Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

[LAKE4742]

Quote: Originally Posted by BlueNGold

Nice post. I agree on most of it. The unfortunate thing is we (the hardcore/sim crowd) are the minority so more often than not the features are going to be aimed at the casual crowd.

If we're the minority, then why are Madden's sales down so much, and continuing to decline? Why did Live 10 step up their game, and try so hard to make their game more sim? Why is 2K10 still the reigning champ of b-ball? Why is 2k5 still widely regarded as the best football game ever? I'm going to assume it was mostly casuals who were begging for handtowels (I know I didn't). While there were so many great ideas last year, EA decided that handtowels were of high priority over gameplay stuff. Child please! Anybody can join OS and request whatever. EA created the game they wanted, period. Not a NFL game. Not a sim game. Just the game they wanted.

But still, the fact is sales are down in a big way. And most of us on OS still aren't happy....for whatever reason (but mostly because of gameplay). So, does EA still think handtowels, and nine-man gangtackles are of high priority?

The hardcore gaming population is what made the industry what it is. Devs certainly want more money (who doesn't?), and to expand the user base. But, it won't last. Again, Madden sales are down. Ignore hardcore gamers, and watch videogames end up on the Wal-Mart isle, next to Transformers action figures. I don't think it will happen, though. What will happen, is another company will make a better football game than EA, again.

[huskerwr38]

Quote: Originally Posted by BlueNGold

I agree 100% on the bolded part. It seems like Madden's glitches are 10x more magnified than the next game.

Yea, you know why?!?! Because football is the MOST popular sport in America and we have ONE freaking video game to represent that. That is why Madden is under a magnifying glass. It's like EA has the ball and everyone else is on the sideline (fans and other gamemakers) watching and pointing out EVERY little mistake because they are the only game in town!

[chevrock22]

Set the packer uniforms straight with the Reebok logos placed correctly.

[Tyrant8RDFL]

Quote: Originally Posted by BlueNGold

Yeah and are all of those games perfect? No. FIFA 10 seems to be getting a bunch of complaints from the few posts I've read on that forum. Look at the list 2K is working on for the first patch on NBA 2K10. I can't speak for The Show since I don't have a PS3 or like baseball. NHL and Fight Night are the best sports games this year but NHL had a year off before making the jump to next gen and Fight Night had the benefit of remaking basically the entire engine and having an extra year off after Round 3.

It's not about any game being perfect. The sport in real life isn't played perfect so saying this makes no sense to help your argument.

The thing gamers look for is a solid game. That's all not perfect.

There are some sports games out there that are solid.

[BlueNGold]

Quote: Originally Posted by LAKE4742

If we're the minority, then why are Madden's sales down so much, and continuing to decline? Your asking why Madden sales are down during a recession. That answers your question right there. Why did Live 10 step up their game, and try so hard to make their game more sim? It took Live 4 years to step up their game. Madden stepped their game up this year as well. Maybe Madden 10 isn't as good as Live 10 (I haven't played it yet) but Madden did make alot of sim improvements this year over the last 4 games we've had to put up with. Why is 2K10 still the reigning champ of b-ball? Funny you should mention NBA 2K10 when that game is THE example of catering to the casual crowd and thinking about their hardcore crowd second. Why is 2k5 still widely regarded as the best football game ever? I'm going to assume it was mostly casuals who were begging for handtowels (I know I didn't). While there were so many great ideas last year, EA decided that handtowels were of high priority over gameplay stuff. Child please! Anybody can join OS and request whatever. EA created the game they wanted, period. Not a NFL game. Not a sim game. Just the game they wanted. They created the game they wanted when basically everything the community asked for was put into the game this year? QB throwing styles, 9 man gang tackles, Half Time & Weekly Franchise show, overall presentation, etc, etc were all added this year and people have been asking for pretty much all of those for the last few years. If those things weren't in this year then we would have had people saying "Where the **** is the weekly Franchise show?! 2K5 had that and it was the best game ever!" Basically every problem in this game like the passing game, suction blocking, and all those things, have been problems from almost every past Madden and alot of people are blaming a dev team that had 1 year to create their game (probably less than that in actual dev time) for these problems. I'm not saying I want these things in the game and I'm just as sick of these problems as the next guy but at the same time we have to be realistic here and realize not every single problem is going to be fixed in 1 year. That would be like expecting the Lions to win the Super Bowl after the season they had last year. Looking at Madden 10 as basically a fresh start, I think EA did a good job of setting the foundation for a good, sim football game next year and a good job at giving us a pretty enjoyable game this year. But still, the fact is sales are down in a big way. And most of us on OS still aren't happy....for whatever reason (but mostly because of gameplay). So, does EA still think handtowels, and nine-man gangtackles are of high priority? So nine man gang tackles shouldn't of been high priority because I think they should have been. You just posted about things you see on Sunday and how they aren't in the game and your telling me you don't see more than 2 man tackles in a game? The hardcore gaming population is what made the industry what it is. Devs certainly want more money (who doesn't?), and to expand the user base. But, it won't last. Again, Madden sales are down. Ignore hardcore gamers, and watch videogames end up on the Wal-Mart isle, next to Transformers action figures. I don't think it will happen, though. What will happen, is another company will make a better football game than EA, again.

My responses are in bold (obviously).

[BlueNGold]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tyrant8RDFL

It's not about any game being perfect.

Well the guy that I was responding to sure made it sound that way. Not that we shouldn't expect a perfect game but I was just trying to show that guy that he was wrong in thinking that the devs for The Show and all those other games he mentioned didn't have the easiest time making their games like he seems to think they did.

[LAKE4742]

Quote: Originally Posted by BlueNGold

Looking at Madden 10 as basically a fresh start, I think EA did a good job of setting the foundation for a good, sim football game next year and a good job at giving us a pretty enjoyable game this year.

They did set a good foundation.....for future presentation. Good job. And most are still upset. Why? Because the gameplay, the GAMEPLAY, came second. Wouldn't it make sense to fix gameplay...first? I dunno. But, like I said.....sales are down. And we're getting patches......for gameplay.

I'm sure noone wanted presentation over the expense of better gameplay. It's just common sense, dude. EA needs alot of it.

Again, sales are down.

[BlueNGold]

Quote: Originally Posted by LAKE4742

They did set a good foundation.....for future presentation. Good job. And most are still upset. Why? Because the gameplay, the GAMEPLAY, came second. Wouldn't it make sense to fix gameplay...first? I dunno. But, like I said.....sales are down.

It does make sense to fix the gameplay first but its not like they didn't touch it at all. You can't go and play the past next gen Madden's and then play this one and say the gameplay isn't better. It isn't where it needs to be, imo, but I'm expecting it to be next year. If it isn't then I'll play APF or 2K5 or PS2 Madden's or whatever.

And most are going to be upset anyways because like I said, alot of people asked for something (presentation), they got it and now that they have it they just brush it off and complain about something else.

Quote: Originally Posted by LAKE4742

And we're getting patches......for gameplay.

Just like every other sports game out, Madden is no different to that.