioned, there are no big complaints like that of this year's Madden. Like the other poster said, i'm enjoying this year's Madden more than past than ever, but it is with it's faults. They just need to address the real issues, the issues with the fans of this game, and i'm pretty sure after that, this game will be legitimate.

I don't consider any of those issues gamekillers either, but that hasn't stopped a handful of people from proclaiming those issues to be on those message boards. Same thing here in the Madden forum,some people see various issues as "gamekillers" while others don't.

No matter which game you look at, there are going to be faults that people can't look past. And there will be people who can play and enjoy the game despite its faults. Its how its always been and how it always will be, and Madden is no different.

# 191 johnkorean @ 10/13/09 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CowherPower


	Believe whatever you need to believe. What was the excuse for the declining sales in previous years then? there sure as heck wasn't a "recession" then,now was there. Imo,people are fed up,if you believe Maddens sales (this year) are all due to the "recession"...then I've got some ocean front property in Arizona I would like to sell you.

Keep in mind that, as a previous poster claims, the vast majority of people who buy Madden are parents buying the game for their children. It's much easier in a recession to say "I'm not buying you another Madden. You just got one last year" to a game that comes out every year as opposed to a unique game such as Batman.

It could be gameplay issues. It could be the recession. It could be a number of things.

# 192 johnkorean @ 10/13/09 10:59 AM

Has anyone considered the "EA actually has a disincentive to create the perfect game because if they do, no one will buy any subsequent versions and will just download roster updates instead" angle? This is the internet for Pete's sake! Where are the conspiracy theorists?!?!

# 193 Trevytrev11 @ 10/13/09 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by johnkorean


	Has anyone considered the "EA actually has a disincentive to create the perfect game because if they do, no one will buy any subsequent versions and will just download roster updates instead" angle? This is the internet for Pete's sake! Where are the conspiracy theorists?!?!

It'd be one thing if they were close, but there is so much improvement to be made in almost every facet of the game that this isn't even in the realm of possiblity as of where they are now.

And if this was the case, EA could easily charge only $40 or $50 for annual updates (rosters, ratings, uniforms, playbooks, stadiums, etc) and probably make more of a profit than they are now. If the game was so solid that all they had to put out were these simple updates, think of the money they would save on developmental and production payroll, marketing, printing, packaging, shipping, etc.

# 194 Trevytrev11 @ 10/13/09 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by terrell2483


	Just cause they sold better during the recession doesn't mean the recession isn't effecting it. If it wasn't a recession it would most likely sell more then it did now including more then Madden so that doesn't your arguement about Batman and MW2 doesn't really hold any weight.

How about MLB: The Show? That should be pretty comparable, right? Both are annually released sports titles

For the PS3 version over the first 10 weeks of sales:

MLB The Show 08: 309,852 units
MLB The Show 09: 377,282 units

09 sold about 22% more copies over the first 10 weeks than the 08 version and would have faced the same, if not worse (depends on which economist you ask) economic conditions than Madden. And it also had competition from 2K (though one could easily argue that 2K presented 0 competition).

# 195 spankdatazz22 @ 10/13/09 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SoxFan01605


	The point is these seem to overlooked in ways Madden's glitches never are. I really think most of it is based on reputation over recent years. Some are riding high reputation, some are riding the level of recent years' improvement. All are given the benefit of the doubt regardless of some very comparable flaws.

I would say all the games you noted represent their sport better than Madden represents [football]. I haven't played them all but from what I know and have read I feel comfortable saying that's the case. I think most people are able to take into account what a game is on the whole and judge it's flaws accordingly. I look at it like, if you're in a great relationship and you forget to do something simple like clean up after yourself - no big deal. But be in a bad relationship where your girl is already at the edge, that same little thing is enough to set her off. That's where a lot of football fans are w/Madden imo.

I don't feel it's because Madden's being held to some higher standard, because that's DEFINITELY not the case imo. Even with exclusivity, Tiburon hasn't put to rest comparisons between it and older games - that's pretty ridiculous at this point. I'm pretty sure most fans of the games you noted aren't looking back at older iterations as being equally good or better. That's on Tiburon.

# 196 johnkorean @ 10/13/09 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Trevytrev11


	How about MLB: The Show? That should be pretty comparable, right? Both are annually released sports titles For the PS3 version over the first 10 weeks of sales: MLB The Show 08: 309,852 units MLB The Show 09: 377,282 units 09 sold about 22% more copies over the first 10 weeks than the 08 version and would have faced the same, if not worse (depends on which economist you ask) economic conditions than Madden. And it also had competition from 2K (though one could easily argue that 2K presented 0 competition).

I'm mostly playing devil's advocate here, since I think it's probable gameplay has had some impact on down sales, but:

Madden has been around forever, whereas I'm pretty sure The Show is still pretty new as a franchise. Psychologically, it's a lot more difficult for someone to look at their game collection containing 10 versions of Madden and say "You know what I need? The newest Madden." Whereas you look at the same collection and say "Hmm, already have 3 The Shows. Yeah, I can get the newest one."

Speaking from personal experience, until last year the last Madden I owned was '05, which was awesome for Xbox. On a whim I got '09 and just never played it, since I was more into Oblivion and College Hoops 2k8. I have no idea whether '09 was any good or not, but word of mouth was that it was terrible and not really worth it. This year I decided not to get Madden until hearing from a trusted friend that this year's version was a vast improvement over previous versions, especially for what I was looking for (and that there weren't the same problems of marketing NEW AND EXCITING FEATURES that weren't simply features that used to be there, were taken out, and then put back in again).

I love the game. It's far from perfect, but it's enjoyable. The sim stats for franchises are off, but I'm also playing a fantasy draft franchise, which is also unrealistic. Plus, I remember the days of NFL Quarterback Club '98 for N64, when I was perfectly happy even though every quarterback finished the year somewhere between like 65% and 70% completion percentage.

Gameplay has come so far in the last 10 years that we've gotten spoiled and just assume that the code writing for all this stuff must be easy. Doesn't anyone look at the Madden disc anymore and say "My God. Somewhere on this disc, somehow, someone has done something so that when I put this disc into this machine, Madden happens on my TV due to a series of logic functions affecting on/off switches." Technology is crazy.

# 197 roadman @ 10/13/09 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22


	I would say all the games you noted represent their sport better than Madden represents [football]. I haven't played them all but from what I know and have read I feel comfortable saying that's the case. I think most people are able to take into account what a game is on the whole and judge it's flaws accordingly. I look at it like, if you're in a great relationship and you forget to do something simple like clean up after yourself - no big deal. But be in a bad relationship where your girl is already at the edge, that same little thing is enough to set her off. That's where a lot of football fans are w/Madden imo. I don't feel it's because Madden's being held to some higher standard, because that's DEFINITELY not the case imo. Even with exclusivity, Tiburon hasn't put to rest comparisons between it and older games - that's pretty ridiculous at this point. I'm pretty sure most fans of the games you noted aren't looking back at older iterations as being equally good or better. That's on Tiburon.

Well, as an former NBA Live player, I would tend to disagree with that. Now, maybe Live has started to turn things around with Beluba on the team, but the first few yrs on NG and previously, Live was crap. Late 90's and early turn of the century, Live was a good game.

I do believe Madden is held to a high standard because they are the only game in town and they will be always compared to the other game that a lot of folks felt was the high standard in football gaming.

Beluba's had a few yrs under his belt and Live seems to be turning around. Even last year, Live appeared to have issues, but it looked like it was going in the right direction.

Maybe there are some similarities between Madden and Live, currently.

# 198 Sauk @ 10/13/09 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jira2004


	I really see why Ian is not on here anymore!

Yeah the truth can hurt.... Who want's to read how bad the game is all day long, but in the end hopefully it will get these guys off their lazy behinds and produce a game that doesn't need 2 patches and can be played correctly right from the box instead of having to wait 3 months like I have been.

# 199 spankdatazz22 @ 10/13/09 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by roadman


	I do believe Madden is held to a high standard because they are the only game in town and they will be always compared to the other game that a lot of folks felt was the high standard in football gaming.

At this point (five years into next gen) should old Maddens, 2K5, and APF really be legitimate comparisons? I'd argue Maddens next gen ineptness has done more to add to the legend status of 2K5 than 2K5 ever did. It was a last gen game that's basically stood still for the past five years.

I sort of agree with you on the Live analogy. Both Live and Madden had horrible transitions to next gen. However, from what I've seen/read/played of Live 10, I'd say it doesn't have the fundamental issues that Madden 10 has if you're looking at how either represents it's sport. And if you look at something Live is doing with Synergy and tendencies it could be argued it's doing something better than no other basketball game has done. There's really nothing you can look at in Madden and say it's doing [this fundamental function] better than any football game before it. QB play? Tackling? Offensive lineplay? Defensive lineplay? WR play? DB play? Online? Online franchise? There's really no area I can look at the game and say it does an exceptional job at [this]; that it's gone beyond what came before it - it seems like it's all a matter of it trying to get to the level of being tolerable. When I think about things like seeing ball carriers getting juggled into the air after getting hit from behind, or seeing a smallish running back like Willie Parker break out of a 4-5man tackle with some regularity - you just don't see these types of issues in other sports games to the level you see them in Madden (imo).

The one thing I'd say Tiburon did an exceptional job actually has nothing to do with the gameplay or any of the game modes - it was with the community interaction. They went beyond what any dev had done before. I think they did a remarkable job turning around the apathy many were feeling towards the game overall, at least on this site. But in the end it came off more as marketing, as people that weren't a part of the interaction still seem to have that same apathetic feeling towards the game. Which sales bear out to be the case. There's just no way Madden sales should be declining given the NFL's popularity and their position with exclusivity. None.

# 200 johnkorean @ 10/13/09 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sauk


	Yeah the truth can hurt.... Who want's to read how bad the game is all day long, but in the end hopefully it will get these guys off their lazy behinds and produce a game that doesn't need 2 patches and can be played correctly right from the box instead of having to wait 3 months like I have been.

I love how people think that if they trash the game, the developers will sit in their offices crying because their feelings are hurt. "I'm trying really hard, guys! Stop being so mean!"

In reality they're sitting there saying "Wait, these guys think it's a terrible game and they're still buying it like sheep? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Morons. Maybe I'll go home at 2 today."

If you actually want to make a difference, complain with your wallet.

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