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# 101
aholbert32 @ 08/25/09 06:15 PM
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# 103
RubenDouglas @ 08/25/09 06:18 PM
its 2010. youd think by now the court colors would be the least of their worries. ie it being a relatively simple straight forward process and theyd be masters of this process. But I guess life isnt that simple.
All I will say is, use the internet as a resource FRIEND..
flickr.com has some great shots of EVERY arena in the nba. GET THOSE COLORS right. I'd have everything perfect in 3 hours.
I dont want to puff out my chest on this but with college hoops, i had only one source, the same source as everyone else, and got the job done. companies have other numerous, inherently better sources, and it just doesnt come together.
I would go check out the nba2k9 PC MOD pages with correct court color changes that other people did to get it just right. maybe seeing someone else get it right for a pc game would motivate them.
All I will say is, use the internet as a resource FRIEND..
flickr.com has some great shots of EVERY arena in the nba. GET THOSE COLORS right. I'd have everything perfect in 3 hours.

I would go check out the nba2k9 PC MOD pages with correct court color changes that other people did to get it just right. maybe seeing someone else get it right for a pc game would motivate them.
i wish that it was real gameplay footage but the move is nice....thats kobe to a t.
# 105
aholbert32 @ 08/25/09 06:19 PM
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# 107
Stumbleweed @ 08/25/09 06:25 PM
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It's not simply a matter of Live having more to do so they have to be the ones out there for 4 months showing every facet of their game including actual unedited gameplay sequences... both games should be doing that because community interaction up through the release (and after) is something that makes the games better, period. Live shows all this stuff and people can nitpick and then Marcus hops in and makes the fix (VC's headband and piddly crap like that)... Meanwhile 2K has released hardly anything (most of which was centered on the admittedly 2K9.5 Draft Combine) and has basically left us to assume that their game will improve in the main areas that it needs to but hasn't really shown any evidence of that. And any sort of constructive comments/nitpicking that comes up when we actually do get gameplay footage will only be addressed in a patch (if at all), since the game is nearly done and there simply isn't enough time to make those fixes.
Basically, I hope that both companies get on the EA train in regards to releasing early information and showing a window into the development of the game. It's very interesting and rewarding for me as a buyer who is hesitant about being burned again (both games were underwhelming for 09) to see things like revamped player movement and momentum being shown in the developer's wireframe environment. It's legitimate and meaningful interaction, not simply marketing or "ooh, a pink name responded to my post, I feel so validated!" as some people like to paint it.
Anyway, carry on.
# 108
Shinyhubcaps @ 08/25/09 06:26 PM
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This is for real-life and the game, I mean.
Kobe really caught some tan this summer...
Anyway, nice trailer. I'm gonna buy it for PC - no questions asked... Even if it's all about Kobe this year...
Anyway, nice trailer. I'm gonna buy it for PC - no questions asked... Even if it's all about Kobe this year...
# 110
Shinyhubcaps @ 08/25/09 06:28 PM
Oh yeah, all side-topics aside, the trailer was pretty nice. It gets me excited to see more, as it should. Mission accomplished, well done.
Shoes look sick as well.
Shoes look sick as well.
# 111
aholbert32 @ 08/25/09 06:32 PM
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You wont know whether youve been burned again without playing the game and videos and screenshots do nothing for that. Especially videos in August. A demo can help you with that. I appreciate all that Marcus does on the Live forums but the stuff he fixes through interaction at this point doesnt matter to 98% of potential buyers. Most cant even tell you that there was an issue with Vince's headband.
The things that people care about and that keep you playing cant be shown through trailers. Live 09 and 2k9 had great trailers and as you said both were dissapointed. Seeing great trailers this year wont mean either game is good or bad. So I agree with Jmood that showing videos now is pretty much pointless.
# 113
Stumbleweed @ 08/25/09 06:40 PM
It's not pointless though. You can see clear improvements in the blog videos and pictures that the Live team has posted (especially the ones where they showed Live 09 and then Live 10). That's all I (and plenty of other skeptical buyers) want to see is a concerted effort to improve specific areas of the game... of course I can't judge the game until I get it in my hands, but it sure helps make me more confident about giving them my $60 on release day. Right now Live has that for sure and 2K's gotta show me something... normally that scenario was reversed in the past regardless of 2K's generally late (later than Live anyway) marketing and their penchant for trailers/teasers.
Trailers and screenshots do nothing for that (squashing concerns about gameplay issues). Actually seeing and reading about the actual mechanics that went into revamped player movement for example is meaningful in a way that official teasers and screens aren't though... and that's what we've been getting from EA. It's very appreciated by me because it's making my decision much easier than it would be if we were looking just at apples-to-apples trailers from both companies, as has been the case in the past... the extra window EA has given has made me much more confident in their product.
Okay, no more sidetrack. I just hate the argument jmood made there because it's taken at face value and I really don't think it's true.
Trailers and screenshots do nothing for that (squashing concerns about gameplay issues). Actually seeing and reading about the actual mechanics that went into revamped player movement for example is meaningful in a way that official teasers and screens aren't though... and that's what we've been getting from EA. It's very appreciated by me because it's making my decision much easier than it would be if we were looking just at apples-to-apples trailers from both companies, as has been the case in the past... the extra window EA has given has made me much more confident in their product.
Okay, no more sidetrack. I just hate the argument jmood made there because it's taken at face value and I really don't think it's true.
lol And the thread becomes a discussion on their marketing. LOL even with you guys knowing full well it's a teaser.
Every year. Same story. Same way it happens, too. Same tired argument with no real proof. You guys are just basketball fiends and you try and make it seem like it's something completely different. Y'all don't learn. That's bball love though.
LOL I'll catch you guys online on release day.
Every year. Same story. Same way it happens, too. Same tired argument with no real proof. You guys are just basketball fiends and you try and make it seem like it's something completely different. Y'all don't learn. That's bball love though.
LOL I'll catch you guys online on release day.

# 115
aholbert32 @ 08/25/09 06:45 PM
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How many years you been arguing this Aaron? 3?
Deja vu man I swear. Miss Warwick would be jealous of me right now.
Deja vu man I swear. Miss Warwick would be jealous of me right now.
# 117
Jamesmaster @ 08/25/09 06:48 PM
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# 118
Stumbleweed @ 08/25/09 06:48 PM
Actually last year I was one of those, "Wow, look at that trailer! I'm getting this day one!" people like many in here. A little skepticism has helped my decision-making processes.
So thanks 2K, for making a game that pissed me off and I quit playing seriously 3 months after release last year so that I'd look at 2K10 with a more critical eye instead of just accepting that the game will be an improvement....
So thanks 2K, for making a game that pissed me off and I quit playing seriously 3 months after release last year so that I'd look at 2K10 with a more critical eye instead of just accepting that the game will be an improvement....
The teaser was ok. Similar somehow to the one showing Garnett's turn around jumper last year.
The ones with Paul Pierce and D-Rose were the best IMO.
The ones with Paul Pierce and D-Rose were the best IMO.
# 120
aholbert32 @ 08/25/09 06:49 PM
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LOL..I think 4. I just cut and paste my old arguments, edit the year and then add new comments.
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